Daddy has always got to have a little walking around money to hand out to the kids, right?ScottBowen said:Can someone explain how the people who want to print trillions of dollars and spend it on endless growth in government are the "adults in the room"?aTmAg said:You mean the for the adults in the room?Cyprian said:DenverAg91 said:
That's my issue with this: what is the strategy here?
Grandstanding for their voting base
McCarthy getting speaker?
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This will be an unpopular opinion I am sure.
This small group of holdouts is the modern day equivalent of the the Radical Abolitionist Republicans of the 1850s. A small minority, hated by both the mainline Republicans and Democrats, and ultimately a failed group. But who time will tell were correct in their beliefs.
This small group of holdouts is the modern day equivalent of the the Radical Abolitionist Republicans of the 1850s. A small minority, hated by both the mainline Republicans and Democrats, and ultimately a failed group. But who time will tell were correct in their beliefs.
What we are watching in the House will repeat itself in 2024 with Trump. He is running, I dont see him dropping out and endorsing anyone, do you?Stupe said:DeSantis isn't going to be the one splitting the party if Trump doesn't bow out.PA24 said:I voted for Trump and this clown show aint nothing compared to the one DeSantis is going to start if he runs and splits the party.redcrayon said:You voted for Biden. Sit down.GeorgiAg said:
LIve look at GOP House
I don't think it matters who runs in the Republican party, the democrats have mastered harvesting and know exactly where and how many it will take to win. Just my opinion. Republican party is a clown show.
Selecting the Speaker should be like electing the Pope. The last person who you should vote for is the one who obviously wants it.
I see virtually no reason for McCarthy to do that, other than that when he died it would say "Speaker of the House" on his tombstone. He would be deposed within months, if not weeks (see Truss, Liz) by a majority of his own party.Zarathustra said:
According to reports, McCarthy wanted to try to deal with Democrats to vote absence to lower the threshold.
Because why? Because there is no way any Democrats are going to say, "Gee, sure, nice Mr. Republican Man. We'll be happy to help you become House Speaker in exchange for nothing." They're all laughing at this clownshow, and unless McCarthy gives up unprecedented concessions to the minority party, none of them will help him.
There is also no chance of one of the Freedom Caucus rebels becoming speaker.
I'm not sure what the end game here is, but the result will be Gaetz and company extracting more procedural concessions from one of the leaders in exchange for their votes. Whether it's McCarthy or not really depends on how many of them are really opposed to him on a personal level rather than just on policy.
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Demosthenes81 said:
This will be an unpopular opinion I am sure.
This small group of holdouts is the modern day equivalent of the the Radical Abolitionist Republicans of the 1850s. A small minority, hated by both the mainline Republicans and Democrats, and ultimately a failed group. But who time will tell were correct in their beliefs.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the country abolish slavery just a few years later?
amercer said:
You guys get so mad at Mitch, but this is the exact sort of set yourself on fire bull**** that he keeps from happening on his side.
I don't see a problem with what's happening.
SociallyConditionedAg said:Demosthenes81 said:
This will be an unpopular opinion I am sure.
This small group of holdouts is the modern day equivalent of the the Radical Abolitionist Republicans of the 1850s. A small minority, hated by both the mainline Republicans and Democrats, and ultimately a failed group. But who time will tell were correct in their beliefs.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the country abolish slavery just a few years later?
True but as an organized group they were finished by the 1870s. They were correct in their beliefs but reviled for being right.
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YokelRidesAgain said:I see virtually no reason for McCarthy to do that, other than that when he died it would say "Speaker of the House" on his tombstone. He would be deposed within months, if not weeks (see Truss, Liz) by a majority of his own party.Zarathustra said:
According to reports, McCarthy wanted to try to deal with Democrats to vote absence to lower the threshold.
Because why? Because there is no way any Democrats are going to say, "Gee, sure, nice Mr. Republican Man. We'll be happy to help you become House Speaker in exchange for nothing." They're all laughing at this clownshow, and unless McCarthy gives up unprecedented concessions to the minority party, none of them will help him.
There is also no chance of one of the Freedom Caucus rebels becoming speaker.
I'm not sure what the end game here is, but the result will be Gaetz and company extracting more procedural concessions from one of the leaders in exchange for their votes. Whether it's McCarthy or not really depends on how many of them are really opposed to him on a personal level rather than just on policy.
Why would you assume Democrats would get nothing in return from Mccarthy?
Under normal circumstances, the GOPe would dictate McCarthy as SOH. Now, with more than enough Repubs needed to keep him from being elected SOH holding fast to their opposition, we'll see what happens. I could be wrong, but I sense the dissidents' resolve will resist being intimidated or "bought off."
