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7:44a, 3/6/21
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I think for most MCU films, the big action finale isn't the most memorable part - some other part is. That's not to say the finale is bad, but it may not be the highlight.

Obviously subjective but:
Civil War finale is great, but everyone remembers the airport fight
Doctor Strange reverse time battle is great, but most people remember the Dormammu part instead
Guardians 1, the final action piece is pretty good, but most people remember the dance-off
Winter Soldier finale is great but the highway sequence is even better

Maybe Iron Man 3 is the most memorable part, with all the suits? Avengers 1, since the final act is all fighting? I guess it's an interesting thought experiment. But I don't think it's really a criticism of all their finales because I can think of very few that aren't at least pretty good.
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8:00a, 3/6/21
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 8:03a, 3/6/21
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OnlyForNow said:
Dr. Horrible said:

Most of the rest of my comments are rather nitpicky.
Would have liked to see Strange or Fury at the end, but don't think that took away from the show.


So we haven't seen Fury or any other Shield folks since the snap. Wonder where he was during all this? Was only a few days/week max though right?


Well, shield doesn't exist anymore, and we saw fury in space at the end of Far From Home.

I think the Skrull at the end will tie into Secret Wars. The friend from above that heard she was grounded is probably Fury.
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In reply to Dr. Horrible • 8:20a, 3/6/21
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Overall loved the show. Repeating a lot of what has already been said.

Evan Peters was probably the biggest disappointment that the head fake ended up being absolutely nothing. It feels like a missed opportunity. They could have done a recast with a different actor and had the exact same story line play out, without having an expectation of some huge crossover because of the actor. And now they've burned him as an actor for the MCU without jumping through multiverse hoops.

Most of the rest of my comments are rather nitpicky.
Would have liked to see Strange or Fury at the end, but don't think that took away from the show.

Still would have liked to know about the FBI snitch that was in the town to understand that connection that brought him there in the first place.

Darcy brought some humor at times, but otherwise wasn't critical to the show in the end.

I think I would have liked the show better as a binge and I will probably enjoy it even more a second time through when I can watch it straight through.


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In reply to YouBet • 8:36a, 3/6/21
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YouBet said:
Dr. Horrible said:
Overall loved the show. Repeating a lot of what has already been said.

Evan Peters was probably the biggest disappointment that the head fake ended up being absolutely nothing. It feels like a missed opportunity. They could have done a recast with a different actor and had the exact same story line play out, without having an expectation of some huge crossover because of the actor. And now they've burned him as an actor for the MCU without jumping through multiverse hoops.

Most of the rest of my comments are rather nitpicky.
Would have liked to see Strange or Fury at the end, but don't think that took away from the show.

Still would have liked to know about the FBI snitch that was in the town to understand that connection that brought him there in the first place.

Darcy brought some humor at times, but otherwise wasn't critical to the show in the end.

I think I would have liked the show better as a binge and I will probably enjoy it even more a second time through when I can watch it straight through.


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8:37a, 3/6/21
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https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/lywv3x/elizabeth_olsen_has_been_misquoted_and_its_making/

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Elizabeth Olsen never said there was a "Luke Skywalker Mando level cameo". She was asked about casting that hasn't leaked yet in an interview she did on Feb 2.
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When asked if WandaVision has anything similar in store namely a casting that she can't believe hasn't leaked yet Olsen gave us a quick, "Yes." And though she dared not offer any specifics, she did share with a laugh that "I'm really excited" for viewers to see what (or who) is coming.
She never said Luke Skywalker level cameo. There are 2 quotes by her in the article and she says "yes" (about casting that hasn't leaked) and that she's excited.
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8:41a, 3/6/21
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Again, isn't the whole point of the multiverse that you are a different person in each?

Pretty sure if there is a spiderpig out there, it's not a big reach to have a non mutant, stoner version of quicksilver.
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9:02a, 3/6/21
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I thought it was fantastic. There's definitely tons of connections to future films that'll probably a lot more obvious in the next couple years
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In reply to Saxsoon • 9:20a, 3/6/21
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Saxsoon said:
YouBet said:
Dr. Horrible said:
.Overall loved the show. Repeating a lot of what has already been said.

Evan Peters was probably the biggest disappointment that the head fake ended up being absolutely nothing. It feels like a missed opportunity. They could have done a recast with a different actor and had the exact same story line play out, without having an expectation of some huge crossover because of the actor. And now they've burned him as an actor for the MCU without jumping through multiverse hoops.

Most of the rest of my comments are rather nitpicky.
Would have liked to see Strange or Fury at the end, but don't think that took away from the show.

Still would have liked to know about the FBI snitch that was in the town to understand that connection that brought him there in the first place.

Darcy brought some humor at times, but otherwise wasn't critical to the show in the end.

