txags92 said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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That is why God gave us vocal cords and ears. Go talk to them. Ask for a list of who would be acceptable. Circulate the list among the other 200 Rs and see which one you can all agree on. They have had 2 months to do that before letting McCarthy move into the office before he was elected and embarrass himself publicly. Nobody has yet given me a satisfactory explanation of why the rest of the party is so dead set that it can't be anybody besides McCarthy. Why does he have. to. be. the. guy? Why can't there be somebody else among the 200 that can do the job and get everybody's vote?

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Ag CPA said:

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Everyone already hates Gaetz so he has nothing to lose, but most of these other holdouts are going to be blacklisted in the House going forward and many of them are newly-elected or only a term or two in.

I know this is just grandstanding for their base but some bad advice was given that they are going to have to deal with the rest of their political career.

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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txags92 said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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That is why God gave us vocal cords and ears. Go talk to them. Ask for a list of who would be acceptable. Circulate the list among the other 200 Rs and see which one you can all agree on. They have had 2 months to do that before letting McCarthy move into the office before he was elected and embarrass himself publicly. Nobody has yet given me a satisfactory explanation of why the rest of the party is so dead set that it can't be anybody besides McCarthy. Why does he have. to. be. the. guy? Why can't there be somebody else among the 200 that can do the job and get everybody's vote?

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There are powers that be that want McCarthy annointed rather than elected. That is how Jeffries won the Minority Leader post.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Gaetz is his own dude.

There have been many reports of the 20 attempting to negotiate to a better set of circumstances in exchange for a vote.


I personally think that if Mccarthy were to step aside and someone like Scalise take his place, this would be over

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Everyone already hates Gaetz so he has nothing to lose, but most of these other holdouts are going to be blacklisted in the House going forward and many of them are newly-elected or only a term or two in.

I know this is just grandstanding for their base but some bad advice was given that they are going to have to deal with the rest of their political career.

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pagerman @ work said:

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1. They have offered a candidate.

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Who, are they a realistic candidate and would they take the job if elected?

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2. They have, by many accounts, been trying to negotiate the terms on which they'd support Mccarthy

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Except by the very words of the Head Clown in Charge quoted in the first post on this page they have asked for everything they could think of and they still won't vote for him. That is not negotiating in good faith.

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txags92 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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txags92 said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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That is why God gave us vocal cords and ears. Go talk to them. Ask for a list of who would be acceptable. Circulate the list among the other 200 Rs and see which one you can all agree on. They have had 2 months to do that before letting McCarthy move into the office before he was elected and embarrass himself publicly. Nobody has yet given me a satisfactory explanation of why the rest of the party is so dead set that it can't be anybody besides McCarthy. Why does he have. to. be. the. guy? Why can't there be somebody else among the 200 that can do the job and get everybody's vote?

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There are powers that be that want McCarthy annointed rather than elected. That is how Jeffries won the Minority Leader post.

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Well those powers that be were not on the ballot and don't have a vote. They need to explain why McCarthy has to be the guy or they are going to have to show their true colors and work a deal with the dems to make it happen. Because it ain't happening with only 200 Rs voting for him.

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Que Te Gusta Mas said:

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Everyone already hates Gaetz so he has nothing to lose, but most of these other holdouts are going to be blacklisted in the House going forward and many of them are newly-elected or only a term or two in.

I know this is just grandstanding for their base but some bad advice was given that they are going to have to deal with the rest of their political career.

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The same was said about Cruz and Paul between 2010 and 2015, but they have long outlasted their establishment opponents. Their grandstanding was pretty instrumental in the shift of the GOP over the last 15 years.

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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I personally think that if Mccarthy were to step aside and someone like Scalise take his place, this would be over

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aTmAg said:

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1. They have offered a candidate.

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Who, are they a realistic candidate and would they take the job if elected?

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2. They have, by many accounts, been trying to negotiate the terms on which they'd support Mccarthy

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Except by the very words of the Head Clown in Charge quoted in the first post on this page they have asked for everything they could think of and they still won't vote for him. That is not negotiating in good faith.

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You mean head patriot? Your claim of bad faith is BS. They didn't say "we will accept you IF you do X, Y, and Z. and then later renege once he gave them that." After McCarthy showed them his ass, their stance became NOT McCARTHY. Period. It's McCarthy who is now offering crap to try to keep the job for himself and they are refusing. And Gaetz can't imagine anything McCarthy could offer now that would make them accept him.

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There are powers that be that want McCarthy annointed rather than elected.

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Jim Jordan has said he doesn't want the job. Ergo he is not a legitimate candidate.

And the McCarthy side has offered a candidate. The Clown Caucus has said no. The next step in a negotiation is for the opposition to offer a (at least semi) legitimate candidate for the position. This does not include people that don't want the job and one term congressmen that are not up to the task of being Speaker.

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Who has McCarthy side offered other than McCarthy?

