Kinda like the President and his son!Zarathustra said:A while ago, on CNN:
— Peter Sagal (@petersagal) January 3, 2023
Analyst: You remember that after Newt Gingrich resigned, Republicans managed to find a consensus candidate to be Speaker. @jaketapper: Yes, a child molester.
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CNN is so utterly predictable. Taking a cheap shot at Republicans over a 20+ year old issue that has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on now.Zarathustra said:A while ago, on CNN:
— Peter Sagal (@petersagal) January 3, 2023
Analyst: You remember that after Newt Gingrich resigned, Republicans managed to find a consensus candidate to be Speaker. @jaketapper: Yes, a child molester.
And they call themselves journalists - the most trusted name in news my a**.
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Tucker nails it.
If Kevin McCarthy wants to be Speaker, he's going to have to give his colleagues something real — actual concessions. He can start with these two things. pic.twitter.com/tzTajZjgaU
— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) January 4, 2023
Mccarthy needs to go and scalise is the answer to move forward.
McCarthy has been in congress since college, starting as a staffer. He's the definition of establishment. He's main qualification is time and he has some expectation that he should get this position because "he earned it." His ego is in his way.
McCarthy has been in congress since college, starting as a staffer. He's the definition of establishment. He's main qualification is time and he has some expectation that he should get this position because "he earned it." His ego is in his way.
Scalise
You don't even appear to have listened to the speeches on the floor.J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just uninformed. %A0Maybe half listening to one news channel?Irish 2.0 said:Over nothing?! McCarthy has literally said he will strip committee members of their assignments that aren't in lockstep with him!! That is nothing to you?!J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.J. Walter Weatherman said:Irish 2.0 said:Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.J. Walter Weatherman said:Irish 2.0 said:Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.45-70Ag said:aTmAg said:Like hell they are. %A0If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.45-70Ag said:
These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.
They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. %A0They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician
What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?
He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.
Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.
Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer. %A0
Who was the source of those reports?
Multiple republicans who were in the meeting.
Multiple Republicans in the meetings said the opposite and it appears they were the honest ones.
Really? Where's the list of demands that are remaining then? All I've seen is vague rantings about "draining the swamp" and pushing for someone who doesn't want the job. The sooner they can admit it's all just to get themselves more camera time the sooner we can all move on and stop wasting time in the majority. %A0
Leadership through threats, fear, and supression is the **** we're already dealing with with the potato as POTUS
I'm listening to their exact words, which so far have been yelling vaguely about "draining the swamp" and pushing %A0for Jordan, who doesn't want it. Feel free to summarize since you seem so well informed of what these morons are looking for (besides attention).
ETA - also forgot, complaining about the omnibus that was just passed that McCarthy had no control over.
As others have mentioned, the current situation has been expected for a month. McCarthy had no plan to prevent it. His only plan to resolve it now is to publicly smear members of his own caucus.Agthatbuilds said:
Mccarthy needs to go and scalise is the answer to move forward.
McCarthy has been in congress since college, starting as a staffer. He's the definition of establishment. He's main qualification is time and he has some expectation that he should get this position because "he earned it." His ego is in his way.
This debacle is a sample of McCarthy's leadership skills. It doesn't look great.
Ideology aside, McCarthy should be disqualified simply based on his inability to work within his own caucus to prevent an expected yet simple dilemma.
Agthatbuilds said:
Mccarthy needs to go and scalise is the answer to move forward.
McCarthy has been in congress since college, starting as a staffer. He's the definition of establishment. He's main qualification is time and he has some expectation that he should get this position because "he earned it." His ego is in his way.
So he's never had a real job is what I'm hearing
If any “Conservative” is calling 24 hours delay in voting for Speaker of the House “chaos,” after 30 years of the GOP betraying voters, they are NOT Conservatives.
— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) January 4, 2023
They’re defending the status quo.
And they defending the Swamp.
Period.
