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McCarthy getting speaker?
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Of course he is only interested in "building his brand". That's all a lot of them are interested in (Gaetz being one of the primary ones).jrdaustin said:
"Kevin McCarthy has offered everything he can think to offer and everything we can think to ask for due to his current state of desperation, and I can't tell you whether or not that will be enough to get him there. I doubt it will," Gaetz said. (emphasis mine)
This tells me Gaetz is more interested in his own grandstanding and winning the current battle the 20 created rather than negotiating an acceptable outcome. Why does it appear that McCarthy's skin on the wall is the most important objective, rather than finding a solution that all can move on from?
My question for the supporters of the 20 on this board... What made Kevin McCarthy your worst enemy in the world? What did he do to earn the revision, ostracism, and hatred that many on this board are throwing his way?
They have not negotiated in good faith (see above) and they have not even offered an alternative candidate that wants the job. All they are saying is "not him", with no guarantee that whomever might be selected instead of McCarthy would meet their approval. This isn't a normal situation where one side wants Bob and the other side wants Steve. Here one side wants Bob and the other side wants...? All this protest is (as it has been rightly called) "angertainment".
If that is what it tells you, then you are bat at interpreting things.jrdaustin said:
"Kevin McCarthy has offered everything he can think to offer and everything we can think to ask for due to his current state of desperation, and I can't tell you whether or not that will be enough to get him there. I doubt it will," Gaetz said. (emphasis mine)
This tells me Gaetz is more interested in his own grandstanding and winning the current battle the 20 created rather than negotiating an acceptable outcome. Why does it appear that McCarthy's skin on the wall is the most important objective, rather than finding a solution that all can move on from?
My question for the supporters of the 20 on this board... What made Kevin McCarthy your worst enemy in the world? What did he do to earn the revision, ostracism, and hatred that many on this board are throwing his way?
What it should tell you is that they simply want McCarthy out. That is a perfectly reasonable objective. And what McCarthy did was basically give them the smug finger when they originally asked for policies in exchange for their support. That shows that he has zero respect for them and therefore does not deserve their support.
He thought he had the votes without them, and found out that he was wrong. That alone shows that he is not qualified for speaker. If he can't muster votes for this, then how in the hell do we ever expect him to muster votes for something he is less invested in (like the well being of the nation)?
He'd keep Pelosi's rules and the motion to vacate would have to come from the Democrats.
Rapier108 said:This is how we get someone like Liz Cheney as Speaker, or a "power sharing" agreement where Democrats will be able to block anything and everything they don't like, and ramrod through everything they want.Daddy-O5 said:BREAKING: Rep. Don Bacon, who supports Kevin McCarthy for Speaker of the House, says: “We also have to be willing to consider working with the Democrats at some point.”
— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 5, 2023
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So how is that different than the last 2 years?
Democrats will have stolen another election.
Then these 20 enfants terrible should offer a candidate, because right now the choices are McCarthy and no one. That's not a choice, that's a temper tantrum.aTmAg said:If that is what it tells you, then you are bat at interpreting things.jrdaustin said:
"Kevin McCarthy has offered everything he can think to offer and everything we can think to ask for due to his current state of desperation, and I can't tell you whether or not that will be enough to get him there. I doubt it will," Gaetz said. (emphasis mine)
This tells me Gaetz is more interested in his own grandstanding and winning the current battle the 20 created rather than negotiating an acceptable outcome. Why does it appear that McCarthy's skin on the wall is the most important objective, rather than finding a solution that all can move on from?
My question for the supporters of the 20 on this board... What made Kevin McCarthy your worst enemy in the world? What did he do to earn the revision, ostracism, and hatred that many on this board are throwing his way?
What it should tell you is that they simply want McCarthy out. That is a perfectly reasonable objective. And what McCarthy did was basically give them the smug finger when they originally asked for policies in exchange for their support. That shows that he has zero respect for them and therefore does not deserve their support.
He thought he had the votes without them, and found out that he was wrong. That alone shows that he is not qualified for speaker. If he can't muster votes for this, then how in the hell do we ever expect him to muster votes for something he is less invested in (like the well being of the nation)?
aTmAg said:If that is what it tells you, then you are bat at interpreting things.jrdaustin said:
"Kevin McCarthy has offered everything he can think to offer and everything we can think to ask for due to his current state of desperation, and I can't tell you whether or not that will be enough to get him there. I doubt it will," Gaetz said. (emphasis mine)
This tells me Gaetz is more interested in his own grandstanding and winning the current battle the 20 created rather than negotiating an acceptable outcome. Why does it appear that McCarthy's skin on the wall is the most important objective, rather than finding a solution that all can move on from?
My question for the supporters of the 20 on this board... What made Kevin McCarthy your worst enemy in the world? What did he do to earn the revision, ostracism, and hatred that many on this board are throwing his way?
What it should tell you is that they simply want McCarthy out. That is a perfectly reasonable objective. And what McCarthy did was basically give them the smug finger when they originally asked for policies in exchange for their support. That shows that he has zero respect for them and therefore does not deserve their support.
He thought he had the votes without them, and found out that he was wrong. That alone shows that he is not qualified for speaker. If he can't muster votes for this, then how in the hell do we ever expect him to muster votes for something he is less invested in (like the well being of the nation)?
There are likely other members that want the job BUT looks what happens if you don't support McCarthy! There are plenty of other members that would do a better job than McCarthy.
Believe that the motion must come from the majority and must be 111 votes I thought. GOP has the majority, so they could put forth the motion. At least that is how I interpreted it.TRM said:
He'd keep Pelosi's rules and the motion to vacate would have to come from the Democrats.
