For the person ultimately chosen as Speaker, getting elected will be the easy part. The next Speaker is going to spend all his time herding the GOP cats.
McCarthy getting speaker?
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Not a fan of them either but am a fan of them doing what they can to pull the Republicans to a more restraintive posture
milosh said:Biden said he is not necessarily enjoying the fight in the GOP. "How do you think it looks to the rest of the world?"
— Bob Costantini (@CostantiniWHear) January 4, 2023
"This is not a good look." "And I hope they get their act together."
He may not be enjoying it, but the Twitter sure as sheet is.
You know Elon must be happy with all the action over there
Glad you're doing some research.
Because a president with mental deficiencies is a great look.Rockdoc said:milosh said:Biden said he is not necessarily enjoying the fight in the GOP. "How do you think it looks to the rest of the world?"
— Bob Costantini (@CostantiniWHear) January 4, 2023
"This is not a good look." "And I hope they get their act together."
Now that's funny. Poor old dementia ridden idiot.
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
That's not a compromise. That would've been an incentive plan to future pregnant "people."
That's was a poison pill and rightly rejected
That's was a poison pill and rightly rejected
I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
Agreed.96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
The reason Jordan doesn't want to be Speaker is because then he couldn't serve as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.The investigations he wants to do could otherwise be thwarted and he wants to run that show himself. He's very tenacious.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
Hence why Scalise is the compromiseaggiehawg said:The reason Jordan doesn't want to be Speaker is because then he couldn't serve as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.The investigations he wants to do could otherwise be thwarted and he wants to run that show himself. He's very tenacious.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
I understand that to be by tradition only. There is really nothing keeping Jordan from being chairman of that too.aggiehawg said:The reason Jordan doesn't want to be Speaker is because then he couldn't serve as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.The investigations he wants to do could otherwise be thwarted and he wants to run that show himself. He's very tenacious.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
Mccarthy trying to delay the 4th vote until tomorrow.
He doesn't have the votes. The democrats and probably some Republicans will probably be able to thwart adjourning for the day.
He doesn't have the votes. The democrats and probably some Republicans will probably be able to thwart adjourning for the day.
Pretty much where I have been for awhile.Quote:
Hence why Scalise is the compromise
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I feel like Billy Beane in Moneyball
Democrats just held a sham impeachment, sham j6 hearings, you just found out that the FBI colluded with big Tech to influence the election for Democrats...
And the scouts are all sitting around talking about how this McCarthy guy is a real moderate that can work with Democrats and isn't controversial.
" how can you fix the problem if you don't even know what the problem is?"
He doesn't want the job. He gets many of the leadership benefits, but doesn't get hit with he compromised with Schumer on XYZ Bill, so he's a sellout.
Merely not having the votes doesn't seem to be enough of a reason to delay the vote. There have been 100+ votres in the past. Could it be that momentum is building behind somebody else?Agthatbuilds said:
Mccarthy trying to delay the 4th vote until tomorrow.
He doesn't have the votes. The democrats and probably some Republicans will probably be able to thwart adjourning for the day.
Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
Most tone-deaf administration ever.Daddy-O5 said:milosh said:Biden said he is not necessarily enjoying the fight in the GOP. "How do you think it looks to the rest of the world?"
— Bob Costantini (@CostantiniWHear) January 4, 2023
"This is not a good look." "And I hope they get their act together."
Biden accusing anyone else of creating a bad look for the country.
What a lazy take.twk said:Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
I big part of the Dem singularity is due to one reason, and its the obvious one posted previously by another poster. Its money.
Any lawyer, business person and most intelligence minded folks will tell you the quickest, simplest way to get people to drop their grievances, join a cause, act in unison is.... you guessed it (hopefully)... its money.
Nancy had some disgruntled chickens who pecked about not voting for her. Then they quickly joined in lockstep to elect that crooked ol bag as Speaker again. Its not a coveted committee seat, chair and its not for a nicer officer, its for the same reason that most all of those who serve in public office these days - its all about the cheddar.,
Rs could play this game the same way and mostly do. But again as yet another poster noted, Rs tend to have a few amongst them with actual principles and believe in actually representing their constituents. Since Ds do not have to clear these sorts of hurdles as the have no morals, nor conscience, nor decency, nor soul then once their coffer has some coin thrown in it, they will vote as directed.
Any lawyer, business person and most intelligence minded folks will tell you the quickest, simplest way to get people to drop their grievances, join a cause, act in unison is.... you guessed it (hopefully)... its money.