Ding, Ding, Ding!!Albatross Necklace said:As others have mentioned, the current situation has been expected for a month. McCarthy had no plan to prevent it. His only plan to resolve it now is to publicly smear members of his own caucus.Agthatbuilds said:
Mccarthy needs to go and scalise is the answer to move forward.
McCarthy has been in congress since college, starting as a staffer. He's the definition of establishment. He's main qualification is time and he has some expectation that he should get this position because "he earned it." His ego is in his way.
This debacle is a sample of McCarthy's leadership skills. It doesn't look great.
Ideology aside, McCarthy should be disqualified simply based on his inability to work within his own caucus to prevent an expected yet simple dilemma.
The arrogant, smug SOB had a year to figure this out. His hubris and inability to present even a modicum of humility brought us here. He could've engaged these members, but instead he ignored them and now he is being humiliated for it.
**** him. McCarthy is the problem here. Not the people standing in his way.
I didn't defend anyone. The tweet has nothing to do with the situation at hand. Sorry the point was over your head.milosh said:
Defending a child molester, bold strategy.
You should sit this one out.
aggiedent said:
Business as usual then, because the Republicans couldn't have F'd up the last election cycle more if they tried. Lets just turn off more and more voters.
Everyone in the last cycle that distanced themselves from Trump in some form did extremely well: Desantis, Abbott, DeWine, Sununu, and Youngkin.
redcrayon said:You don't even appear to have listened to the speeches on the floor.J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just uninformed. %A0Maybe half listening to one news channel?Irish 2.0 said:Over nothing?! McCarthy has literally said he will strip committee members of their assignments that aren't in lockstep with him!! That is nothing to you?!J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:This isn't and wasn't true, even this morning.J. Walter Weatherman said:Irish 2.0 said:Uhhhh....Have you not seen FoxNews where they're saying what they want. Even that nitwhit Broebert was saying their demands not but 10mins ago.J. Walter Weatherman said:Irish 2.0 said:Well maybe McCarthy shouldn't have brushed off their concerns and potential support while he was under the assumption the GOP would win in the midterms by a landslide and he wouldn't need to rely on their votes. This is of McCarthy's own doing. His arrogance got him here.45-70Ag said:aTmAg said:Like hell they are. %A0If they were self centered then they would have gone along with the 203.45-70Ag said:
These 19 are every bit as self centered as the 213.
They have their own interests and if you think they have what's best for you and I, there's no way. %A0They're every bit as power hungry as any other politician
What kind of leader ignores the people that he claims he will lead?
He's met with them repeatedly and they won't even say what their demands are at this point. Again, it's all grandstanding.
Stopped watching after the last vote failed so will check that out. As of this morning no one knew what their demands were according to the coverage though, so
that's what I was going off of.
Every report from this morning said that the final pre-vote meeting was McCarthy and everyone besides the no votes asking the no's what they wanted and they had no answer. %A0
Who was the source of those reports?
Multiple republicans who were in the meeting.
Multiple Republicans in the meetings said the opposite and it appears they were the honest ones.
Really? Where's the list of demands that are remaining then? All I've seen is vague rantings about "draining the swamp" and pushing for someone who doesn't want the job. The sooner they can admit it's all just to get themselves more camera time the sooner we can all move on and stop wasting time in the majority. %A0
Leadership through threats, fear, and supression is the **** we're already dealing with with the potato as POTUS
I'm listening to their exact words, which so far have been yelling vaguely about "draining the swamp" and pushing %A0for Jordan, who doesn't want it. Feel free to summarize since you seem so well informed of what these morons are looking for (besides attention).
ETA - also forgot, complaining about the omnibus that was just passed that McCarthy had no control over.
Chip Roy -
Key points
- Complains about the omnibus bill (nothing McCarthy can do about this)
- Complains about changing rules and procedures without saying what he wants to change.
- Says he wants the tools to "stop the swamp from running over average Americans" whatever that means.
- Wants people to come together to solve these problems.
- Nominates Jim Jordan and admits Jordan doesn't want it.
- Finishes by again saying he doesn't have the "tools to stop the swamp from rolling over the American people."
