Stive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
Proof that these people aren't serious
McCarthy getting speaker?
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Proof that these people aren't serious
dumbassStive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
AggieKeith15 said:
Yeah, Trump endorsed extremists, which is why the GOP barely won seats in the House...
And it happened in the Senate as well. Extremist candidates like Oz in Pennsylvania were too radical to be elected, and moderate types like Federman were always going to win.
Oz wasn't an extremist, just like trump he's actually a liberal. But he was a terrible candidate who was only endorsed by trump because trump thought it would be cool to have a reality star run for office. McCormick would have won easily.
Good lord
Actually it is proof that they won't vote for McCarthy. They are serious which is why they don't vote for McCarthyBen Matlock said:Stive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
Proof that these people aren't serious
Ok, got a solution, fix election laws and make them as secure and transparent as possible! That's was easy, next?Admiral Adama said:Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy's involvement stymied the Republicans from gaining more seats. Gaining 10 when you promised 28+ isn't a win or a "Thank God McCarthy was there" moment. It is an indictment of his ineffectiveness when you have the worst polling president in history and you had to claw to barely gain the majority. So McCarthy and Co. messaging was so bad that the Dems almost kept the house is what you just posted.jrdaustin said:From what I've seen, without McCarthy's involvement, the Dems would have gained seats in the House just like they did in the Senate. So what did the 20 oppositionists do to help elect Republicans - other than complain?Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy went wrong!! That is a big issue too! That arrogant SOB promised 240+ House seats!! They're at 222. The worst polling POTUS ever and the GOP has the worst midterm # improvement since JFK. You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well………, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
Or, this is a thankless job of herding unruly cats who have their own agenda, many of whom had an electoral message of the 2020 election was stolen, that didn't pass muster with concerned moderates this board hates. Find a solution to that problem and the Midterms would have been a blowout.
Oh, that's right, your representatives don't want that to happen but you're ok with that.
Irish 2.0 said:Actually it is proof that they won't vote for McCarthy. They are serious which is why they don't vote for McCarthyBen Matlock said:Stive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
Proof that these people aren't serious
Then spend a few minutes before this whole deal and find a viable 3rd option instead of being obstructionist.
No. I've followed what you have said. You have looked into your crystal ball and told us exactly how McCarthy is going to govern multiple times. Clearly you see the future like no one else can. I said early in this thread that I was in favor of a short leash on McCarthy - one that he has agreed to and is still rejected.Irish 2.0 said:
I've made plenty of observations as to why I'm no fan of McCarthy's besides the fact of the poor performance of the House gains. So before you throw out BS accusations as to that is the only reason, why don't you grab the full story of what I have posted.
One being that Trump wants him in power and I'm tired of Trump's crap and he is an albatross on the neck of the GOP now
I fail to understand why 20 representatives reject the offers to end this charade and get on with things. McCarthy is not likely the solution, but he is also not the entirety of the problem. This should have been settled in caucus and have a united front rather than grandstanding by a tiny minority of one and two term hard liners. The way to permanently change things in the House is to gain enough momentum to have a majority of the caucus see your way AND control the house. Right now, the 20 have neither.
An opening is being created to be exploited by the Dems and the media. I posted above my fear that the Dems have an opportunity to blindside everyone by supporting a neutered Liz Cheney. This scenario becomes more plausible with every failed vote. In other words, the longer the goes, the weaker we will become - not stronger.
Voting for trump is foolish. Just wasting time and attention *****ing
So you believe that not only will they elect someone not in the House but that it will be Cheney? Really??
45-70Ag said:
Voting for trump is foolish. Just wasting time and attention *****ing
I expected more from Gaetz
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Admiral Adama said:45-70Ag said:
Voting for trump is foolish. Just wasting time and attention *****ing
I expected more from Gaetz
So if he said Scalise or Jim Jordan you'd be cool with that even though they end in the same result?
