Where is that from?74OA said:......or it could go this route with only a handful of Republicans needed to join with Dems to elect a Speaker:Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
"For about as long as Kevin McCarthy's ascent to House speaker has been in doubt, he and his allies have invoked a nightmare scenario for the ultraconservative House Freedom Caucus: If they thwart him, a handful of Republicans could join with Democrats to elect a moderate GOP speaker.
The play is obvious. They want the Freedom Caucus to fall in line for fear of this outcome, however plausible or implausible. And the man some have floated as the would-be speaker in this scenario, former congressman Fred Upton (R-Mich.), says he's interested."
McCarthy getting speaker?
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Yep. Agree.
HEREaTmAg said:Where is that from?74OA said:......or it could go this route with only a handful of Republicans needed to join with Dems to elect a Speaker:Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
"For about as long as Kevin McCarthy's ascent to House speaker has been in doubt, he and his allies have invoked a nightmare scenario for the ultraconservative House Freedom Caucus: If they thwart him, a handful of Republicans could join with Democrats to elect a moderate GOP speaker.
The play is obvious. They want the Freedom Caucus to fall in line for fear of this outcome, however plausible or implausible. And the man some have floated as the would-be speaker in this scenario, former congressman Fred Upton (R-Mich.), says he's interested."
We cannot have a minority controlling a majority and this hurts the Republican Party. It has been clear for some time that the American people have not been represented in DC.
This recent omnibus bill passed due to McConnell selling out including our own John Cornyn. They do not care about the American people for their lives are supported by huge benefits paid by the taxpayer. The bill contained huge earmarks for the special interest groups and will continue to fuel inflation.
Meanwhile drugs come across the border, illegal aliens, criminals, etc are flooding our nation and killing our citizens.
DC does not care for they are not effected. The US voter needs to wake up for our nation is lost. What will happen is an aristocracy has been created in DC and the beltway will control our nation. The rest will decay into a real low low class and there will be not middle class.
This recent omnibus bill passed due to McConnell selling out including our own John Cornyn. They do not care about the American people for their lives are supported by huge benefits paid by the taxpayer. The bill contained huge earmarks for the special interest groups and will continue to fuel inflation.
Meanwhile drugs come across the border, illegal aliens, criminals, etc are flooding our nation and killing our citizens.
DC does not care for they are not effected. The US voter needs to wake up for our nation is lost. What will happen is an aristocracy has been created in DC and the beltway will control our nation. The rest will decay into a real low low class and there will be not middle class.
OMG this is incredible pic.twitter.com/a9VTv52VEs
— Jack Cocchiarella (@JDCocchiarella) January 4, 2023
In countries with a number of parties, none of them in the majority, the legislative body supposedly requires that the various parties form coalitions. In such cases, from what I have read, a small party can wield a great deal more influence than their size itself would lead to.
Just curious if Frank Lundtz has shown up on any of the networks with a "poll"
Sixth vote will be the same at the seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth vote.
Our tax dollars hard at work.
Our tax dollars hard at work.
DC, Silicon Valley, and New York are the Capitol District and Districts 1 and 2 from Hunger Games. The rest are for generating resources that the power districts consume.Houstonag said:
We cannot have a minority controlling a majority and this hurts the Republican Party. It has been clear for some time that the American people have not been represented in DC.
This recent omnibus bill passed due to McConnell selling out including our own John Cornyn. They do not care about the American people for their lives are supported by huge benefits paid by the taxpayer. The bill contained huge earmarks for the special interest groups and will continue to fuel inflation.
Meanwhile drugs come across the border, illegal aliens, criminals, etc are flooding our nation and killing our citizens.
DC does not care for they are not effected. The US voter needs to wake up for our nation is lost. What will happen is an aristocracy has been created in DC and the beltway will control our nation. The rest will decay into a real low low class and there will be not middle class.
Paul Ryan's Fox News Channel pitches a massive hissy fit over McCarthy vote. They're angry because conservatives are no longer following their orders.
— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 4, 2023
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
The congress lady just ***** slapped the house democrats in grand style.
Saying Dems are enjoying this as evidenced by their popcorn and alcohol consumption.
Libs really are a bunch of classless, debaucherous asshats who don't give two poops about thus are just having a grand ol time at our expense.
If they cared about getting on with business at all, then why don't a few of them cross the aisle.
The great divide in this Country lies at the feet of the Democrat Socialist Party, where breaking ranks lands you in exile or is addressed with a call from HRC to the suicide hotline.
Saying Dems are enjoying this as evidenced by their popcorn and alcohol consumption.
Libs really are a bunch of classless, debaucherous asshats who don't give two poops about thus are just having a grand ol time at our expense.
If they cared about getting on with business at all, then why don't a few of them cross the aisle.
The great divide in this Country lies at the feet of the Democrat Socialist Party, where breaking ranks lands you in exile or is addressed with a call from HRC to the suicide hotline.
Daddy-O5 said:Paul Ryan's Fox News Channel pitches a massive hissy fit over McCarthy vote. They're angry because conservatives are no longer following their orders.
— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 4, 2023
Paul Ryan and Fox News ! What a joke
I like thisgbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
Exactly.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
If done intelligently, such a third party could have much more power than their size would indicate.
Been watching all day and yesterday. This is a poor take.Daddy-O5 said:Paul Ryan's Fox News Channel pitches a massive hissy fit over McCarthy vote. They're angry because conservatives are no longer following their orders.
— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 4, 2023
Like many classic Rs, they value decorum and tradition over change and principles. But they are not throwing a "hissyfit".
I am arriving there pretty quickly.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
Rand Paul and Matt Gaetz should declare themselves independents and work to establish the 3rd party.
Well said.fka ftc said:Been watching all day and yesterday. This is a poor take.Daddy-O5 said:Paul Ryan's Fox News Channel pitches a massive hissy fit over McCarthy vote. They're angry because conservatives are no longer following their orders.
— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 4, 2023
Like many classic Rs, they value decorum and tradition over change and principles. But they are not throwing a "hissyfit".
Holding onto our traditional values and keeping what works is preferred. If change is necessary, it should be done slowly and deliberately. Making massive changes quickly is a radical approach.
It would force coalition government. Something we may need for accountability.eric76 said:Exactly.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
If done intelligently, such a third party could have much more power than their size would indicate.
If someone is on the hard left, they should welcome this too. It makes a Socialist Party more viable to actually win seats without slapping a (D) on their name in urban cores and perhaps Vermont..
Psycho Bunny said:
Sixth vote will be the same at the seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth vote.
Our tax dollars hard at work.
What's the current record for the max number of votes before a speaker is elected?
I want RADICAL change --- which is the NULLIFICATION of federal law at the local and state level. Incrementalism got us into this mess.eric76 said:Well said.fka ftc said:Been watching all day and yesterday. This is a poor take.Daddy-O5 said:Paul Ryan's Fox News Channel pitches a massive hissy fit over McCarthy vote. They're angry because conservatives are no longer following their orders.
— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 4, 2023
Like many classic Rs, they value decorum and tradition over change and principles. But they are not throwing a "hissyfit".
Holding onto our traditional values and keeping what works is preferred. If change is necessary, it should be done slowly and deliberately. Making massive changes quickly is a radical approach.
in the 100's
gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
You realize if the current rogue members were a third party then Jeffries would be speaker, and the Dems would probably be close to a filibuster proof majority in the senate.
Edit: Actually, I guess Pelosi would still be speaker
1856 - 133 ballotsNo Spin Ag said:Psycho Bunny said:
Sixth vote will be the same at the seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth vote.
Our tax dollars hard at work.
What's the current record for the max number of votes before a speaker is elected?
No Spin Ag said:Psycho Bunny said:
Sixth vote will be the same at the seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth vote.
Our tax dollars hard at work.