Gaetz -
- Opens with some solid grandstanding.
- Nominates Jordan (who doesn't want it)
- Talks about Jordan more.
- Talks about how the right person shouldn't want it and how McCarthy has apparently "sold shares of himself".
- The only thing resembling actual demands - voting on term limits (lol at that ever getting passed), border security (McCarthy already agreed to this as a priority as soon as the republicans take over), and balanced budget.
- Blames the republicans for the Omnibus bill (that they had no control over)
- Wants "more oversight"
Agreed this probably ends with Scalise, which is hilarious because he will do things the exact same way as McCarthy would have.
milosh said:
Defending a child molester, bold strategy.
New troll, Bold strategy.
uh...2012heisman said:aggiedent said:
Business as usual then, because the Republicans couldn't have F'd up the last election cycle more if they tried. Lets just turn off more and more voters.
Everyone in the last cycle that distanced themselves from Trump in some form did extremely well: Desantis, Abbott, DeWine, Sununu, and Youngkin.
KEMP?!?!
The Republicans better be careful and get this done, or...
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Irish 2.0 said:Ding, Ding, Ding!!Albatross Necklace said:As others have mentioned, the current situation has been expected for a month. McCarthy had no plan to prevent it. His only plan to resolve it now is to publicly smear members of his own caucus.Agthatbuilds said:
Mccarthy needs to go and scalise is the answer to move forward.
McCarthy has been in congress since college, starting as a staffer. He's the definition of establishment. He's main qualification is time and he has some expectation that he should get this position because "he earned it." His ego is in his way.
This debacle is a sample of McCarthy's leadership skills. It doesn't look great.
Ideology aside, McCarthy should be disqualified simply based on his inability to work within his own caucus to prevent an expected yet simple dilemma.
The arrogant, smug SOB had a year to figure this out. His hubris and inability to present even a modicum of humlity brought us here. He could've engaged these members, but instead he ignored them and now he is being humiliated for it.
**** him. McCarthy is the problem here. Not the people standing in his way.
Amen. Both parties were at fault for making this a public spectacle, but McCarthy should have had the leadership skills to get everyone in line. If he can make concessions to Democrats surely he can make concessions to fellow republicans.
House Republicans couldn't do much regarding the omnibus bill but senate Republicans sure could have. It was clearly, as stated by Romney, a big republican strategy to avoid dealing with the new house
This. If he can't whip for his own speakership then how the hell is he going to be able to actually lead the caucus. I mean this isn't ****ing rocket science. Politics is hard because of people's ego and self interest. But it's not THAT hard. He failed as hard as anyone in a century and he's going to be a great leader? Sorry, facts not in evidence.Zarathustra said:Irish 2.0 said:Ding, Ding, Ding!!Albatross Necklace said:As others have mentioned, the current situation has been expected for a month. McCarthy had no plan to prevent it. His only plan to resolve it now is to publicly smear members of his own caucus.Agthatbuilds said:
Mccarthy needs to go and scalise is the answer to move forward.
McCarthy has been in congress since college, starting as a staffer. He's the definition of establishment. He's main qualification is time and he has some expectation that he should get this position because "he earned it." His ego is in his way.
This debacle is a sample of McCarthy's leadership skills. It doesn't look great.
Ideology aside, McCarthy should be disqualified simply based on his inability to work within his own caucus to prevent an expected yet simple dilemma.
The arrogant, smug SOB had a year to figure this out. His hubris and inability to present even a modicum of humlity brought us here. He could've engaged these members, but instead he ignored them and now he is being humiliated for it.
**** him. McCarthy is the problem here. Not the people standing in his way.
Amen. Both parties were at fault for making this a public spectacle, but McCarthy should have had the leadership skills to get everyone in line. If he can make concessions to Democrats surely he can make concessions to fellow republicans.
Kiss of death..No Spin Ag said:Zarathustra said:As McCarthy’s fate remains uncertain, Trump - a day after waffling - steps forward and backs McCarthy
— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) January 4, 2023
Unclear if it will matter pic.twitter.com/FOi07hy7rh
I'd have thought he would've spoken up about his support of Kevin before voting started. Better late than never I guess.
