Speaking of small ARs, my evening project:

So has anybody tried to qualify for an LTC with an AR pistol?

jabberwalkie09 said:

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maverick2076 said:

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Rifle caliber. I already have a pistol caliber AR.

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You know, we do have a .50 Beowulf upper in store......

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txyaloo said:

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MGS said:

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So has anybody tried to qualify for an LTC with an AR pistol?

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That would be hard to do since you have to qualify with a .32 caliber or larger gun.

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Not as of Sep 1st.

Senate Bill 263 repeals the minimum caliber requirement (.32) for demonstrating handgun proficiency during the range instruction portion of the License To Carry course.

Alright, Law Folder. This is mostly an AR thread, but I didn't get into ARs first, I got into AKs because back in Ol Army AKs were actually cheaper than ARs and as a college kid that steered my decision making.

If I had to leave town and could only take one rifle, it would be my lightweight 14.5" AR build. I love that freaking gun and it is better than any of the AKs I owned in every way....except one. AK stocks can fold. Here is my 14.5" with my first rifle, a Saiga AK that was less than $300 back in the day.



That AK has a folding mechanism, so it can fit into a tennis bag. I could go with a more compact stock to save another inch or two on the AR, but even then the folded AK is smaller than the AR.



So, since I've mostly abandoned AKs and moved to ARs, what am I going to do for something small and portable? I tried other things like an MP5 clone or a Tavor. Small size, but didn't quite do it for me so I tried out the law folder on my 10.5" AR.



My 10.5" AR is the same size as the folder AK. Huge improvement, even before the folder. But it gets damn small folded:



Big fan of a 10.5" pistol (or sbr) with the law folder. All the things I like about an AR, in a package smaller than a folded AK.

Just for fun, decided to see how big my 7.5" 5.56 upper is in comparison to my MP5 clone with the law folder.





A 7.5" AR with a law folder is similar in size to my reverse stretch MP5 clone. That's...pretty damned impressive. 5.56 isn't ideal out of such a short barrel, but there are loads that still perform well out to ~100 yards in such a short barrel, which is about all I could really expect out of something PDW sized.

The Maxim pistol brace would make this thing even more compact than the law folder/brace combo. Might also consider changing over to a 300 blk barrel too, but I think the PDW AR concept might be getting a little more attention from me soon.

And just for fun, I call this the "giggle cannon" configuration.

Got a little inspired by some spare parts and our neighbors to the north tonight.

In the 80s while we were adopted the M16A2, the Canadians adopted this rifle, the C7 to replace their FALs:



It looks a hell of a lot like an A2, because they worked with the team designing the A2. It has the same government profile 20" 1:7 barrel as an A2, same handguards, stock, grip. But, the C7 retained the original M16A1 style sights and full auto instead of 3 round burst.

Eventually they upgraded to the C7A1, which is the same rifle but with a rail to allow optics mounting. The Canadian preferred optic is an Elcan 3.4x optical.



They used this until the 2000s, then decided a rifle with an adjustable stock would be easier to transport in vehicles, use while wearing armor, etc. But instead of going the US route of the 14.5" barrel and the collapsible stock, the Canadians use an H2 buffer and CAR stock, but retained the 20" barrels from their A1s and created the C7A2:



There are some pic rails at the front to allow accessories. The rumors are that initially they tested the same M5 RAS railed handguard used on the M16A4, but Knights couldn't supply enough to both the US and Canadian military so this other rail set up was adopted.

But, some Canadians did field test C7A2s with a M5 RAS:



The thought intrigued me, and since I have a CAR stock and a 20" upper with the M5 RAS on my A4 clone, thought I'd slap a "sort of C7A2" together (minus the Elcan, green furniture and a few other ambidextrous goodies).



I kind of like it.

It's not as front heavy as I was expecting, and makes the rifle shoulder better in armor than the A2 stock does, and I'm never unhappy about ballistics out of a 20" barrel. I don't know if its because I've been messing around with the 10.5" and under compact ARs lately or what, but it was nice to get back to a 20" gun tonight. Might keep my 20" upper set up this way for a while and see if the Canadians were onto something with this combination.