Did you really just compare this situation to the American Revolution ?? Stretch much ?1872walker said:torrid said:Depends upon if you agree with the 20 or so people creating the gridlock. I think there may be a large segment of the population with moderate views who are concerned about the impact of the gridlock.aTmAg said:If you are a fan of freedom, you should be thankful that a few principled and liberty-minded individuals are willing to go against the flow and gridlock the system to push for freedom.torrid said:
Politics have degraded to the point where people think having enough votes to create gridlock is the same thing as a mandate.
By standing on principle they are creating gridlock? I'm curious about your opinion of the American Revolution, abolition and a host of other issues throughout history.
McCarthy getting speaker?
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Good. Because that's what congress SHOULD be doing.
CoppellAg93 said:Did you really just compare this situation to the American Revolution ?? Stretch much ?1872walker said:torrid said:Depends upon if you agree with the 20 or so people creating the gridlock. I think there may be a large segment of the population with moderate views who are concerned about the impact of the gridlock.aTmAg said:If you are a fan of freedom, you should be thankful that a few principled and liberty-minded individuals are willing to go against the flow and gridlock the system to push for freedom.torrid said:
Politics have degraded to the point where people think having enough votes to create gridlock is the same thing as a mandate.
By standing on principle they are creating gridlock? I'm curious about your opinion of the American Revolution, abolition and a host of other issues throughout history.
I'm saying that simply "doing as you're told" is often not the right approach. Are there not times when doing the right thing at your own peril or expense is the correct path?
Gridlock? Ridiculous pearl clutching. What's not getting done right now?
So some committee assignments and briefings aren't happening for a few days. No legislation is being passed from a chamber that has no shot of passing anything that would become law. Some investigations that go nowhere will be delayed a week or so from starting.
Sure hope the republic survives this terrible week of gridlock.
So some committee assignments and briefings aren't happening for a few days. No legislation is being passed from a chamber that has no shot of passing anything that would become law. Some investigations that go nowhere will be delayed a week or so from starting.
Sure hope the republic survives this terrible week of gridlock.
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
I understand what the 20 are trying to do - and I think they've made their point clear to everyone. Now, let's get them all in the room and get someone voted in - whoever it is. The vast majority want McCarthy to be speaker - start with that and make a change if he doesn't do the job.1872walker said:CoppellAg93 said:Did you really just compare this situation to the American Revolution ?? Stretch much ?1872walker said:torrid said:Depends upon if you agree with the 20 or so people creating the gridlock. I think there may be a large segment of the population with moderate views who are concerned about the impact of the gridlock.aTmAg said:If you are a fan of freedom, you should be thankful that a few principled and liberty-minded individuals are willing to go against the flow and gridlock the system to push for freedom.torrid said:
Politics have degraded to the point where people think having enough votes to create gridlock is the same thing as a mandate.
By standing on principle they are creating gridlock? I'm curious about your opinion of the American Revolution, abolition and a host of other issues throughout history.
I'm saying that simply "doing as you're told" is often not the right approach. Are there not times when doing the right thing at your own peril or expense is the correct path?
McCarthy went wrong!! That is a big issue too! That arrogant SOB promised 240+ House seats!! They're at 222. The worst polling POTUS ever and the GOP has the worst midterm # improvement since JFK. You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
That 'Power Play' fails. The Freedom Caucus would counter by voting present during the vote to replace the Democrat Speaker until such time as McCarthy agrees to step aside.eric76 said:
How about this for a way around it?
1) The non-Freedom Caucus Republicans vote "PRESENT" in the next vote.
2) The Democrat speaker's candidate wins.
3) The Republicans than vote to replace the Democrat Speaker with McCarthy
4) The dissenting 20 then have a choice of supporting McCarthy or having a Democrat speaker.
This would be highly unlikely to happen, but it would make for an interesting power play.
Does anyone know why Kevin McCarthy even wants to be speaker? I feel like if he somehow manages to get this job he's going to curse it every day until he can finally stop.