I think I would have liked the show better as a binge and I will probably enjoy it even more a second time through when I can watch it straight through.


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9:22a, 3/6/21
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My question left unanswered, who is Woo's witness? I do think they'll answer that in a future movie or show, but the whole sequence between Woo and Monica about this witness disappearing seems important even with all the misdirect going on.
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 9:25a, 3/6/21
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I never really saw that as being consequential. He follows it up by saying it's not a missing person but a missing town. So, they lost contact with some random informant on an FBI case but then it turns out the whole town is in the HEX.
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In reply to Capitol Ag • 9:29a, 3/6/21
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Capitol Ag said:
My question left unanswered, who is Woo's witness? I do think they'll answer that in a future movie or show, but the whole sequence between Woo and Monica about this witness disappearing seems important even with all the misdirect going on.

It might have been "Ralph Bohner". Either he was an aspiring actor or else the headshots of himself were so he could learn his witness protection character's identity. Somebody mentioned earlier in this thread that he laughed at his name, so it might have been a fake name.
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In reply to texasaggie04 • 9:43a, 3/6/21
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texasaggie04 said:
Capitol Ag said:
My question left unanswered, who is Woo's witness? I do think they'll answer that in a future movie or show, but the whole sequence between Woo and Monica about this witness disappearing seems important even with all the misdirect going on.

It might have been "Ralph Bohner". Either he was an aspiring actor or else the headshots of himself were so he could learn his witness protection character's identity. Somebody mentioned earlier in this thread that he laughed at his name, so it might have been a fake name.
He laughed at his name while under Agnes influence. Once his necklace was removed by Monica he became Ralph again. Thats how it was presented anyway.
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9:52a, 3/6/21
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That was a good show. Of all the series Marvel has planned, this one was the one I was least excited about, at least from the early publicity shots I saw. But it was Marvel, so I was going to watch.

The one thing I really noticed about this series is that, even though my wife and I had gone to see every MCU movie together (after the first 4 way back in 2008-2011, which she didn't watch until we got the blurays), my wife was very much looking forward to watching every Friday night for the last 9 weeks. That first episode really hooked her in a way that none of the movies ever did.

I think Bettany's troll job was epic and fantastic. Speaking of Vision, seeing this shot of White Vision

gave me a flashback to a scene at the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, of this thing

when it tilted its head similarly and had that same open mouth gaping thing going on there. Or maybe I was just drunk.

I also loved the shot of the family standing in the superhero pose on the street, calling back The Incredibles.

As others have stated, the overall theme of this show is Wanda dealing with grief, which is exactly what it needed to be. This show did not need to recreate any Avengers-level action. It did leave a couple of unanswered questions, such as the missing person, but on the other hand, it also introduced some new characters in Monica, the boys, and Agatha that were all compelling in their own rights. And hot damn is Elizabeth Olsen one fine looking woman, through all of her old TV series iterations right down to that Scarlet Witch outfit.

Given how the show aired on a weekly basis, I'm sure there are some details that I either flat-out missed or have overlooked/forgotten, so this show deserves a binge session one Saturday soon.
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10:03a, 3/6/21
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So did Agatha give Ralph his super speed power? I get that he was under her control but not sure how she's able to give somebody a mutant ability.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:07a, 3/6/21
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That's a really good analysis (he usually writes great stuff) that unfortunately made me like the show less overall. It pointed out a lot of strange/poor choices they made and things they could have made more clear.
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In reply to The Debt • 10:15a, 3/6/21
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I mean... this is the entire MCU, my dude. Don't know why the miniseries at the end of 23 movies is the one that sets you off. Probably one of the reasons I have always been a huge fantasy novel fan and never gotten into comic books. I'm sure someone like Brandon Sanderson puts more work into his novels than anyone does these scripts.

It's meant as entertainment, accept it and move on.
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In reply to The Debt • 10:20a, 3/6/21
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It's "shoddy" writing.

"Shotty" writing is what we saw in No Country for Old Men.
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In reply to Lathspell • 10:30a, 3/6/21
But not all the MCU is this inconsistent or spuriously bad with plot mechanics. IF phase 4 is going to delve deeper into magics and realities (strange 2, shang chi are both slated) they really need to tighten up the writing.

You dont need to make magic airtight so its limited and reduces mystery, but you definately have to step it up from WV.

But having consistent characters doesnt require extreme attention to detail. You just need to have a writer who thinks through each character. When you watch DD you get the impression with Fisk that the writers clearly developed background and motivations thus all his actions were consistent with his villainy. (The course of 3 seasons evolves him sure, but nothing seems out of character or inconsistent with his screen-established essence.)
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In reply to jeffk • 10:32a, 3/6/21
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In reply to The Debt • 10:41a, 3/6/21
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One major problem, if agatha cant use her powers within this space, how TF is she still flying? The moment those runes were up she should have Wile E Coyote'd down to westview.