Looking forward to the voting.
Uhhh...Yeah, the House GOP leaders could've stood up to McConnell and made him stand down. McCarthy should've done that. He doesn't have the balls to go against McConnell which is another problem in and of itself. McConnell should've been scared ****less and frightened to sign off on that POS omnibus bill. Instead he brushed off McCarthy and told him "Whatever."Agthatbuilds said:
House Republicans couldn't do much regarding the omnibus bill but senate Republicans sure could have. It was clearly, as stated by Romney, a big republican strategy to avoid dealing with the new house
Right, he could have said something but they couldn't have changed the house vote is what I meant. And maybe he did. It's just clear McConnell did not want to deal with a republican house in budget negotiations.
Without the threat of a thread derail, I wonder what Tom cotton got for his budget bill vote. He's the real surprise on that one.
Without the threat of a thread derail, I wonder what Tom cotton got for his budget bill vote. He's the real surprise on that one.
Irish 2.0 said:Uhhh...Yeah, the House GOP leaders could've stood up to McConnell and made him stand down. McCarthy should've done that. He doesn't have the balls to go against McConnell which is another problem in and of itself. McConnell should've been scared ****less and frightened to sign off on that POS omnibus bill. Instead he brushed off McCarthy and told him "Whatever."Agthatbuilds said:
House Republicans couldn't do much regarding the omnibus bill but senate Republicans sure could have. It was clearly, as stated by Romney, a big republican strategy to avoid dealing with the new house
What specifically could house republicans have done to "stand up" to McConnell? You are aware they are two different organizations correct?
I just love how so many out there are saying "you just don't understand how this is supposed to work."
We've been paying attention and we're pissed off at how it's "worked" for so long. What we need out of this House is oversight, b/c there won't be anything else that gets past the Senate that this President will sign that ANY OF US want. I want two years is investigations and fiscal restraint - and the latter was killed by the $1.7t omnibus. I don't want the House to pass anything that this President will sign - b/c there's nothing he will sign that's good for this country.
We've been paying attention and we're pissed off at how it's "worked" for so long. What we need out of this House is oversight, b/c there won't be anything else that gets past the Senate that this President will sign that ANY OF US want. I want two years is investigations and fiscal restraint - and the latter was killed by the $1.7t omnibus. I don't want the House to pass anything that this President will sign - b/c there's nothing he will sign that's good for this country.
LGB
Biden said he is not necessarily enjoying the fight in the GOP. "How do you think it looks to the rest of the world?"
— Bob Costantini (@CostantiniWHear) January 4, 2023
"This is not a good look." "And I hope they get their act together."
In Overnight Vote, Buffalo Guy Elected Speaker Of The House https://t.co/H9D2DwJq1Y
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This is how it's supposed to work. There's a group in the house unhappy with the leadership and they've banded together to force some change.
Mccarthy's ego and entitlement is the issue
Mccarthy's ego and entitlement is the issue
I gave you an example of a compromise in my post.RedHand said:Gbr1971 said:My answer to this idiocy of today?FbgTxAg said:
I don't necessarily disagree. But I'm curious as to what you think the answer is?
First of all this "fight" is over nothing. If the Gaetz and Boebert faction get a total capitulation from leadership no bill they want will become law. No bad laws will be repealed. The debt will be exactly the same if McCarthy is Speaker or if Jim Jordan is Speaker. So what's the point? This is all theater. This allows these idiots a higher profile to gain power and raise money. I'm fine having some sort of fight, especially if it gets rid of politicians like McCarthy if it actually meant something. This is over nothing. We should punish politicians when they pull this crap.
This theater from today just makes people feel better. It makes them feel better because they want politics to be entertaining. This is why we are a dumb populace. Politics should never be entertainment. It should be boring. Getting the cameras out of congress would be a good first step. Then it would not encourage the behavior we see daily with our politicians.
