Zarathustra said:

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As McCarthy’s fate remains uncertain, Trump - a day after waffling - steps forward and backs McCarthy

Unclear if it will matter pic.twitter.com/FOi07hy7rh

— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) January 4, 2023

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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45-70Ag said:

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aTmAg said:

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45-70Ag said:

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These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.

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Like hell they are. If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.

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They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician

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Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.

What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?

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He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.

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Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.

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Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.

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This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.

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Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer.

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Who was the source of those reports?

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Multiple republicans who were in the meeting.

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Multiple Republicans in the meetings said the opposite and it appears they were the honest ones.

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Zarathustra said:

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As McCarthy’s fate remains uncertain, Trump - a day after waffling - steps forward and backs McCarthy

Unclear if it will matter pic.twitter.com/FOi07hy7rh

— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) January 4, 2023

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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45-70Ag said:

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aTmAg said:

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45-70Ag said:

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These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.

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Like hell they are. If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.

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They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician

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Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.

What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?

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He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.

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Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.

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Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.

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This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.

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Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer.

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Who was the source of those reports?

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Multiple republicans who were in the meeting.

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Multiple Republicans in the meetings said the opposite and it appears they were the honest ones.

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Really? Where's the list of demands that are remaining then? All I've seen is vague rantings about "draining the swamp" and pushing for someone who doesn't want the job. The sooner they can admit it's all just to get themselves more camera time the sooner we can all move on and stop wasting time in the majority.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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45-70Ag said:

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aTmAg said:

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45-70Ag said:

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These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.

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Like hell they are. If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.

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They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician

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Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.

What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?

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He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.

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Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.

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Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.

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This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.

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Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer.

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Who was the source of those reports?

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Multiple republicans who were in the meeting.

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Multiple Republicans in the meetings said the opposite and it appears they were the honest ones.

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Really? Where's the list of demands that are remaining then? All I've seen is vague rantings about "draining the swamp" and pushing for someone who doesn't want the job. The sooner they can admit it's all just to get themselves more camera time the sooner we can all move on and stop wasting time in the majority.

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Irish 2.0 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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45-70Ag said:

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aTmAg said:

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45-70Ag said:

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These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.

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Like hell they are. If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.

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They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician

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Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.

What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?

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He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.

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Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.

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Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.

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This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.

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Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer.

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Who was the source of those reports?

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Multiple republicans who were in the meeting.

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Multiple Republicans in the meetings said the opposite and it appears they were the honest ones.

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Really? Where's the list of demands that are remaining then? All I've seen is vague rantings about "draining the swamp" and pushing for someone who doesn't want the job. The sooner they can admit it's all just to get themselves more camera time the sooner we can all move on and stop wasting time in the majority.

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Over nothing?! McCarthy has literally said he will strip committee members of their assignments that aren't in lockstep with him!! That is nothing to you?!

Leadership through threats, fear, and supression is the **** we're already dealing with with the potato as POTUS

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All these complaints from the conservatives didn't mind when McConnell used procedure, completely within his rights, to prevent Garland from being appointed to SCOTUS. These 19 are doing just the same. Using procedure

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GMaster0 said:

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McCarthy is an extremely weak leader, he can't even complete coherent sentences and is a mess.

McConnell is at his weakest and still at least commands loyalty from his caucus.

Pelosi always managed to wrangle her caucus into submission, even with quite a few radicals in her ranks.

Republicans need to chose a new speaker, McCarthy ain't it.

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Irish 2.0 said:

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I'm still waiting for one of you McCarthy fanboys to answer this for me.

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All these complaints from the conservatives didn't mind when McConnell used procedure, completely within his rights, to prevent Garland from being appointed to SCOTUS. These 19 are doing just the same. Using procedure

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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She used them significantly more than dismissed them. Pelosi was a partisan above all else and that's not leadership.

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redcrayon said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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45-70Ag said:

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aTmAg said:

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45-70Ag said:

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These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.

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Like hell they are. If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.

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They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician

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Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.

What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?

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He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.

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Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.

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Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.

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This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.

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Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer.

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Who was the source of those reports?

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Multiple republicans who were in the meeting.

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Multiple Republicans in the meetings said the opposite and it appears they were the honest ones.