Moderates, by nature, don't care enough about politics to have strong opinion on any of this. I bet 90% of the football board has no idea who McCarthy is.torrid said:Depends upon if you agree with the 20 or so people creating the gridlock. I think there may be a large segment of the population with moderate views who are concerned about the impact of the gridlock.aTmAg said:If you are a fan of freedom, you should be thankful that a few principled and liberty-minded individuals are willing to go against the flow and gridlock the system to push for freedom.torrid said:
Politics have degraded to the point where people think having enough votes to create gridlock is the same thing as a mandate.
Actual Talking Thermos said:
Does anyone know why Kevin McCarthy even wants to be speaker? I feel like if he somehow manages to get this job he's going to curse it every day until he can finally stop.
Because he had to hand the gavel to Pelosi. He wants it to be handed back. Period.
Because he is a megalomaniac and narcissist...like TrumpActual Talking Thermos said:
Does anyone know why Kevin McCarthy even wants to be speaker? I feel like if he somehow manages to get this job he's going to curse it every day until he can finally stop.
Less Than Half of GOP Voters Want McCarthy as House SpeakerQuote:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 35% of Likely U.S. Voters believe Republicans should choose Kevin McCarthy to be the next Speaker of the House, while 41% say the GOP should not elect McCarthy as the next Speaker.
CoppellAg93 said:I understand what the 20 are trying to do - and I think they've made their point clear to everyone. Now, let's get them all in the room and get someone voted in - whoever it is. The vast majority want McCarthy to be speaker - start with that and make a change if he doesn't do the job.1872walker said:CoppellAg93 said:Did you really just compare this situation to the American Revolution ?? Stretch much ?1872walker said:torrid said:Depends upon if you agree with the 20 or so people creating the gridlock. I think there may be a large segment of the population with moderate views who are concerned about the impact of the gridlock.aTmAg said:If you are a fan of freedom, you should be thankful that a few principled and liberty-minded individuals are willing to go against the flow and gridlock the system to push for freedom.torrid said:
Politics have degraded to the point where people think having enough votes to create gridlock is the same thing as a mandate.
By standing on principle they are creating gridlock? I'm curious about your opinion of the American Revolution, abolition and a host of other issues throughout history.
I'm saying that simply "doing as you're told" is often not the right approach. Are there not times when doing the right thing at your own peril or expense is the correct path?
McCarthy has failed 7 votes. If he cannot muster sufficient support to win the vote, perhaps the majority should explore other options.
But no, let's just yell "gridlock!" "Terrorists!" and line up another vote expecting a different outcome.
Sounds like the constituents have spoken!DD88 said:Less Than Half of GOP Voters Want McCarthy as House SpeakerQuote:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 35% of Likely U.S. Voters believe Republicans should choose Kevin McCarthy to be the next Speaker of the House, while 41% say the GOP should not elect McCarthy as the next Speaker.
If you think a bunch of GOP voters decided to vote for Biden candidates, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
"You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?"
Perhaps it does, but when it comes to voters making choices, how many knuckleheads, err………. educated voters, out there know who he is?
It was just a bad showing for a lot of reasons and I really worry about the GOP. The progressive side of the Dem's is growing in influence, and it really pisses me off to see the GOP pissing on each other when the Dem's are united.
I hope it all works out, but it just makes me wonder.
Perhaps it does, but when it comes to voters making choices, how many knuckleheads, err………. educated voters, out there know who he is?
It was just a bad showing for a lot of reasons and I really worry about the GOP. The progressive side of the Dem's is growing in influence, and it really pisses me off to see the GOP pissing on each other when the Dem's are united.
I hope it all works out, but it just makes me wonder.
aggiedent said:
"You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?"
Perhaps it does, but when it comes to voters making choices, how many knuckleheads, err………. educated voters, out there know who he is?
It was just a bad showing for a lot of reasons and I really worry about the GOP. The progressive side of the Dem's is growing in influence, and it really pisses me off to see the GOP pissing on each other when the Dem's are united.
I hope it all works out, but it just makes me wonder.
It's indicative of a system that is broken and needs change. This is a start.
