Same ol swamp rats!
Term limits please.
Term limits please.
McCarthy getting speaker?
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Tis better to navigate the swamp in your own state capitol than a swamp in DC.PA24 said:
Same ol swamp rats!
Term limits please.
De-fang the federal government. Period.
lb3 said:
Remember who the establishment wanted for president in 2016?
First it was Jeb Bush and when he flamed out they got behind John Kasich. They don't know their base.
A block of House Republicans should get together with Democrats to pick a speaker to run a coalition government, which will moderate the House and marginalize the extremists.
— John Kasich (@JohnKasich) January 3, 2023
lb3 said:lb3 said:
Remember who the establishment wanted for president in 2016?
First it was Jeb Bush and when he flamed out they got behind John Kasich. They don't know their base.A block of House Republicans should get together with Democrats to pick a speaker to run a coalition government, which will moderate the House and marginalize the extremists.
— John Kasich (@JohnKasich) January 3, 2023
Lol uniparty establishment both want to slowly boil the frog. Both have the same end goal.
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This is just getting juvenile and giving credibility to the accusations that his opposition isn't based on serious principle.
— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) January 5, 2023
Kasich is -- and has been -- an idiot. You need a conservative majority house to help moderate a liberal majority Senate. Watering down the House's leverage doesn't promote a balance; it just tips the advantage toward the liberals.lb3 said:lb3 said:
Remember who the establishment wanted for president in 2016?
First it was Jeb Bush and when he flamed out they got behind John Kasich. They don't know their base.A block of House Republicans should get together with Democrats to pick a speaker to run a coalition government, which will moderate the House and marginalize the extremists.
— John Kasich (@JohnKasich) January 3, 2023
C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
"Extremists. Terrorists. Hostage takers. Taliban 20"
This is how the GOP establishment pukes describe conservatives in their own party. Pretty telling that they don't come anywhere near using this kind of inflammatory language against the actual radicals that are controlling our country.
What a collection of useless human trashbags that only wish to continue looting the treasury for their own benefit. That's why they're so upset.
This is how the GOP establishment pukes describe conservatives in their own party. Pretty telling that they don't come anywhere near using this kind of inflammatory language against the actual radicals that are controlling our country.
What a collection of useless human trashbags that only wish to continue looting the treasury for their own benefit. That's why they're so upset.
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I'd been told my multiple sources Rep, Gaetz wasn't included in the meetings happening right now between GOP leadership and dissenters.
— Olivia Beavers (@Olivia_Beavers) January 4, 2023
He just came off the elevators, asked McHenry who was leaving, where they were taking place, and then tried to go through the wrong door.
Hearing McCarthy increased concessions have won over a handful of votes toward him, but not enough yet. Time will tell I presume
A real war? Or a war as in political war on in the halls of the Senate and House? Given the political climate... probably should differentiate...10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
TheEternalPessimist said:A real war? Or a war as in political war on in the halls of the Senate and House? Given the political climate... probably should differentiate...10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
Given these times, appropriate to say a political war. Thanks for checking me.
They're playing high stakes poker. If they succeed in getting a more conservative speaker, it's a winning bet.10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
If McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems and moderate (R's), then the conservatives lose their leverage and it's a bad bet.
I would hold my leverage for what really matters, and that's legislation. Better to have a McCarthy speaker and hold your votes to make the legislation weigh toward the conservative side, then to prematurely fight and lose your leverage over any legislation.
We'll see how it plays out...
MemphisAg1 said:They're playing high stakes poker. If they succeed in getting a more conservative speaker, it's a winning bet.10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
If McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems and moderate (R's), then the conservatives lose their leverage and it's a bad bet.
I would hold my leverage for what really matters, and that's legislation. Better to have a McCarthy speaker and hold your votes to make the legislation weigh toward the conservative side, then to prematurely fight and lose your leverage over any legislation.
We'll see how it plays out...
I don't think so, if McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems, repubs will remove the speaker.
In no world are repubs ok with giving up the advantage.