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Really? Where's the list of demands that are remaining then? All I've seen is vague rantings about "draining the swamp" and pushing for someone who doesn't want the job. The sooner they can admit it's all just to get themselves more camera time the sooner we can all move on and stop wasting time in the majority.

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Over nothing?! McCarthy has literally said he will strip committee members of their assignments that aren't in lockstep with him!! That is nothing to you?!

Leadership through threats, fear, and supression is the **** we're already dealing with with the potato as POTUS

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I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just uninformed. Maybe half listening to one news channel?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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redcrayon said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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45-70Ag said:

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aTmAg said:

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45-70Ag said:

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These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.

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Like hell they are. If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.

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They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician

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Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.

What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?

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He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.

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Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.

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Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.

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This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.

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Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer.

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Who was the source of those reports?

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Multiple republicans who were in the meeting.

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Multiple Republicans in the meetings said the opposite and it appears they were the honest ones.

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Really? Where's the list of demands that are remaining then? All I've seen is vague rantings about "draining the swamp" and pushing for someone who doesn't want the job. The sooner they can admit it's all just to get themselves more camera time the sooner we can all move on and stop wasting time in the majority.

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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geoag58 said:

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I hope Roy and his group don't give one inch. Giving in got us where we are today.

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It is comical that people believe this.

These 19 "brave, principled conservatives" are nothing of the sort.

Had they been in the majority when the omnibus spending bill was passed it would have been the exact same $1.8 trillion. The only difference would be where the pork went.

The notion that there is some grassroots minority that is serious about the budget is outlandishly preposterous on its face. No one in government wants to cut spending. Not a single elected official in DC. That is how they get reelected. And for that matter their constituents don't want them to cut spending either. The vast majority of the electorate are just fine with things as they are.

Know how you can tell? Because the only time the republicans make any fuss about spending is when they are out of power. When they have zero ability to actually implement any spending cuts, then they are more than willing to go to the mattresses (theatrically of course) and hold a filibuster that goes several whole hours but accomplishes nothing. Then they will shut down the government to show people just how serious they are about spending that they know they can't do anything about.

The man these savants point to as their guiding light managed to damn near double the federal budget in a mere 4 years! That sure sounds fiscally responsible and oh so conservative to me!

But the best part is that the only reason that they engage in this ridiculous political kabuki theater is because it works. People fall for it every time, hook, line and sinker. It reminds me of the moron communists that hold fast to their insistence that communism will work this time because all the previous disastrous attempts were not real communism. But this time it's gonna happen!

The 19 nimrods know that we are at least 9 months from having any real budget discussions again, given that they just passed one about a week ago. And that any spending cuts (which would at best be reductions in the projected rate of growth, not an actual cut) are DOA in the Senate. They know they will never be called on to actually do anything to "stand up" for any of the values they are paying lip service to right now. So they engage in this little self-serving dog and pony virtue signaling extravaganza to rile up their base who are too willingly credulous to realize they are getting led around by the nose again.

Incidentally, how many terms does it take for a "true conservative" to become a swamp denizen? I know this may seem to rank up there with the tootsie pop conundrum but the truth is its a trick question. The answer is 0, because they are swamp creatures from day 1.

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Absolute BS. Every time the republicans are in power, they are lead by RINOs like Boehner, McCarthy, and Ryan. Never in history has a freedom caucus member been speaker. So you have absolutely no basis to claim that if a freedom caucus member had been in charge we would have had the same $1.8M spending bill. Zero. Nada.


Nobody in this thread pushing for McCarthy or bashing these 19 can EVER again complain about spending or size of government. If you ever have in the past, then you are hypocrites in every sense of the word.

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Irish 2.0 said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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I'm still waiting for one of you McCarthy fanboys to answer this for me.

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All these complaints from the conservatives didn't mind when McConnell used procedure, completely within his rights, to prevent Garland from being appointed to SCOTUS. These 19 are doing just the same. Using procedure

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Its pretty straightforward.

The dems were the opposition, whereas this is inside the party. I am unaware that anyone is saying they have no right or ability to do what they are doing, only that it is a futile, pointless, self-severing political stunt that is doing more harm than good.