All the more reason to elect a leader that is capable of uniting the caucus, not one that is flatly unacceptable to 10% of the caucus.aggiedent said:
"You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?"
Perhaps it does, but when it comes to voters making choices, how many knuckleheads, err………. educated voters, out there know who he is?
It was just a bad showing for a lot of reasons and I really worry about the GOP. The progressive side of the Dem's is growing in influence, and it really pisses me off to see the GOP pissing on each other when the Dem's are united.
I hope it all works out, but it just makes me wonder.
His point was that if the GOP starts acting conservative they will get rewarded with more votes.aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
Just because the D politicians are ruining the country does not mean the GOP should get rewarded for being in the minority. The GOP did nothing to earn votes, thus here we are where they did not gain as much as they should nor should they be entitled to the 20 or so holdouts votes for SOTH.
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For one thing, republican congressional leadership did less than nothing to articulate a message. And worse than that, the ****stain Mitch McConnell actually worked against some republican candidates.Quote:
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
The moderates in control believe they own the party and that the people work for them. **** that and **** them!
Won't anybody think of the kids? By all means, let's hurry and install the swamp creature immediately!LMCane said:
Rep. Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin and other House Republicans who work on military and intelligence matters said the protracted speaker's race is starting to impact national security planning since some security clearances are contingent on lawmakers being sworn in.
During a news conference Wednesday, Gallagher and other members of the House Republican caucus who are military veterans and firmly in McCarthy's camp in his bid for speaker said they would usually use the sensitive compartmented information facility, or SCIF, to receive daily briefs about threats around the world but no longer have access. Gallagher also said the drawn-out election for speaker has prevented him from meeting with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs in the facility.
"I'm informed by House Security that, technically, I don't have a clearance," Gallagher said. "I'm a member of the Intel Committee, I'm on the Armed Services Committee, and I can't meet in the SCIF to conduct essential business."
Rep.-elect Derrick Van Orden said: "We're trying to make sure that we can do the people's will, and a minority of our party has decided that they want to continue with this obstructionism. And it's actually becoming detrimental to our nation."
Spoken like a true swamp creature.
Kevin McCarthy Caves
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-caves-n683774
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-caves-n683774
captkirk said:
Kevin McCarthy Caves
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-caves-n683774
Good
Quote:
A one-member "motion to vacate": The GOP leader appears to have finally acquiesced to a demand to lower the threshold needed to force a vote ousting a speaker to just one member. While McCarthy originally indicated that restoring the one-member "motion to vacate" was a red line, his allies now argue that there's not a huge practical difference between this and his previous offer of requiring five members to trigger the vote.
Rules Committee seats for the Freedom Caucus: McCarthy is prepared to give the House Freedom Caucus two seats on the powerful House Rules Committee, which oversees the amendment process for the floor. (Some conservatives are still holding out for four seats on the panel.) There are also talks about giving a third seat to a conservative close to the Freedom Caucus but not in it someone like Reps. THOMAS MASSIE (R-Ky.). Who will pick those members? We're told there is ongoing haggling. Typically, it's the speaker's prerogative, but conservatives want to choose their own members for these jobs.
A vote on term limits: This is a key demand of Rep. RALPH NORMAN (R-S.C.), who has proposed a constitutional amendment limiting lawmakers to three terms in the House.
Major changes to the appropriations process: Fears of another trillion-plus-dollar omnibus spending bill have been a major driver of the conservative backlash to McCarthy. The brewing deal includes a promise for standalone votes on each of the 12 yearly appropriations bills, which would be considered under what is known as an "open rule," allowing floor amendments to be offered by any lawmaker. Conservatives also won a concession to carve out any earmarks included in those packages for separate votes, though it's unclear if they'd be voted on as one package or separately.