To get fewer idiotic representatives the most important thing that needs to be understood by both sides is that the other side will win power occasionally. You're not going to get everything you want. When you understand that you might want to limit the damage the other side can do. If you're not going to get everything you want you have to understand that the other side is going to get some of what they want. That means you will have to compromise. What a horrible word that is.
You know, I would have taken that deal Pelosi offered of building the wall with 25 billion in funds to allow the "dreamers" a path to citizenship. Instead we have millions of people pouring through the border because we have a President who doesn't care about the border. Because "my side" wanted all of the Mexicans to just go home AND build the wall, we let the other side create a crisis at the border after a lost election. But didn't it feel so good to let AOC have it with the crying at the border memes?
To take that type of deal and compromise would have been good governance. It would have also been boring. Make politics boring and fewer of these characters will get elected, and the few that do won't matter.
This would be all nice and ideal but Democrats very rarely compromise on anything. Why do Republicans always have to take the high road? I'm tired of it and I know that sentiment is shared across this board.
Nancy Freaking Pelosi offered Trump 25 billion to build his wall for a path to citizenship of the so called dreamers. Not all illegal aliens, but a subset of them. He was ready to accept it and then Ann Coulter got pissed and went on Tucker and the deal was killed. Then in a very Obamaesque fashion Trump's lawyers squinted their eyes and said he didn't need Congress to spend money and tried to divert less than 1/10th of the 25 billion number to pay for the wall. Which he never got to spend due to litigation.
So Pelosi was set to codify into law, not a dubious interpretation, but a law with funds appropriated the building of a wall on the southern border and we turned it down. Does that sound smart? Of course not, it was dumb and the "base" cheered it on. That's why we're a dumb people and get the government we deserve.
milosh said:Biden said he is not necessarily enjoying the fight in the GOP. "How do you think it looks to the rest of the world?"
— Bob Costantini (@CostantiniWHear) January 4, 2023
"This is not a good look." "And I hope they get their act together."
Now that's funny. Poor old dementia ridden idiot.
I said House leadership. You realize that they voted on the omnibus after the House majority was already secured by GOP in the elections? So all McConnell needed to do was not sign off on the ****ing thing and wait and then the GOP could put forth their own bill.J. Walter Weatherman said:Irish 2.0 said:Uhhh...Yeah, the House GOP leaders could've stood up to McConnell and made him stand down. McCarthy should've done that. He doesn't have the balls to go against McConnell which is another problem in and of itself. McConnell should've been scared ****less and frightened to sign off on that POS omnibus bill. Instead he brushed off McCarthy and told him "Whatever."Agthatbuilds said:
House Republicans couldn't do much regarding the omnibus bill but senate Republicans sure could have. It was clearly, as stated by Romney, a big republican strategy to avoid dealing with the new house
What specifically could house republicans have done to "stand up" to McConnell? You are aware they are two different organizations correct?
It is rather simple. "Hey McConnell. You back that Omnibus and anything with your signature and everyone elses signature on it goes to the bottom of the pile."
milosh said:Biden said he is not necessarily enjoying the fight in the GOP. "How do you think it looks to the rest of the world?"
— Bob Costantini (@CostantiniWHear) January 4, 2023
"This is not a good look." "And I hope they get their act together."
Biden accusing anyone else of creating a bad look for the country.
McCarthy is boehner minus the tan
The group of however many are no better than any other politician.
If the face of this is going to be Sebastian gorka and the my pillow lunatic………no good will come out of any of this.
The group of however many are no better than any other politician.
If the face of this is going to be Sebastian gorka and the my pillow lunatic………no good will come out of any of this.
Agthatbuilds said:
This is how it's supposed to work. There's a group in the house unhappy with the leadership and they've banded together to force some change.
They are using the tools provided to them. Mccarthy (and those supporting him) must realize they are not powerful enough to ram through their wishes. They simple didn't win enough in the elections.
Mccarthy's ego and entitlement is the issue
Meant to be an edit. Oops.
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