TheEternalPessimist said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Jim Jordan has said he doesn't want the job. Ergo he is not a legitimate candidate.

And the McCarthy side has offered a candidate. The Clown Caucus has said no. The next step in a negotiation is for the opposition to offer a (at least semi) legitimate candidate for the position. This does not include people that don't want the job and one term congressmen that are not up to the task of being Speaker.

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Who has McCarthy side offered other than McCarthy?

And you are wrong on the "next step". The next step is for McCarthy to step down so that they can start fresh on candidates. HE is the head clown in a room full of clowns. They are the reason we have shifted left for decades. I can't believe people on this board still support a system that has proven to fail time and time again.

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Gaetz and the rest of the 20 see the danger of the whole process being permanently corrupted. The system itself hangs on by a thread. Without the accountability that the 20 want..... that thread will fail or even be cut.... and then what? I may be wrong, but this may be the last stand to save this Republic.

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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TexAg1987 said:

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Had the sound turned down. At who & what was Maxine yelling about?

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Had the sound turned down. At who & what was Maxine yelling about?

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Rosendale mentioned her by name in his speech nominating Donalds. He didn't do so disrespectfully. I thought he gave a great speech.

I could not hear what exactly she said, though.

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pagerman @ work said:

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1. They have offered a candidate.

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Who, are they a realistic candidate and would they take the job if elected?

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2. They have, by many accounts, been trying to negotiate the terms on which they'd support Mccarthy

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Except by the very words of the Head Clown in Charge quoted in the first post on this page they have asked for everything they could think of and they still won't vote for him. That is not negotiating in good faith.

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You mean head patriot? Your claim of bad faith is BS. They didn't say "we will accept you IF you do X, Y, and Z. and then later renege once he gave them that." After McCarthy showed them his ass, their stance became NOT McCARTHY. Period. It's McCarthy who is now offering crap to try to keep the job for himself and they are refusing. And Gaetz can't imagine anything McCarthy could offer now that would make them accept him.

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And that is a childish temper tantrum.

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You expect people to take you serious with this trash?

Are you telling me that if a political candidate told you to your face that he will completely ignore your point of view, that you HAVE to vote for him anyway otherwise it's a "tantrum"?


The McCathy side is talking openly about negotiating with the DEMOCRATS. THAT is a tantrum. Yet here you RINOs are defending it. That is disgusting.

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No, I am saying that a position of "NO" is not really a position at all in the absence of an alternative.

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And calling me a RINO is really funny, given that approx. 90% of the elected Republican representatives in the House agree with me. That would seem to make the 20 "patriots" as you so ludicrously called them the RINOs.

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No, they don't have any obligation to do that. They can just keep saying not Mccarthy.

Why is the onus on them to produce a viable second option? They simply just can say no to Mccarthy until the majority side puts up someone else.

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Jim Jordan has said he doesn't want the job. Ergo he is not a legitimate candidate.

And the McCarthy side has offered a candidate. The Clown Caucus has said no. The next step in a negotiation is for the opposition to offer a (at least semi) legitimate candidate for the position. This does not include people that don't want the job and one term congressmen that are not up to the task of being Speaker.

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Who has McCarthy side offered other than McCarthy?

And you are wrong on the "next step". The next step is for McCarthy to step down so that they can start fresh on candidates. HE is the head clown in a room full of clowns. They are the reason we have shifted left for decades. I can't believe people on this board still support a system that has proven to fail time and time again.

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Gaetz and the rest of the 20 see the danger of the whole process being permanently corrupted. The system itself hangs on by a thread. Without the accountability that the 20 want..... that thread will fail or even be cut.... and then what? I may be wrong, but this may be the last stand to save this Republic.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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aTmAg said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Jim Jordan has said he doesn't want the job. Ergo he is not a legitimate candidate.

And the McCarthy side has offered a candidate. The Clown Caucus has said no. The next step in a negotiation is for the opposition to offer a (at least semi) legitimate candidate for the position. This does not include people that don't want the job and one term congressmen that are not up to the task of being Speaker.

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Who has McCarthy side offered other than McCarthy?