And you are wrong on the "next step". The next step is for McCarthy to step down so that they can start fresh on candidates. HE is the head clown in a room full of clowns. They are the reason we have shifted left for decades. I can't believe people on this board still support a system that has proven to fail time and time again.

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Jim Jordan has said he doesn't want the job. Ergo he is not a legitimate candidate.

And the McCarthy side has offered a candidate. The Clown Caucus has said no. The next step in a negotiation is for the opposition to offer a (at least semi) legitimate candidate for the position. This does not include people that don't want the job and one term congressmen that are not up to the task of being Speaker.

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Who has McCarthy side offered other than McCarthy?

And you are wrong on the "next step". The next step is for McCarthy to step down so that they can start fresh on candidates. HE is the head clown in a room full of clowns. They are the reason we have shifted left for decades. I can't believe people on this board still support a system that has proven to fail time and time again.

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Charpie said:

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Exactly. They need to put someone viable up if they feel like they can do better. Right now, it's apparent that its mostly anti Kevin. Then what is the solution?

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TXAggie2011 said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Jim Jordan has said he doesn't want the job. Ergo he is not a legitimate candidate.

And the McCarthy side has offered a candidate. The Clown Caucus has said no. The next step in a negotiation is for the opposition to offer a (at least semi) legitimate candidate for the position. This does not include people that don't want the job and one term congressmen that are not up to the task of being Speaker.

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Who has McCarthy side offered other than McCarthy?

And you are wrong on the "next step". The next step is for McCarthy to step down so that they can start fresh on candidates. HE is the head clown in a room full of clowns. They are the reason we have shifted left for decades. I can't believe people on this board still support a system that has proven to fail time and time again.

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McCarthy should only stand down if Donalds and the others who have been receiving votes do, too. There's no world where a guy receiving 10x the votes needs to step down because a guy only 5% of the chamber wants won't get out of the way

And Jim Jordan is no better a candidate than Donalds. They're both junk. You're not a good candidate if no one wants to vote for you

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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Well, gee.. make sure you nominate somebody who respects freedom and the patriots would support him.

Imagine that thought!

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Matt Gaetz needs to grow up and step aside so that Republicans can read the Constitution aloud and do other grandstanding activities that produce nothing of substance.

— Mostly Peaceful Memes (@MostlyPeacefull) January 5, 2023

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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1. They have offered a candidate.

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Who, are they a realistic candidate and would they take the job if elected?

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2. They have, by many accounts, been trying to negotiate the terms on which they'd support Mccarthy

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Except by the very words of the Head Clown in Charge quoted in the first post on this page they have asked for everything they could think of and they still won't vote for him. That is not negotiating in good faith.

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You mean head patriot? Your claim of bad faith is BS. They didn't say "we will accept you IF you do X, Y, and Z. and then later renege once he gave them that." After McCarthy showed them his ass, their stance became NOT McCARTHY. Period. It's McCarthy who is now offering crap to try to keep the job for himself and they are refusing. And Gaetz can't imagine anything McCarthy could offer now that would make them accept him.

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And that is a childish temper tantrum.

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You expect people to take you serious with this trash?

Are you telling me that if a political candidate told you to your face that he will completely ignore your point of view, that you HAVE to vote for him anyway otherwise it's a "tantrum"?


The McCathy side is talking openly about negotiating with the DEMOCRATS. THAT is a tantrum. Yet here you RINOs are defending it. That is disgusting.

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aTmAg said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Jim Jordan has said he doesn't want the job. Ergo he is not a legitimate candidate.

And the McCarthy side has offered a candidate. The Clown Caucus has said no. The next step in a negotiation is for the opposition to offer a (at least semi) legitimate candidate for the position. This does not include people that don't want the job and one term congressmen that are not up to the task of being Speaker.

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Who has McCarthy side offered other than McCarthy?

And you are wrong on the "next step". The next step is for McCarthy to step down so that they can start fresh on candidates. HE is the head clown in a room full of clowns. They are the reason we have shifted left for decades. I can't believe people on this board still support a system that has proven to fail time and time again.

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McCarthy should only stand down if Donalds and the others who have been receiving votes do, too. There's no world where a guy receiving 10x the votes needs to step down because a guy only 5% of the chamber wants won't get out of the way

And Jim Jordan is no better a candidate than Donalds. They're both junk. You're not a good candidate if no one wants to vote for you

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There is NO TELLING who is the good candidate at this moment. People HAVE to vote for McCarthy because if they don't, and he wins, they get punished. THAT is the reason Jim Jordan got 20 votes. Not because only 20 like Jim Jordan. If McCarthy stands down, then that threat of retribution goes away and people can vote their conscience again. Under that circumstance, I guarantee Jim Jordan gets a crap ton more votes. Enough to get 218? Not sure. But we won't know until we try.

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TexAg1987 said:

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Had the sound turned down. At who & what was Maxine yelling about?

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