aggie93 said:

---

This really was a dumb statement for McCarthy to make even if he is right. He simply doesn't seem to grasp that his arrogance and entitlement is a huge part of the problem, especially for the last few holdouts. He's practically daring them to keep holding out.

MCCARTHY: “We'll come back tonight and I believe at that time, we'll have the votes to finish this once and for all”

— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 6, 2023

---

45-70Ag said:

---

aggie93 said:

---

This really was a dumb statement for McCarthy to make even if he is right. He simply doesn't seem to grasp that his arrogance and entitlement is a huge part of the problem, especially for the last few holdouts. He's practically daring them to keep holding out.

MCCARTHY: “We'll come back tonight and I believe at that time, we'll have the votes to finish this once and for all”

— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 6, 2023

---

Unless this is all theater and he's Already been told he's good to go.

---

Rapier108 said:

---

Rodney Ruxin said:

---

Quote:

---

When you simply ignore how the world works don't be surprised you can't get the changes you want. BTW, one of Trump's biggest flaws is he didn't understand how DC worked and it sunk him over and over again. You have to know how to play the game in order to win it.

---

The only way to return to anything resembling a functional constitutional republic is to remove power from D.C. The corruption is so long-standing and so deep, you aren't going to get any meaningful change by electing the Trump's of the world. We don't need different people in Washington. Well we do, but that's not a realistic goal, the system has literally been designed to keep people with goodwill away from holding any legitimate power. Literally the only way forward is removing power.

---

Giant Meteor 2024

---

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

---

Rapier108 said:

---

Rodney Ruxin said:

---

Quote:

---

When you simply ignore how the world works don't be surprised you can't get the changes you want. BTW, one of Trump's biggest flaws is he didn't understand how DC worked and it sunk him over and over again. You have to know how to play the game in order to win it.

---

The only way to return to anything resembling a functional constitutional republic is to remove power from D.C. The corruption is so long-standing and so deep, you aren't going to get any meaningful change by electing the Trump's of the world. We don't need different people in Washington. Well we do, but that's not a realistic goal, the system has literally been designed to keep people with goodwill away from holding any legitimate power. Literally the only way forward is removing power.

---

Giant Meteor 2024

---

Could you please specify "to land in DC" to your theory?

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

Pretty solid list of demands from Roy & Co. I do notice the word amendment missing from #3, which as I understand one would be required?

---

Rockdoc said:

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

Pretty solid list of demands from Roy & Co. I do notice the word amendment missing from #3, which as I understand one would be required?

---

What's to keep the dem members from requesting he vacate the chair every day?

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Rockdoc said:

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

Pretty solid list of demands from Roy & Co. I do notice the word amendment missing from #3, which as I understand one would be required?

---

What's to keep the dem members from requesting he vacate the chair every day?

---

Must be a member of the majority party

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

Pretty solid list of demands from Roy & Co. I do notice the word amendment missing from #3, which as I understand one would be required?

---

Rockdoc said:

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Rockdoc said:

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

Pretty solid list of demands from Roy & Co. I do notice the word amendment missing from #3, which as I understand one would be required?

---

What's to keep the dem members from requesting he vacate the chair every day?

---

Must be a member of the majority party

---

Makes sense. Still may be very problematic.

---

Rockdoc said:

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Rockdoc said:

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

Pretty solid list of demands from Roy & Co. I do notice the word amendment missing from #3, which as I understand one would be required?

---

What's to keep the dem members from requesting he vacate the chair every day?

---

Must be a member of the majority party

---

Makes sense. Still may be very problematic.

---

1872walker said:

---

Rockdoc said:

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Rockdoc said:

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

Pretty solid list of demands from Roy & Co. I do notice the word amendment missing from #3, which as I understand one would be required?

---

What's to keep the dem members from requesting he vacate the chair every day?

---

Must be a member of the majority party

---

Makes sense. Still may be very problematic.

---

Nope. It's a feature of our Republic meant as a check against abuse of power by the person two steps away from the Presidency.

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

Gigem314 said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

So much for McCarthy brokering a deal with the dems.

---

C@LAg said:

---

1872walker said:

---

That's the entire reason for the single-member motion to vacate the speaker's chair.

---

which is non-binding.
the majority can agree to ignore it at any point.
these are concessions. not laws. they exist at the whims of those actually in "power".

---

Whirligigs said:

---

Gotta get them concessions - whatever any of that actually means.

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Now that it seems McCarthy is on track to win it tonight, time to look forward:

Chip Roy for Senate in 2026 over Cornyn.

---

1872walker said:

---

C@LAg said:

---

1872walker said:

---

That's the entire reason for the single-member motion to vacate the speaker's chair.

---

which is non-binding.
the majority can agree to ignore it at any point.
these are concessions. not laws. they exist at the whims of those actually in "power".

---

Once approved, the Rules are binding for that Congress.

---

aggie93 said:

---

Rodney Ruxin said:

---

Quote:

---

When you simply ignore how the world works don't be surprised you can't get the changes you want. BTW, one of Trump's biggest flaws is he didn't understand how DC worked and it sunk him over and over again. You have to know how to play the game in order to win it.

---

The only way to return to anything resembling a functional constitutional republic is to remove power from D.C. The corruption is so long-standing and so deep, you aren't going to get any meaningful change by electing the Trump's of the world. We don't need different people in Washington. Well we do, but that's not a realistic goal, the system has literally been designed to keep people with goodwill away from holding any legitimate power. Literally the only way forward is removing power.

---

So your argument is things are so broken that we can't win within the current system and by electing the right people. Ok, only 3 ways to get that then. First is a Convention of States and then for it to go the way you want. Second is a Revolution/Civil War that overthrows the government. Third is secession.

First is a pipe dream that will fail. Way too many socialists to ever agree to a real improvement of the Constitution.

Second is insane.

Third has promise but it's complicated and risky on its own.

Otherwise you are just wishcasting that the world doesn't work the way you want. That's great for Stars but that's about it.

---

98PercenterAg said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress

---

---

I do notice the word amendment missing from #3, which as I understand one would be required?

---

C@LAg said:

---

1872walker said:

---

That's the entire reason for the single-member motion to vacate the speaker's chair.

---

which is non-binding.
the majority can agree to ignore it at any point.
these are concessions. not laws. they exist at the whims of those actually in "power".

---

Adam87inSA said:

---

Gigem314 said:

---

Dan Scott said:

---

the concessions received per politico

Quote:

---

1. Only one House member needed to file a motion to "vacate the chair"
2. Freedom Caucus members having a few seats on the House Rules Committee that will allow those members to leverage certain criteria behind voting for bills.
3. Voting on a bill setting term limits for members of Congress
4. Individual votes on each of the 12 appropriations bills and excluding earmarks from such bills
5. A vote on legislation surrounding border security
6. 72-hour notice from release of legislation before voting on it
7. A vote on a balanced budget amendment

---

---

So much for McCarthy brokering a deal with the dems.

---

That is a productive set of concessions. With Chip Roy on board now, it seems a waste of time to drag this out further.

---