And you are wrong on the "next step". The next step is for McCarthy to step down so that they can start fresh on candidates. HE is the head clown in a room full of clowns. They are the reason we have shifted left for decades. I can't believe people on this board still support a system that has proven to fail time and time again.

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McCarthy should only stand down if Donalds and the others who have been receiving votes do, too. There's no world where a guy receiving 10x the votes needs to step down because a guy only 5% of the chamber wants won't get out of the way

And Jim Jordan is no better a candidate than Donalds. They're both junk. You're not a good candidate if no one wants to vote for you

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There is NO TELLING who is the good candidate at this moment. People HAVE to vote for McCarthy because if they don't, and he wins, they get punished. THAT is the reason Jim Jordan got 20 votes. Not because only 20 like Jim Jordan. If McCarthy stands down, then that threat of retribution goes away and people can vote their conscience again. Under that circumstance, I guarantee Jim Jordan gets a crap ton more votes. Enough to get 218? Not sure. But we won't know until we try.

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The holdouts are more than free to go talk to the rest of the House and try to find a candidate that enough would vote for to put McCarthy on the back foot.

The bottom line is they've yet to put a serious candidate that could do that. They've had 9 opportunities and several days to do so and they've not.

They've put up jokers like Biggs, kept voting for a guy who told them to stop doing so (Jordan), and keep putting up a felon who has burned bridge after bridge since he joined Congress

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jrdaustin said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Or, perhaps the 202 believe that McCarthy has actually earned the job. That is a much more plausible explanation than your idea that fear is driving the solid support for McCarthy.

And it's not the fault of the 202 if they don't agree with the 20... or you. The 20 submitted their choice for leader - Biggs - during caucus in November. He lost 85% to 15%.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Jim Jordan has said he doesn't want the job. Ergo he is not a legitimate candidate.

And the McCarthy side has offered a candidate. The Clown Caucus has said no. The next step in a negotiation is for the opposition to offer a (at least semi) legitimate candidate for the position. This does not include people that don't want the job and one term congressmen that are not up to the task of being Speaker.

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Who has McCarthy side offered other than McCarthy?

And you are wrong on the "next step". The next step is for McCarthy to step down so that they can start fresh on candidates. HE is the head clown in a room full of clowns. They are the reason we have shifted left for decades. I can't believe people on this board still support a system that has proven to fail time and time again.

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McCarthy should only stand down if Donalds and the others who have been receiving votes do, too. There's no world where a guy receiving 10x the votes needs to step down because a guy only 5% of the chamber wants won't get out of the way

And Jim Jordan is no better a candidate than Donalds. They're both junk. You're not a good candidate if no one wants to vote for you

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TXAggie2011 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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No, they don't have any obligation to do that. They can just keep saying not Mccarthy.

Why is the onus on them to produce a viable second option? They simply just can say no to Mccarthy until the majority side puts up someone else.

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If you don't like the guy you've lost to by a landslide 9 times in a row plus in the caucus vote…put up a viable candidate or shut up.

Donalds has now ran 5 times and he's receiving fewer votes each time. The holdouts are a group that's lacking serious ideas at this point

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jrdaustin said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Or, perhaps the 202 believe that McCarthy has actually earned the job. That is a much more plausible explanation than your idea that fear is driving the solid support for McCarthy.

And it's not the fault of the 202 if they don't agree with the 20... or you. The 20 submitted their choice for leader - Biggs - during caucus in November. He lost 85% to 15%.

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aTmAg said:

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And the fact that the McCarthy side is openly talking about negotiating with democrats should disgust everybody here.


Where are your principles?

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txags92 said:

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jrdaustin said:

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aTmAg said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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aTmAg said:

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TRM said:

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Daddy-O5 said:

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This is exactly why 20 conservative Republicans are standing up against the Washington machine. Bacon just proved their point. https://t.co/5R1a8ovRwj

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 5, 2023

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Well, what did the 20 think is going to happen? For any piece of legislation, you're going to need 218. If that doesn't come from the GOP, they need to court the moderate and conservative Dems and give them more power over the process.

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Perhaps, McCarthy should do what is best for the COUNTRY rather than what is best for his own professional career. Maybe the 20 incorrectly thought he had a fiber of integrity. Looks like they might have been wrong about that.