If McCarthy so much as whispers about a deal with dems to gain the speakership I'd wager large money that at least 50 GOP will defect away from him. At that point his political career is over short of switching parties.
You could have a block of moderate R's combine with the Dems to elect McCarthy in exchange for a commitment to more moderate policies. I don't support that, but it's a possibility if the hardcore R's overplay their hand.10thYrSr said:MemphisAg1 said:They're playing high stakes poker. If they succeed in getting a more conservative speaker, it's a winning bet.10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
If McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems and moderate (R's), then the conservatives lose their leverage and it's a bad bet.
I would hold my leverage for what really matters, and that's legislation. Better to have a McCarthy speaker and hold your votes to make the legislation weigh toward the conservative side, then to prematurely fight and lose your leverage over any legislation.
We'll see how it plays out...
I don't think so, if McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems, repubs will remove the speaker.
In no world are repubs ok with giving up the advantage.
The key point is to utilize your leverage when it's most effective. And I believe that's with legislation (like Manchin and Senima) and not who's the speaker or majority leader (Senate).
The hardcore R's can still exercise incredible leverage over legislation, unless they get cut out of the process by a moderate coalition of R's and Dems. We'll see...
MemphisAg1 said:You could have a block of moderate R's combine with the Dems to elect McCarthy in exchange for a commitment to more moderate policies. I don't support that, but it's a possibility if the hardcore R's overplay their hand.10thYrSr said:MemphisAg1 said:They're playing high stakes poker. If they succeed in getting a more conservative speaker, it's a winning bet.10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
If McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems and moderate (R's), then the conservatives lose their leverage and it's a bad bet.
I would hold my leverage for what really matters, and that's legislation. Better to have a McCarthy speaker and hold your votes to make the legislation weigh toward the conservative side, then to prematurely fight and lose your leverage over any legislation.
We'll see how it plays out...
I don't think so, if McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems, repubs will remove the speaker.
In no world are repubs ok with giving up the advantage.
The key point is to utilize your leverage when it's most effective. And I believe that's with legislation (like Manchin and Senima) and not who's the speaker or majority leader (Senate).
The hardcore R's can still exercise incredible leverage over legislation, unless they get cut out of the process by a moderate coalition of R's and Dems. We'll see...
The fallacy of your conclusion is not realizing the speaker essentially dictates the House agenda and his unwillingness to commit to bringing certain legislation up for a vote and setting of certain rules around legislation is the very thing most the handwringing from the 20 holdouts is about
And that would say everything that needs to be said about the establishment republicans that they are so tied to McCarthy that they would give concessions to democrats to have him as the leader instead of finding one of the other 222 Rs that would be palatable for the entire caucus. They are closer to the dems than they are to the freedom caucus, which is why this is happening in the first place.MemphisAg1 said:You could have a block of moderate R's combine with the Dems to elect McCarthy in exchange for a commitment to more moderate policies. I don't support that, but it's a possibility if the hardcore R's overplay their hand.10thYrSr said:MemphisAg1 said:They're playing high stakes poker. If they succeed in getting a more conservative speaker, it's a winning bet.10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
If McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems and moderate (R's), then the conservatives lose their leverage and it's a bad bet.
I would hold my leverage for what really matters, and that's legislation. Better to have a McCarthy speaker and hold your votes to make the legislation weigh toward the conservative side, then to prematurely fight and lose your leverage over any legislation.
We'll see how it plays out...
I don't think so, if McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems, repubs will remove the speaker.
In no world are repubs ok with giving up the advantage.
The key point is to utilize your leverage when it's most effective. And I believe that's with legislation (like Manchin and Senima) and not who's the speaker or majority leader (Senate).
The hardcore R's can still exercise incredible leverage over legislation, unless they get cut out of the process by a moderate coalition of R's and Dems. We'll see...
flashplayer said:
If McCarthy so much as whispers about a deal with dems to gain the speakership I'd wager large money that at least 50 GOP will defect away from him. At that point his political career is over short of switching parties.
Exactly! That is why he is in such a tough spot! The 20 have all the leverage.