Moreover, Jordan could have refused to be nominated.
Moreover, Jordan could have refused to be nominated.
What I'm saying is that I can't see them making a deal with him that wouldn't lead him to be rejected by a majority of his caucus. I don't see any Democrat lifting a finger to help him for a subscription to the Jelly of the Month Club.Zarathustra said:
Why would you assume Democrats would get nothing in return from Mccarthy?
If McCarthy and a few of his cronies agreed to, say, vote against any Congressional investigation of Hunter Biden in exchange for some Democrat votes, sure, they might play ball, but it would be a Pyrrhic victory. His position among Republicans would be untenable.
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We're a stupid people led by stupid politicians. We get the government we deserve and neither Kevin McCarthy or the Gaetz or Boebert's of the party are any type of solution.
I don't necessarily disagree. But I'm curious as to what you think the answer is?
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Politics and personalities aside, this is one of the most impressive short speeches you will ever hear. https://t.co/kB8Ze1vA9L
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 3, 2023
Pretty sure their demand is that he not be the Speaker.J. Walter Weatherman said:Irish 2.0 said:Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.45-70Ag said:aTmAg said:Like hell they are. If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.45-70Ag said:
These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.
They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician
What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?
He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.
I agree with you. However, it doesn't matter in my experience. I talk politics with most of my leftist friends. They aren't changing their tune.Tea Party said:
Until people start openly discussing politics with family, friends, co-workers, and the general public, the low information voters will keep voting for the same establishment politicians until they are hurting so bad it is near impossible to correct.
The people on this forum are likely more informed than 99% of the general voting public yet I would venture the vast majority here are too scared to talk politics with peers out of fear of losing a friend, family member, or their job, etc. But to continue down the same path by avoiding conversation means you are allowing the ignorant to choose politicians that are actively taking more from you than had you simply had those conversations yourself....
Put the effort in and you will not have to worry about how much damage McCarthy is going to cause or how little he is going to prevent.
The problem is that we live in two different realities and can no longer agree on a common set of facts. Once that happens then the experiment is over.
Demosthenes81 said:SociallyConditionedAg said:Demosthenes81 said:
This will be an unpopular opinion I am sure.
This small group of holdouts is the modern day equivalent of the the Radical Abolitionist Republicans of the 1850s. A small minority, hated by both the mainline Republicans and Democrats, and ultimately a failed group. But who time will tell were correct in their beliefs.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the country abolish slavery just a few years later?
True but as an organized group they were finished by the 1870s. They were correct in their beliefs but reviled for being right.
So a few years after they formed, slavery was abolished, and shortly after it was no longer an issue, they were finished? Sounds like a horrible failure.
amercer said:
You guys get so mad at Mitch, but this is the exact sort of set yourself on fire bull**** that he keeps from happening on his side.
Mitch McConnell is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
Same goes for McCarthy. Good on some of these congressmen for trying to squeeze for some favors before they acquiesce and bend all of us over for some more fun.
Gaetz must not have much of a memory. Paul Ryan definitely didn't want the job, and he ultimately was an awful Speaker.Zarathustra said:Politics and personalities aside, this is one of the most impressive short speeches you will ever hear. https://t.co/kB8Ze1vA9L
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 3, 2023
YouBet said:I agree with you. However, it doesn't matter in my experience. I talk politics with most of my leftist friends. They aren't changing their tune.Tea Party said:
Until people start openly discussing politics with family, friends, co-workers, and the general public, the low information voters will keep voting for the same establishment politicians until they are hurting so bad it is near impossible to correct.
The people on this forum are likely more informed than 99% of the general voting public yet I would venture the vast majority here are too scared to talk politics with peers out of fear of losing a friend, family member, or their job, etc. But to continue down the same path by avoiding conversation means you are allowing the ignorant to choose politicians that are actively taking more from you than had you simply had those conversations yourself....
Put the effort in and you will not have to worry about how much damage McCarthy is going to cause or how little he is going to prevent.
The problem is that we live in two different realities and can no longer agree on a common set of facts. Once that happens then the experiment is over.
Agreed to an extent that talking politics with a devout leftist could be futile, but I would venture that they are a smaller minority.
I am mainly referring to talking to:
* "conservatives" that vote for RINOs rather than abstaining or third party.
* independents or left/center liberals
Leftists do not give us AOC nor do conservatives give us McCarthy types (both left of their platform and swamp). It's the squishy middle that just follows the crowd which gives us our leaders and unfortunately the media and our leaders are steering the squishy middle to the left.
Edit to add, that I also agree the experiment is over and peaceful divorce is the best option. Until then, talking to peers seems the next least resistant path that people can try before it all goes tits up.