Nancy had some disgruntled chickens who pecked about not voting for her. Then they quickly joined in lockstep to elect that crooked ol bag as Speaker again. Its not a coveted committee seat, chair and its not for a nicer officer, its for the same reason that most all of those who serve in public office these days - its all about the cheddar.,
Rs could play this game the same way and mostly do. But again as yet another poster noted, Rs tend to have a few amongst them with actual principles and believe in actually representing their constituents. Since Ds do not have to clear these sorts of hurdles as the have no morals, nor conscience, nor decency, nor soul then once their coffer has some coin thrown in it, they will vote as directed.
You voted for this Chinese puppet.milosh said:Biden said he is not necessarily enjoying the fight in the GOP. "How do you think it looks to the rest of the world?"
— Bob Costantini (@CostantiniWHear) January 4, 2023
"This is not a good look." "And I hope they get their act together."
The "sore loser" argument is the stupid talking point here. Of those 19 only 1 has put himself in for it. The others simply want somebody more conservative to be speaker.twk said:Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
Let me guess, you are all talk on small government? Or are you perfectly fine with bigger government?
McCarthy didn't do his job. The caucus doesn't speak for individual reps.twk said:Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
I'm tired of this "next in line" bull**** that has given us the likes of W, McCain, and Romney. McCarthy hasn't earned **** and if he couldn'tt whip the votes for his own speakership prior to the vote, how do you expect him to lead.
Lets not forget he has THREATENED those who have opposed him with stripping them of their committee assignments. There is no reason for the 20 to switch their votes. McCarthy has jockeyed for this job for years and frankly that is frightening to some because you realize that it is for power and ego at that point.
aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
Reagan didn't want to be POTUS? I haven't heard this before.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
I'm not a virtue signalling moron. That's who's pushing this.aTmAg said:The "sore loser" argument is the stupid talking point here. Of those 19 only 1 has put himself in for it. The others simply want somebody more conservative to be speaker.twk said:Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
Let me guess, you are all talk on small government? Or are you perfectly fine with bigger government?
I'd be fine with Jordan or Scalise, or any number of other folks, but this should have been debated and decided in the caucus. Gaetz et al couldn't find anyone who appealed to the broader caucus who would run, ergo, they lost. Now, they are trying to get around that by withholding their vote on the floor and holding the whole House hostage until they get their way. That's not leadership.
They should lose their committee assignments. That's part of the deal when you join a caucus -- the caucus gets you the committee assignment, but it also selects the leadership as part of a caucus vote. These guys want their committee assignments, but don't want to support the caucus vote for leadership. It's rank hypocrisy.Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy didn't do his job. The caucus doesn't speak for individual reps.twk said:Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
I'm tired of this "next in line" bull**** that has given us the likes of W, McCain, and Romney. McCarthy hasn't earned **** and if he couldn'tt whip the votes for his own speakership prior to the vote, how do you expect him to lead.
Lets not forget he has THREATENED those who have opposed him with stripping them of their committee assignments. There is no reason for the 20 to switch their votes. McCarthy has jockeyed for this job for years and frankly that is frightening to some because you realize that it is for power and ego at that point.
They tried to, but McCarthy brushed them off!! It has been said numerous times that McCarthy ignored these people because he thought the GOP had the midterms locked in a landslide. McCarthy assumed he could use the incoming GOP members to push him over. It isn't the case. He played his hand wrong.twk said:I'm not a virtue signalling moron. That's who's pushing this.aTmAg said:The "sore loser" argument is the stupid talking point here. Of those 19 only 1 has put himself in for it. The others simply want somebody more conservative to be speaker.twk said:Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
Let me guess, you are all talk on small government? Or are you perfectly fine with bigger government?
I'd be fine with Jordan or Scalise, or any number of other folks, but this should have been debated and decided in the caucus. Gaetz et al couldn't find anyone who appealed to the broader caucus who would run, ergo, they lost. Now, they are trying to get around that by withholding their vote on the floor and holding the whole House hostage until they get their way. That's not leadership.
That's not leadership. That is arrogance.
Same bait and switch the Dems used on Regan. Whatever.Quote:
Nancy Freaking Pelosi offered Trump 25 billion to build his wall for a path to citizenship of the so called dreamers. Not all illegal aliens, but a subset of them. He was ready to accept it and then Ann Coulter got pissed and went on Tucker and the deal was killed. Then in a very Obamaesque fashion Trump's lawyers squinted their eyes and said he didn't need Congress to spend money and tried to divert less than 1/10th of the 25 billion number to pay for the wall. Which he never got to spend due to litigation.