I'm enjoying watching this theater. It won't end well for establishment republicans. And all you people supporting the establishment are worried. Why? What have the Republicans given you in the past 25 years? Patriot act approved, Obamacare approved, spending bill after spending bill approved. It's like you just want your team to win regardless of what it costs you. But you are suffering through 8-6 season season after season! Life isn't football. And the players don't even know you exist although you have donated thousands.
The 20 can still hold power over the Speaker with their votes as a bloc, including his agenda. But if they get cut out, they have no power.flashplayer said:MemphisAg1 said:You could have a block of moderate R's combine with the Dems to elect McCarthy in exchange for a commitment to more moderate policies. I don't support that, but it's a possibility if the hardcore R's overplay their hand.10thYrSr said:MemphisAg1 said:They're playing high stakes poker. If they succeed in getting a more conservative speaker, it's a winning bet.10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
If McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems and moderate (R's), then the conservatives lose their leverage and it's a bad bet.
I would hold my leverage for what really matters, and that's legislation. Better to have a McCarthy speaker and hold your votes to make the legislation weigh toward the conservative side, then to prematurely fight and lose your leverage over any legislation.
We'll see how it plays out...
I don't think so, if McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems, repubs will remove the speaker.
In no world are repubs ok with giving up the advantage.
The key point is to utilize your leverage when it's most effective. And I believe that's with legislation (like Manchin and Senima) and not who's the speaker or majority leader (Senate).
The hardcore R's can still exercise incredible leverage over legislation, unless they get cut out of the process by a moderate coalition of R's and Dems. We'll see...
The fallacy of your conclusion is not realizing the speaker essentially dictates the House agenda and his unwillingness to commit to bringing certain legislation up for a vote and setting of certain rules around legislation is the very thing most the handwringing from the 20 holdouts is about
It's very hard to believe the other 202 R's are idiots and the 20 are the only ones standing between us and righteousness.
I'm very conservative and support the 20 getting the best deal they can, but if they push it too far they'll be on the outside looking in, which totally neuters them.
lb3 said:lb3 said:
Remember who the establishment wanted for president in 2016?
First it was Jeb Bush and when he flamed out they got behind John Kasich. They don't know their base.A block of House Republicans should get together with Democrats to pick a speaker to run a coalition government, which will moderate the House and marginalize the extremists.
— John Kasich (@JohnKasich) January 3, 2023
TX04Aggie said:
That was epic. Kudos to boebert, Hannity looked like the fool he is. I rarely watch him, because I cant stand him. I am surprised Gowdy is so pro McCarthy… guess he got the Fox memo..
Gowdy was nothing more than a blowhard- a republican that prospered by being in the minority party! Years of speeches about what should happen to the corrupt democrats!
The first thing he did when Republicans were in power was go along cheerleading the FBI in their fake Russia hoax. Never did he admit wrong even after it was proven their huge violations of the FISA courts!
Then he spent a lot of time instead of blaming the democrats for their incompetence on Jan 6th - he blamed Trump!
He earned his appearances on FoX ……….
MemphisAg1 said:The 20 can still hold power over the Speaker with their votes as a bloc, including his agenda. But if they get cut out, they have no power.flashplayer said:MemphisAg1 said:You could have a block of moderate R's combine with the Dems to elect McCarthy in exchange for a commitment to more moderate policies. I don't support that, but it's a possibility if the hardcore R's overplay their hand.10thYrSr said:MemphisAg1 said:They're playing high stakes poker. If they succeed in getting a more conservative speaker, it's a winning bet.10thYrSr said:C@LAg said:
at the end of the day, all of this is pointless because whatever the "republican house" manages to pass will automatically be shot down by the dems who vote as a block. always. even manchin.
so this is people pissing in the wind doing nothing else but getting piss all over themselves.
I disagree. This is sending a shot over the bow before we (the Republican party) go to war. The 20 aren't acting like this without feeling they have a foundation (and I feel they do).
This is the posturing before the war. In that context C@LAg, how would you prevent this war?
If McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems and moderate (R's), then the conservatives lose their leverage and it's a bad bet.