From what I've seen, without McCarthy's involvement, the Dems would have gained seats in the House just like they did in the Senate. So what did the 20 oppositionists do to help elect Republicans - other than complain?Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy went wrong!! That is a big issue too! That arrogant SOB promised 240+ House seats!! They're at 222. The worst polling POTUS ever and the GOP has the worst midterm # improvement since JFK. You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
I hope it's true, but I have little faith that the ******* won't renege and still stick it to Americans (conservatives in particular).1872walker said:captkirk said:
Kevin McCarthy Caves
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-caves-n683774
Good
You sure? McConnell helped dems in some senate races. That's why they gained seats, at least in part.jrdaustin said:From what I've seen, without McCarthy's involvement, the Dems would have gained seats in the House just like they did in the Senate. So what did the 20 oppositionists do to help elect Republicans - other than complain?Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy went wrong!! That is a big issue too! That arrogant SOB promised 240+ House seats!! They're at 222. The worst polling POTUS ever and the GOP has the worst midterm # improvement since JFK. You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well%85%85%85, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
What was McConnell's message? What was his vision? What was he telling Americans he would do for the country if republicans took back the Senate? What was McCarthy's message?
They did nothing to win seats. They're the establishment. All they want is their seats at the table. Nothing more.
Ellis Wyatt said:I hope it's true, but I have little faith that the ******* won't renege and still stick it to Americans (conservatives in particular).1872walker said:captkirk said:
Kevin McCarthy Caves
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-caves-n683774
Good
Hence the one-member motion to remove the speaker. If he acts like a weasel, we are right back to where we are now.
This is government in action.
McCarthy's involvement stymied the Republicans from gaining more seats. Gaining 10 when you promised 28+ isn't a win or a "Thank God McCarthy was there" moment. It is an indictment of his ineffectiveness when you have the worst polling president in history and you had to claw to barely gain the majority. So McCarthy and Co. messaging was so bad that the Dems almost kept the house is what you just posted.jrdaustin said:From what I've seen, without McCarthy's involvement, the Dems would have gained seats in the House just like they did in the Senate. So what did the 20 oppositionists do to help elect Republicans - other than complain?Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy went wrong!! That is a big issue too! That arrogant SOB promised 240+ House seats!! They're at 222. The worst polling POTUS ever and the GOP has the worst midterm # improvement since JFK. You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
aTmAg said:If you think a bunch of GOP voters decided to vote for Biden candidates, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
Alternative hypothesis, there are not as many people in Galts Glutch waiting for the Hero of Ages, Prince that Was Promised True Conservative Platform to finally come to the polls as you think there are.
Well, the only path forward I see now is to appoint me Speaker of the House
Trust me - I can whip the GOP into shape and develop a shared, conservative vision for our nation. And the sound bites for the news will be epic.
Trust me - I can whip the GOP into shape and develop a shared, conservative vision for our nation. And the sound bites for the news will be epic.
captkirk said:
Kevin McCarthy Caves
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-caves-n683774
The Republican establishment doing what it's good at.
I have a small Bluetooth speaker lying around. Think I'll ship it to McCarthy's office as a consolation prize.
Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy's involvement stymied the Republicans from gaining more seats. Gaining 10 when you promised 28+ isn't a win or a "Thank God McCarthy was there" moment. It is an indictment of his ineffectiveness when you have the worst polling president in history and you had to claw to barely gain the majority. So McCarthy and Co. messaging was so bad that the Dems almost kept the house is what you just posted.jrdaustin said:From what I've seen, without McCarthy's involvement, the Dems would have gained seats in the House just like they did in the Senate. So what did the 20 oppositionists do to help elect Republicans - other than complain?Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy went wrong!! That is a big issue too! That arrogant SOB promised 240+ House seats!! They're at 222. The worst polling POTUS ever and the GOP has the worst midterm # improvement since JFK. You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
Or, this is a thankless job of herding unruly cats who have their own agenda, many of whom had an electoral message of the 2020 election was stolen, that didn't pass muster with concerned moderates this board hates. Find a solution to that problem and the Midterms would have been a blowout.
What was McCarthy's message? I am a political junkie and I certainly don't recall hearing it.Admiral Adama said:
Or, this is a thankless job of herding unruly cats who have their own agenda, many of whom had an electoral message of the 2020 election was stolen, that didn't pass muster with concerned moderates this board hates. Find a solution to that problem and the Midterms would have been a blowout.
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