I fail to understand why 200 Rs are so committed to McCarthy having to be the leader when there are at least 150 of them who could do the job too and would get no objections from the 20 holdouts. Nobody has explained to me yet why it is so absolutely critical that McCarthy hold the gavel when they are all handwringing so hard about the harm being caused by the obstruction. If we have such a narrow margin for any chance at success this term, why are they so committed to having a guy as leader who is unacceptable to 10% of the caucus? They are making things unnecessarily hard on themselves for the next 2 years by insisting that he has to be the guy and there is no other possible option.jrdaustin said:
I fail to understand why 20 representatives reject the offers to end this charade and get on with things. McCarthy is not likely the solution, but he is also not the entirety of the problem.
At least they're in the house and not sitting at their compound.
Zarathustra said:
This is just getting juvenile and giving credibility to the accusations that his opposition isn't based on serious principle.— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) January 5, 2023
They called them terrorists and you expect them to react with decorum? Seems to me like you're okay with the establishment being childish but not those who oppose them. Sounds like you are the problem here. Decorum is not and never is the answer.
&ct=g I'm going to say, these days, there's no discernable difference.RebelE Infantry said:Ellis Wyatt said:We realize you and folks like you would like to "progress" us all the way into enslavement.gbaby23 said:
I'll pass. Forcefully, if necessary.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the poster quoting Dabney probably isn't a progressive.
This is no different than the Dem Quorum Break of '21. No real plan to move forward, just dragging their feet to delay the inevitable.
What is the downside to not seating a Speaker? Do y'all really want to send more $$$ to Ukraine that badly?
I meant that as a serious Statesman and knightly gentleman, I thought Gaetz was above grandstanding attempts such as nominating Trump.
Once McCarthy sits his ass down, that will be possible.Ben Matlock said:Irish 2.0 said:Actually it is proof that they won't vote for McCarthy. They are serious which is why they don't vote for McCarthyBen Matlock said:Stive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
Proof that these people aren't serious
Then spend a few minutes before this whole deal and find a viable 3rd option instead of being obstructionist.
Right now, 202 republicans are afraid of retribution if they vote against McCarthy since they assume he will eventually win. Once he steps aside, they are free to vote more freely.
McCarthy is every bit as much responsible for the "obstruction" as the 20 patriots.
Not saying it solved everything and was perfect, but McCarthy did roll out the Pledge to America. That was more than McConnell did, and it was more than the 20 have done.Ellis Wyatt said:You sure? McConnell helped dems in some senate races. That's why they gained seats, at least in part.jrdaustin said:From what I've seen, without McCarthy's involvement, the Dems would have gained seats in the House just like they did in the Senate. So what did the 20 oppositionists do to help elect Republicans - other than complain?Irish 2.0 said:McCarthy went wrong!! That is a big issue too! That arrogant SOB promised 240+ House seats!! They're at 222. The worst polling POTUS ever and the GOP has the worst midterm # improvement since JFK. You don't think a lot of that blame lays at the feet of McCarthy, the Minority Leader?aggiedent said:
"But, if the GOP finally starts acting like conservatives, the base will get off their ass and reward them with a crap-ton of votes."
When a sitting president entering midterm elections has such dismal approval ratings, and has made a crap load of bad decisions (Afghanistan, oil & gas, etc.) the opposing party usually turns out in force and wipes the floor.
Well%85%85%85, there was a real high turnout in general, and especially in the Republican Party. The GOP had dismal results. How does that mesh with you statement above? What went wrong?
What was McConnell's message? What was his vision? What was he telling Americans he would do for the country if republicans took back the Senate? What was McCarthy's message?
They did nothing to win seats. They're the establishment. All they want is their seats at the table. Nothing more.
Admiral Adama said:
I meant that as a serious Statesman and knightly gentleman, I thought Gaetz was above grandstanding attempts such as nominating Trump.
Not a single legislator in that town is capable of such.
Daddy-O5 said:The same GOP establishment that's always happy to compromise on budgets and bills with the Democrats is unwilling to budge an inch on McCarthy.