Except Agatha started that spell before Wanda put up the runes.

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10:44a, 3/6/21
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These are minor quibbles compared to the vast majority of this stuff. The biggest, baddest villain in the whole series so far (Thanos) has a nonsensical goal, that if you think about it, makes him a complete dumbass, but it can be gotten over.
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In reply to JJxvi • 11:14a, 3/6/21
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These are minor quibbles compared to the vast majority of this stuff. The biggest, baddest villain in the whole series so far (Thanos) has a nonsensical goal, that if you think about it, makes him a complete dumbass, but it can be gotten over.
as nonsensical as it is, they established his rationale in his history, therefore his actions are consistent to his understanding.
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In reply to The Debt • 12:15p, 3/6/21
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Funny how quickly you change the goalposts.

Your original tantrum was because she lets her go from the basement.

That was addressed point blank in the opening seconds of the finale, so now it's about her flying after the runes were cast.

It's ok to be wrong. Just admit it and move on. Don't dig a bigger hole.
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12:17p, 3/6/21
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Knew I had this somewhere. Doing some clean out and work on the house. I also realized I have the full run of Secret Wars and Secret Wars II.


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In reply to The Debt • 12:24p, 3/6/21
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The Debt said:
JJxvi said:
These are minor quibbles compared to the vast majority of this stuff. The biggest, baddest villain in the whole series so far (Thanos) has a nonsensical goal, that if you think about it, makes him a complete dumbass, but it can be gotten over.
as nonsensical as it is, they established his rationale in his history, therefore his actions are consistent to his understanding.


Its pretty bad. Its really stupid. Population growth grows until it resources limit it. Anybody Thanos killed would likely be replaced within a generation. The snap would only take Earth back to 1970s levels. We would recover and be in the same situation in less than a few decades. It would be one thing if he kept the stones, but they acted like what he did was permanent
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In reply to JJxvi • 12:26p, 3/6/21
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To be fair, all living things includes all crops, plants, and even bacteria.
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In reply to [removed post] • 12:28p, 3/6/21
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Agree with other poster. First thing I thought when the rines came up was that agatha shouldn't have been doing any of the stuff she was doing. I guess Wanda's magic just let's her be able to do anything, including change her form because she was clearly looking like she was getting the magic pulled out of her. I get its thr most powerful magic in the MCU but agree the writing was a little lacking. Liked the show though


Wanda was clearly missing some shots, throwing them wildly about. This was her putting the runes up. She got drained until she activated them.

I first thought that maybe they were inside another illusion, like the salem one wanda created, that would have been cool as well.

Still agree that Agatha should have dropped like a rock once her powers were blocked.
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12:32p, 3/6/21
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The entire MCU is pretty much an extremely soft magic system that conforms to the narrative they want to tell. Trying to break it down and put it within any confines is a frivolous effort.
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12:34p, 3/6/21
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12:42p, 3/6/21
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At the end of the day, the reality is that "Book magic" is going to be fueled more by the readers brain and imagination and "tv/movie magic" is going to be more about creating a visual for the viewer. Thats whats happening with the runes and the flying, imo.
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In reply to JJxvi • 12:51p, 3/6/21
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JJxvi said:
At the end of the day, the reality is that "Book magic" is going to be fueled more by the readers brain and imagination and "tv/movie magic" is going to be more about creating a visual for the viewer. Thats whats happening with the runes and the flying, imo.
I disagree. I don't think the medium matters when looking at the overall impact of the narrative. In a book, you obviously have the benefit of more exposition and explanation, but that's what makes writing a good script so important.

If our hero does something that doesn't make sense in the overall magic system that has been explained to us throughout the narrative, it falls a bit flat.

At the end of the day, we don't know how the magic really works in Wandavision. Is her flying spell one that requires a constant drain on her energy, or is it a spell that is cast and then is in place unless broken by another witch or is stopped by the original spell caster? We don't know, because their magic isn't explained.

We don't even understand where the power comes from. From the fact they are throwing around magic that looks like some form of inherent store of energy they keep within them, I am assuming there is some type of source. However, that source seems to be unlimited

It reminds me of Dr. Strange's fight with Thanos' wizard when he tells him he will have a hard time breaking a dead wizard's spell. Why? What power is being fed into the spell when that wizard dies? Every fantasy story I have ever read tells me a spell must have a source of power to constantly be fed into it. For any long lasting magic, that source can be from anything, but it has to have a source.

Again, not a matter of "Book Magic" vs "Movie Magic". It is Soft Magic Systems vs Hard Magic Systems.
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