So Pelosi was set to codify into law, not a dubious interpretation, but a law with funds appropriated the building of a wall on the southern border and we turned it down. Does that sound smart? Of course not, it was dumb and the "base" cheered it on. That's why we're a dumb people and get the government we deserve.
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Money and power. Dems have no problem growing the govt as much as possible, so it's easier for them to follow along like sheep. They don't have any factions in their party that want to pull back.fka ftc said:
I big part of the Dem singularity is due to one reason, and its the obvious one posted previously by another poster. Its money.
Republicans, on the other hand, have several members that aren't so quick to spend money on everything and grow the government. Those disagreements keep them from always following the herd. That's how healthy govt should work, but only one side of the aisle chooses to have any shred of opposition.
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McCarthy is losing it.
— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) January 4, 2023
He texted one of my colleagues who didn’t vote for him:
“I am ready to fund an endless war”
I’m assuming this is in *addition* to Ukraine.
Oh yeah...and lets not forget that McCarthy has lied to members of his own caucus and reneged numerous times. But that is besides the point too because "the caucus chose him"
Zarathustra said:McCarthy is losing it.
— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) January 4, 2023
He texted one of my colleagues who didn’t vote for him:
“I am ready to fund an endless war”
I’m assuming this is in *addition* to Ukraine.
Doesn't sound like they are unifying
I'm sure McCarthy has made his share of dumb moves, but, if that's the basis for wanting someone else as speaker, the time to beat him was in the caucus vote. That's how the house is organized. Going around the caucus to try to sabotage the elected leadership is the wrong way to handle objections to the leadership.Irish 2.0 said:They tried to, but McCarthy brushed them off!! It has been said numerous times that McCarthy ignored these people because he thought the GOP had the midterms locked in a landslide. McCarthy assumed he could use the incoming GOP members to push him over. It isn't the case. He played his hand wrong.twk said:I'm not a virtue signalling moron. That's who's pushing this.aTmAg said:The "sore loser" argument is the stupid talking point here. Of those 19 only 1 has put himself in for it. The others simply want somebody more conservative to be speaker.twk said:Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
Let me guess, you are all talk on small government? Or are you perfectly fine with bigger government?
I'd be fine with Jordan or Scalise, or any number of other folks, but this should have been debated and decided in the caucus. Gaetz et al couldn't find anyone who appealed to the broader caucus who would run, ergo, they lost. Now, they are trying to get around that by withholding their vote on the floor and holding the whole House hostage until they get their way. That's not leadership.
That's not leadership. That is arrogance.
That's the thing; he isn't the elected leadership for the role of Speaker and he won't be.twk said:I'm sure McCarthy has made his share of dumb moves, but, if that's the basis for wanting someone else as speaker, the time to beat him was in the caucus vote. That's how the house is organized. Going around the caucus to try to sabotage the elected leadership is the wrong way to handle objections to the leadership.Irish 2.0 said:They tried to, but McCarthy brushed them off!! It has been said numerous times that McCarthy ignored these people because he thought the GOP had the midterms locked in a landslide. McCarthy assumed he could use the incoming GOP members to push him over. It isn't the case. He played his hand wrong.twk said:I'm not a virtue signalling moron. That's who's pushing this.aTmAg said:The "sore loser" argument is the stupid talking point here. Of those 19 only 1 has put himself in for it. The others simply want somebody more conservative to be speaker.twk said:Paul Ryan didn't want to be speaker. How did that turn out?96ags said:I have found that often times, the best person for a leadership role is the one that doesn't want the job. They tend to not be as self-serving.aTmAg said:
Reagan didn't want to be president either. Yet he ran and won and was the best president in our lifetimes. Stop with that idiotic talking point.
This is just another stupid talking point to justify taking hostages. If the caucus gives in this time, they will never be able to unite on anything else. Everyone had their chance to run for speaker in the caucus and McCarthy won. Trying to hold the vote hostage is must more sore loser behavior.
Let me guess, you are all talk on small government? Or are you perfectly fine with bigger government?
I'd be fine with Jordan or Scalise, or any number of other folks, but this should have been debated and decided in the caucus. Gaetz et al couldn't find anyone who appealed to the broader caucus who would run, ergo, they lost. Now, they are trying to get around that by withholding their vote on the floor and holding the whole House hostage until they get their way. That's not leadership.
That's not leadership. That is arrogance.
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