And it is jackasses like this who would be to blame. Not the 20 fighting for liberty.Rapier108 said:This is how we get someone like Liz Cheney as Speaker, or a "power sharing" agreement where Democrats will be able to block anything and everything they don't like, and ramrod through everything they want.Daddy-O5 said:BREAKING: Rep. Don Bacon, who supports Kevin McCarthy for Speaker of the House, says: “We also have to be willing to consider working with the Democrats at some point.”
— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 5, 2023
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We are averaging roughly 6 pages per round of voting.
Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
Everyone already hates Gaetz so he has nothing to lose, but most of these other holdouts are going to be blacklisted in the House going forward and many of them are newly-elected or only a term or two in.
I know this is just grandstanding for their base but some bad advice was given that they are going to have to deal with the rest of their political career.
I know this is just grandstanding for their base but some bad advice was given that they are going to have to deal with the rest of their political career.
Boebert formally putting Hern up along with Donalds already being up. Four candidates named for round 9.
Yes. That's the exact answer. Mccarthy doesn't have the votes. How many rounds is needed for them to figure that out. It's about his fat ego now.
And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
Exactly. They need to put someone viable up if they feel like they can do better. Right now, it's apparent that its mostly anti Kevin. Then what is the solution?
pagerman @ work said:And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line
I thought that one of the concessions had to do with the number of of members of the majority party necessary to call for the speaker to step down..nortex97 said:
There's no way to 'force' a vote on a speaker once elected (via a majority of those present, in this case needing 218 right now), in a given congress. There is no 'vote of no confidence' parliamentary equivalent in the rules.
This isn't like a 'made up' office in the Senate, it's a constitutionally authorized position, 2 heartbeats from the presidency, so the 'people's house' can't just on it's own decide to kick one out after the position is filled, basically.
For example, from https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/05/mccarthy-bid-00076520
Quote:
It would, according to two Republicans familiar with it, include a vote on term limits for members, more seats for Freedom Caucus members on the powerful House Rules Committee, and allowing a single member to force a vote on ousting the speaker. That last item is a particularly steep climbdown for McCarthy essentially guaranteeing that if he does land the gavel, it's never fully safe.
If I understand it correctly, it currently takes a majority of the major party to demand a vote on forcing the Speaker out.
So just what is the bolded portion referring to if not for the ability of the majority party to force the Speaker to step down and be replaced?
Something doesn't add up here.
Marc Thiessen is blaming Boebert for the reason the GOP has gone to ***** A congresswoman only on her 2nd term is at fault!! Get bent chode!
This is comical to watch…
Well, gee.. make sure you nominate somebody who respects freedom and the patriots would support him.pagerman @ work said:And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
Imagine that thought!
Irish 2.0 said:
Marc Thiessen is blaming Boebert for the reason the GOP has gone to ***** A congresswoman only on her 2nd term is at fault!! Get bent chode!
March Thiessen is what is the epitome of what is wrong with the R party…
Who are these magical 'moderate and conservative' Dems in the House?TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
They don't exist! To my knowledge, every elected House Democrat supports baby murder. That alone disqualifies them from being called 'moderate' or 'conservative'.
But there are plenty of liberal GOP.
That is the issue.
God Bless the 20!
Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.Agthatbuilds said:pagerman @ work said:And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line
All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.
Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".
That is why God gave us vocal cords and ears. Go talk to them. Ask for a list of who would be acceptable. Circulate the list among the other 200 Rs and see which one you can all agree on. They have had 2 months to do that before letting McCarthy move into the office before he was elected and embarrass himself publicly. Nobody has yet given me a satisfactory explanation of why the rest of the party is so dead set that it can't be anybody besides McCarthy. Why does he have. to. be. the. guy? Why can't there be somebody else among the 200 that can do the job and get everybody's vote?pagerman @ work said:And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
I disagree.
1. They have offered a candidate.
2. They have, by many accounts, been trying to negotiate the terms on which they'd support Mccarthy
1. They have offered a candidate.
2. They have, by many accounts, been trying to negotiate the terms on which they'd support Mccarthy
Which is my entire point.aTmAg said:Well, gee.. make sure you nominate somebody who respects freedom and the patriots would support him.pagerman @ work said:And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
Imagine that thought!
Offer an alternative. To do otherwise is entirely childish and indicative of an ulterior motive in this process.
Bring on Round 10. See ya tomorrow.
Not how I understand it, but I don't have the text in front of me.Irish 2.0 said:Believe that the motion must come from the majority and must be 111 votes I thought. GOP has the majority, so they could put forth the motion. At least that is how I interpreted it.TRM said:
He'd keep Pelosi's rules and the motion to vacate would have to come from the Democrats.
What's the point of offering an alternative candidate in the meetings if they start with "McCarthy is the only vote for us"? McCarthy's ego has taken it this far. The solution is McCarthy step aside and allow the members to toss out names that aren't McCarthy to decide on. It is really that simple at this point.pagerman @ work said:Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.Agthatbuilds said:pagerman @ work said:And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line
All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.
Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".
Byron Donalds in the compromise candidate. Chip Roy IS right.pagerman @ work said:Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.Agthatbuilds said:pagerman @ work said:And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line
All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.
Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".
Quote:
1. They have offered a candidate.
Who, are they a realistic candidate and would they take the job if elected?
Except by the very words of the Head Clown in Charge quoted in the first post on this page they have asked for everything they could think of and they still won't vote for him. That is not negotiating in good faith.Quote:
2. They have, by many accounts, been trying to negotiate the terms on which they'd support Mccarthy
Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.pagerman @ work said:Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.Agthatbuilds said:pagerman @ work said:And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?aTmAg said:Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.TRM said:Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.Daddy-O5 said:This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023
They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line
All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.
Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".
It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.
It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.
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