— Tony Kinnett (@TheTonus) January 4, 2023
That tells you everything you need to know. It's all about continuing the uniparty.
Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un declines invitation to be Speaker of US Congress, as he only heads functional bodies of government. pic.twitter.com/1CGGXmU1PU
— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) January 5, 2023
Well hell.
Stive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
The entrainment factor just keeps getting cranked higher and higher.
Thank you dear sweet baby Jesus for making something so typically mundane and boring into entertainment gold.
McCarthy has 90% of the Republican Conference's votes. He is not "every bit as much responsible for the obstruction," he's 80% less responsible than the Taliban TwentyaTmAg said:Once McCarthy sits his ass down, that will be possible.Ben Matlock said:Irish 2.0 said:Actually it is proof that they won't vote for McCarthy. They are serious which is why they don't vote for McCarthyBen Matlock said:Stive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
Proof that these people aren't serious
Then spend a few minutes before this whole deal and find a viable 3rd option instead of being obstructionist.
Right now, 202 republicans are afraid of retribution if they vote against McCarthy since they assume he will eventually win. Once he steps aside, they are free to vote more freely.
McCarthy is every bit as much responsible for the "obstruction" as the 20 patriots.
Again, you believe that not only will they select someone not in the House but that it will be Cheney?
The plan is to get McCarthy out of the picture. What is hard to understand about that?Ben Matlock said:
This is no different than the Dem Quorum Break of '21. No real plan to move forward, just dragging their feet to delay the inevitable.
Stive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
what a surprise!!
the guy who was credibly accused of paying coeds to take vacations with him
supports the three time divorced guy who paid a pron star to have an affair with him.
such a surprise that Gaetz is an Always Trumper!
1872walker said:Asked if he’s worried about retribution over his speaker vote @ByronDonalds says, “Man, I’m 6’2” 275, I’m not worried about that.” Amazing answer. pic.twitter.com/7LRGtcYgT8
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) January 5, 2023
He basically called DC politicians soft nancies. I can get behind this kind of machismo. We need physically dominant politicians again.
Yeah, it makes sense to me. Cheney was on the Jan 6th committee and has reason to not want their deliberations and omissions explored in public. She lost her seat in the House, but still has a desire to be relevant. She has multiple contacts and relationships in the DC swamp. She IS the establishment. The MSM loves her now because of the Jan. 6 committee involvement.redcrayon said:
So you believe that not only will they elect someone not in the House but that it will be Cheney? Really??
The Dems could get concessions from her for returning her to power. Heck, she's mostly Dem at this point anyway.
IMO, she's the best milquetoast option the Dems have to truly gum up the works and get a Media win.
Wrong. He should have stepped aside long ago. By not doing so he is an obstructionist.98PercenterAg said:McCarthy has 90% of the Republican Conference's votes. He is not "every bit as much responsible for the obstruction," he's 80% less responsible than the Taliban TwentyaTmAg said:Once McCarthy sits his ass down, that will be possible.Ben Matlock said:Irish 2.0 said:Actually it is proof that they won't vote for McCarthy. They are serious which is why they don't vote for McCarthyBen Matlock said:Stive said:
Gaetz just voted for Trump!
Proof that these people aren't serious
Then spend a few minutes before this whole deal and find a viable 3rd option instead of being obstructionist.
Right now, 202 republicans are afraid of retribution if they vote against McCarthy since they assume he will eventually win. Once he steps aside, they are free to vote more freely.
McCarthy is every bit as much responsible for the "obstruction" as the 20 patriots.
And calling them the "Taliban twenty" says more about you than them.
The hardest part to understand about it is that it's not going to happen. There have been >10 GOP congress people now express that, due to the detractors, they'll support no person other than McCarthy. So do we sit in stalemate for 2 years? Or does the 10% take their negotiation victory and join the 90%aTmAg said:The plan is to get McCarthy out of the picture. What is hard to understand about that?Ben Matlock said:
This is no different than the Dem Quorum Break of '21. No real plan to move forward, just dragging their feet to delay the inevitable.
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