Mitch got what he wanted in the end. These 19 morons will not get what they want and will likely get slapped down by leadership for this exercise in public masterbation.

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So now you lock the house for the foreseeable future then and those 19 members won't vote for anything McCarthy tries to put forward. They literally have zero reason to budge if leadership threatens with that *****

McCarthy could've resolved this by not ignoring these members for almost a year when the stooge thought he wouldn't need their votes and would simply rely on incoming members to carry his ass. He played his hand wrong and he brought himself back to 2015.

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Steve Scalise needs to be Speaker.

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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geoag58 said:

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I hope Roy and his group don't give one inch. Giving in got us where we are today.

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It is comical that people believe this.

These 19 "brave, principled conservatives" are nothing of the sort.

Had they been in the majority when the omnibus spending bill was passed it would have been the exact same $1.8 trillion. The only difference would be where the pork went.

The notion that there is some grassroots minority that is serious about the budget is outlandishly preposterous on its face. No one in government wants to cut spending. Not a single elected official in DC. That is how they get reelected. And for that matter their constituents don't want them to cut spending either. The vast majority of the electorate are just fine with things as they are.

Know how you can tell? Because the only time the republicans make any fuss about spending is when they are out of power. When they have zero ability to actually implement any spending cuts, then they are more than willing to go to the mattresses (theatrically of course) and hold a filibuster that goes several whole hours but accomplishes nothing. Then they will shut down the government to show people just how serious they are about spending that they know they can't do anything about.

The man these savants point to as their guiding light managed to damn near double the federal budget in a mere 4 years! That sure sounds fiscally responsible and oh so conservative to me!

But the best part is that the only reason that they engage in this ridiculous political kabuki theater is because it works. People fall for it every time, hook, line and sinker. It reminds me of the moron communists that hold fast to their insistence that communism will work this time because all the previous disastrous attempts were not real communism. But this time it's gonna happen!

The 19 nimrods know that we are at least 9 months from having any real budget discussions again, given that they just passed one about a week ago. And that any spending cuts (which would at best be reductions in the projected rate of growth, not an actual cut) are DOA in the Senate. They know they will never be called on to actually do anything to "stand up" for any of the values they are paying lip service to right now. So they engage in this little self-serving dog and pony virtue signaling extravaganza to rile up their base who are too willingly credulous to realize they are getting led around by the nose again.

Incidentally, how many terms does it take for a "true conservative" to become a swamp denizen? I know this may seem to rank up there with the tootsie pop conundrum but the truth is its a trick question. The answer is 0, because they are swamp creatures from day 1.

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Absolute BS. Every time the republicans are in power, they are lead by RINOs like Boehner, McCarthy, and Ryan. Never in history has a freedom caucus member been speaker. So you have absolutely no basis to claim that if a freedom caucus member had been in charge we would have had the same $1.8M spending bill. Zero. Nada.


Nobody in this thread pushing for McCarthy or bashing these 19 can EVER again complain about spending or size of government. If you ever have in the past, then you are hypocrites in every sense of the word.

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Yep. If we had only tried real communism in the past it would have worked! And now that we are going to get real communism this time, it's definitely going to work.

The omnibus bill was $1.8 trillion and it only represents 31% of the budget for this year. What did these stalwart defenders of mom, apple pie and conservatism have to say about the other 69% of the budget ($4 trillion if you're scoring at home)?

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Hint: precisely dick.

So you are welcome to try and make some kind of penny pinching budget hawk heroes out of these 19 malcontents but the reality is all their protestations about that bill amount to getting all lathered up about some single digit percentage of 31% of the actual budget. In other words, nothing.

If you want to talk about hypocrisy, we can certainly discuss a group of self righteous poseurs claiming to be all about spending but then only doing what amounts to getting up in arms over a disagreement over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

No one in DC is even remotely serious about cutting spending, and that absolutely includes this bunch.

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A while ago, on CNN:

Analyst: You remember that after Newt Gingrich resigned, Republicans managed to find a consensus candidate to be Speaker. @jaketapper: Yes, a child molester.

— Peter Sagal (@petersagal) January 3, 2023