I would hold my leverage for what really matters, and that's legislation. Better to have a McCarthy speaker and hold your votes to make the legislation weigh toward the conservative side, then to prematurely fight and lose your leverage over any legislation.
We'll see how it plays out...
I don't think so, if McCarthy cuts a deal with Dems, repubs will remove the speaker.
In no world are repubs ok with giving up the advantage.
The key point is to utilize your leverage when it's most effective. And I believe that's with legislation (like Manchin and Senima) and not who's the speaker or majority leader (Senate).
The hardcore R's can still exercise incredible leverage over legislation, unless they get cut out of the process by a moderate coalition of R's and Dems. We'll see...
The fallacy of your conclusion is not realizing the speaker essentially dictates the House agenda and his unwillingness to commit to bringing certain legislation up for a vote and setting of certain rules around legislation is the very thing most the handwringing from the 20 holdouts is about
It's very hard to believe the other 202 R's are idiots and the 20 are the only ones standing between us and righteousness.
I'm very conservative and support the 20 getting the best deal they can, but if they push it too far they'll be on the outside looking in, which totally neuters them.
In no world will 20 democrats agree to do anything that 200 republicans think is a bill worth passing. Your whole idea is completely unrealistic. He can't flush a bloc of 20 in his own party or not a single bill will pass the house for 2 years. If he end-arounds them using half a dozen dem votes they will vote no with the dems on every single bill and continue to have the leverage.
McCarthy only needs 5 liberal/moderate R's to cross over and vote with all Dems to give him the speakership in exchange for a more moderate House.flashplayer said:
If McCarthy so much as whispers about a deal with dems to gain the speakership I'd wager large money that at least 50 GOP will defect away from him. At that point his political career is over short of switching parties.
I don't want that, but that's the reality.
My point is if the 20 R's think they have all the leverage, they're mistaken.
Hopefully cooler heads prevail and we get a conservative majority in the House.
It's pretty clear to me Mccarthy will do whatever it takes to stroke his ego
I'd expect this threat to be made sooner than later
I'd expect this threat to be made sooner than later
Congress has spent more time picking a House Speaker than they did reading that $1.7 Trillion Bill they just passed
— Mostly Peaceful Memes (@MostlyPeacefull) January 4, 2023
Zarathustra said:
This is just getting juvenile and giving credibility to the accusations that his opposition isn't based on serious principle.— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) January 5, 2023
You're not wrong.
That being said, you've got to admit that the entertainment level of the memes on Twitter have been cranked to 11.
Trump just posted this pic.twitter.com/fNtgrNnQRw
— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) January 4, 2023
Last straw for me -- I'm done with Trump. Give me DeSantis in 2024.
AggieKeith15 said:
Last straw for me -- I'm done with Trump. Give me DeSantis in 2024.
What has Desantis said about any of this ?
Supporting McCarthy- the 20?
AggieKeith15 said:
Last straw for me -- I'm done with Trump. Give me DeSantis in 2024.
Trump is a deal maker. It pains him to see actual politics take place.
Waffledynamics said:Trump just posted this pic.twitter.com/fNtgrNnQRw
— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) January 4, 2023
Can't wait to see what Lauren says about this tomorrow. I mean, he did say "maybe even great" after all. It might help.
AggieKeith15 said:
Last straw for me -- I'm done with Trump. Give me DeSantis in 2024.
Sorry man, he isn't a candidate so far.
If McCarthy were to tell the Freedom Caucus voting against them that they would have limited or no committee memberships, the Democrats might love that and support McCarthy just to keep them off of committees.MemphisAg1 said:McCarthy only needs 5 liberal/moderate R's to cross over and vote with all Dems to give him the speakership in exchange for a more moderate House.flashplayer said:
If McCarthy so much as whispers about a deal with dems to gain the speakership I'd wager large money that at least 50 GOP will defect away from him. At that point his political career is over short of switching parties.
I don't want that, but that's the reality.
My point is if the 20 R's think they have all the leverage, they're mistaken.
Hopefully cooler heads prevail and we get a conservative majority in the House.
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