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Ryan is what happens when you settle for someone besides a Jim Jordan. He's more analogous to McCarthy.
Point96AgGrad said:
Ryan is what happens when you settle for someone besides a Jim Jordan. He's more analogous to McCarthy.
Your head.
I'm simply pointing out the flaw in the Gaetz argument.
I got your point. I'm just making the point you should have.
Dan fails to see the hypocrisy of believing his opinion matters more than anyone else's.
Rep. Crenshaw on Republicans who oppose McCarthy as Speaker: "If you're a narcissist & you believe that your opinion is so much more important than everyone else's […] you'll threaten to tear down the team for the benefit of the Democrats."pic.twitter.com/PVfX6MOt8j
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) January 4, 2023
redcrayon said:This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.J. Walter Weatherman said:Irish 2.0 said:Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.J. Walter Weatherman said:Irish 2.0 said:Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.45-70Ag said:aTmAg said:Like hell they are. If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.45-70Ag said:
These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.
They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician
What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?
He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.
Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.
Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer.
Demosthenes81 said:
This will be an unpopular opinion I am sure.
This small group of holdouts is the modern day equivalent of the the Radical Abolitionist Republicans of the 1850s. A small minority, hated by both the mainline Republicans and Democrats, and ultimately a failed group. But who time will tell were correct in their beliefs.
What are those beliefs exactly?
You wish. I'm all in favor of holding McCarthy to a short leash, but I agree with the Republican majority that he's earned the chance to lead. This is absolutely the wrong hill to die on, and will ultimately do nothing but reinforce the idea that the only Republicans are good at is shooting themselves in the foot.96AgGrad said:
I got your point. I'm just making the point you should have.
He's a great fundraiser. That's what got him to where he is. He is also *exactly* like the aforementioned Republicans who shot themselves in the foot for years. Voting for him will continue that trend, not change it.jrdaustin said:You wish. I'm all in favor of holding McCarthy to a short leash, but I agree with the Republican majority that he's earned the chance to lead. This is absolutely the wrong hill to die on, and will ultimately do nothing but reinforce the idea that the only Republicans are good at is shooting themselves in the foot.96AgGrad said:
I got your point. I'm just making the point you should have.
I hear you, but I also remember that McCarthy was passed over the last time we had the majority for the "consensus" candidate Ryan. Look where that left us. I don't presume to know everything about what kind of Speaker McCarthy will be, and I think the prejudging by a minority is helping no one.96AgGrad said:He's a great fundraiser. That's what got him to where he is. He is also *exactly* like the aforementioned Republicans who shot themselves in the foot for years. Voting for him will continue that trend, not change it.jrdaustin said:You wish. I'm all in favor of holding McCarthy to a short leash, but I agree with the Republican majority that he's earned the chance to lead. This is absolutely the wrong hill to die on, and will ultimately do nothing but reinforce the idea that the only Republicans are good at is shooting themselves in the foot.96AgGrad said:
I got your point. I'm just making the point you should have.
Roy was Cruz's first ever Chief of Staff and is a friend of Cruz. Cruz says this fight is a misstep and a mistake. Newt says the same thing.
I'm more inclined to listen to the years of experience of a Senator I trust and my favorite ever Speaker than I am the rantings of a number of two-term hardliners.
But that's just me.
Fair enough
And here's another point. I would much rather have Jordan as Chair of Judiciary over the next two years than I would Speaker. He would be the most effective individual we could have spotlighting the corruption occurring under this administration.
By his comments today, Jordan believes the same thing.
I'll yield the floor now.
By his comments today, Jordan believes the same thing.
I'll yield the floor now.
Chip Roy on When Speaker 'Filibuster' Will End
They are looking for rule changes from McCarthy to control spending and other issues.
They have been threatened with the loss of committee assignments.
They are looking for rule changes from McCarthy to control spending and other issues.
They have been threatened with the loss of committee assignments.
DD88 said:
Chip Roy on When Speaker 'Filibuster' Will End
They are looking for rule changes from McCarthy to control spending and other issues.
They have been threatened with the loss of committee assignments.
Made some good points.
DD88 said:
Chip Roy on When Speaker 'Filibuster' Will End
They are looking for rule changes from McCarthy to control spending and other issues.
They have been threatened with the loss of committee assignments.
Just watched it. I didn't really get anything specific out of that 4 minute rant other than yelling about "fighting the swamp," and a bunch of other similar vague statements.
He also seems to blame McCarthy and others for the latest omnibus bill, but I'm not sure how they were supposed to stop that while in the minority.
Gaetz sent a letter to the Architect of the Capitol questioning why McCarthy is allowed to occupy the Speaker’s office. pic.twitter.com/gOlXOtlHQj
— Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) January 4, 2023
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