What's the current record for the max number of votes before a speaker is elected?
153 i think in 1856
So be it -- let the Democrats prove how all they can do is burn this country to the ground. It's what their militant wing (Antifa and BLM) do in the streets. It's what their hoodlum voters do in the urban cores. So if they do so by nationalizing bad policy.... the catastrophe they create leads to their catastrophic defeat in 2024 and onward.rgag12 said:gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
You realize if the current rogue members were a third party then Jeffries would be speaker, and the Dems would probably be close to a filibuster proof majority in the senate.
If the GOP is simply going to be DNC-Lite, what is the point? It is better to resist the duopoly of the swamp at the risk of everything in the short term in order to win the long game...... which eventually the good and Godly people of this nation will win.
That is what I said. Now, I wish Fox was a bit more adamant about a non-McCarthy solution.eric76 said:Well said.fka ftc said:
Been watching all day and yesterday. This is a poor take.
Like many classic Rs, they value decorum and tradition over change and principles. But they are not throwing a "hissyfit".
Holding onto our traditional values and keeping what works is preferred. If change is necessary, it should be done slowly and deliberately. Making massive changes quickly is a radical approach.
Kilmeade is breaking it down well noting at least we are seeing the sausage being made.
With D's they make tubes of **** in the Schiff SCIF then try and sell it to the public as Grade A Consolidated Sausage that you must bite into to know whats in it.
TheEternalPessimist said:It would force coalition government. Something we may need for accountability.eric76 said:Exactly.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
If done intelligently, such a third party could have much more power than their size would indicate.
If someone is on the hard left, they should welcome this too. It makes a Socialist Party more viable to actually win seats without slapping a (D) on their name in urban cores and perhaps Vermont..
Really we should have 4 parties at this point. The freedom caucus/far right republicans, moderate/establishment republicans, establishment dems like most of the democrats in the senate and house, and the far left/quasi socialist dems like AOC, Talib etc. Would require a lot more negotiation and actually governing than what we have now.
Term limits will need to be put in place before another party can rise. These multi-decade house rats and senate rats from both sides of the aisle have led to this *******ization of democracy.
Of course, then one side would just join forces and blow the other out of the water. That's why we have coalesced into 2 parties in the first place.
Working within one of the 2 major parties is the way to get the most power. The freedom caucus is doing it right. The Libertarian Party is doing it wrong.
Working within one of the 2 major parties is the way to get the most power. The freedom caucus is doing it right. The Libertarian Party is doing it wrong.
In a Country where our Founding Fathers ensured minority voices must be heard and addressed, then this is a great example of that principle. If McCarthy wants to be Speaker, he needs to figure it out. If Rs want to be in charge, they need to figure it out.
Perfectly fine for these 5 to 10 holding the process hostage. Its how minority representation works.
Perfectly fine for these 5 to 10 holding the process hostage. Its how minority representation works.
This is exactly why we don't need a third party. The various caucuses are effectively third parties. Right now the Freedom Party are the last holdouts the Establishment Party needs to form their right of center coalition government.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
The Establishment Party is welcome to reach out to the Moderate Democrat Party to form a centerist coalition government if the Moderate Democrat Parties' demands are more palatable than the Freedom Party's.
45-70Ag said:No Spin Ag said:Psycho Bunny said:
Sixth vote will be the same at the seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth vote.
Our tax dollars hard at work.
What's the current record for the max number of votes before a speaker is elected?
153 i think in 1856
So this could take a while. Damn...
lb3 said:This is exactly why we don't need a third party. The various caucuses are effectively third parties. Right now the Freedom Party are the last holdouts the Establishment Party needs to form their right of center coalition government.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
The Establishment Party is welcome to reach out to the Moderate Democrat Party to form a centerist coalition government if the Moderate Democrat Parties' demands are more palatable than the Freedom Party's.
Under that model why have parties at all then? People could just vote for politicians and then the politicians could caucus as they please.
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