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And why should anyone believe that the next person up for the position won't be opposed by these obstructionists?

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They might be but who cares? The point is that votes are had until a viable candidate is produced. The reality is the freedom caucus has enough power to force such debate. You simply cannot tell them to get in line

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Except for the small fact that they aren't even trying to have that debate.

All they are saying is no. Again, that is not a debatable position, that is a temper tantrum.

Offer a candidate so that we can have the debate. The only reason not to do so is to drag this out for their own individual political gain, i.e. "building their brand".

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Have you been paying attention at ALL? They have offered damn good candidates such as Jim Jordan.

It's that the meek 202 are afraid to vote against McCarthy because they don't want to face retribution. McCarthy needs to step the hell down, so everybody is free to vote for who they want, and THEN the 20 can nominate people again. Hell, maybe Jim Jordan would reconsider once McCarthy steps aside.


It's the McCarthy side that has refused to offer any alternatives. To pretend that is the fault of the 20 is a joke.

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Or, perhaps the 202 believe that McCarthy has actually earned the job. That is a much more plausible explanation than your idea that fear is driving the solid support for McCarthy.

And it's not the fault of the 202 if they don't agree with the 20... or you. The 20 submitted their choice for leader - Biggs - during caucus in November. He lost 85% to 15%.

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And that is the problem. In order to be elected to the position of House Speaker, he has to convince 218 people that he has earned the job. The fact that his leadership skills have been inadequate to convince the necessary # of Rs to vote for him during the two months leading up to this and for 9 votes over 3 days strongly suggests that he is not up to the task of unifying the caucus to face the challenges of the next two years. Regardless of whether he or the other 200 Rs voting for him think he has "earned it" in some unspecified way, it is time for him to pull out of contention and let the caucus settle on a leader that CAN unify them.

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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aTmAg said:

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And the fact that the McCarthy side is openly talking about negotiating with democrats should disgust everybody here.


Where are your principles?

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It only proves Gaetz and company right......

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Kevin McCarthy Caves
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-caves-n683774

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Good

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I hope it's true, but I have little faith that the ******* won't renege and still stick it to Americans (conservatives in particular).

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Hence the one-member motion to remove the speaker. If he acts like a weasel, we are right back to where we are now.

This is government in action.

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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aTmAg said:

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And the fact that the McCarthy side is openly talking about negotiating with democrats should disgust everybody here.


Where are your principles?

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It only proves Gaetz and company right......

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Gaetz is his own dude.

There have been many reports of the 20 attempting to negotiate to a better set of circumstances in exchange for a vote.


I personally think that if Mccarthy were to step aside and someone like Scalise take his place, this would be over

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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aTmAg said:

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And the fact that the McCarthy side is openly talking about negotiating with democrats should disgust everybody here.


Where are your principles?

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It only proves Gaetz and company right......

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How does it prove him right?

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GOP Rep. Don Bacon of Nebraska, a Kevin McCarthy supporter, told CNN that the speaker vote process could go on "for a long time."

"These folks do not know how to get to yes. They've been offered every concession, or met every concession. They just don't know how to get to yes. It's an embarrassment to them, our party, the House and our country. I think there is totalitarian states out there, look at those 20 and say this is why we don't want democracy. That's an embarrassment. ... We're going to be doing this for a long time," he said.

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No, they don't have any obligation to do that. They can just keep saying not Mccarthy.

Why is the onus on them to produce a viable second option? They simply just can say no to Mccarthy until the majority side puts up someone else.

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If you don't like the guy you've lost to by a landslide 9 times in a row plus in the caucus vote…put up a viable candidate or shut up.

Donalds has now ran 5 times and he's receiving fewer votes each time. The holdouts are a group that's lacking serious ideas at this point

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I dont think you understand. They don't have to do anything other than keep voting no. They don't have to put up another candidate. They don't have to do anything specific for this to continue.

Just keep voting no until Mccarthy is gone or he gives up too much for him.

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Ag CPA said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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aTmAg said:

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And the fact that the McCarthy side is openly talking about negotiating with democrats should disgust everybody here.


Where are your principles?

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It only proves Gaetz and company right......

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How does it prove him right?

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