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Before I let my premium account expire

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CharlieBrown17 said:

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Is there a backstory to your collection of mil clones or just think they're neat?

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MTxTwelve said:

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Of the guns or the glow sticks?

TL;DR list (top to bottom):
M110 SASS
M110 Carbine or M110K1
Mk12 Mod 1 SPR
HK416
Block II CQBR

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The top two are mine, both SR25s (Top to bottom):
Clone of an M110 SASS made from an SR25 ECR (also the rifle in the first pic with the 14" suppressor). Chambered in 7.62 / .308, has a 20" SS barrel, Knight's URXII hand guard, and the scope is a Leupold Mk4 6.5-20x50 ER/T with a Horus H58 reticle and M5A2 adjustments, mounted in Badger Ordnance Rings. The suppressor (still in jail) is the Knight's M110 suppressor, made specifically for the platform.

Second rifle is an SR25 ECC, which is the commercial variant of the M110K1 or M110 Carbine. The rifle is chambered in 7.62 / .308, has a 16" SS dimpled barrel, MAMS brake, URX3.1 hand guard, and the scope is a Leupold Mk8 CQBSS 1.1-8x with a Horus H37D reticle in a Larue LT140 mount. Still need the Knight's QDC suppressor for this one.

Middle rifle (belongs to a friend of mine) is a clone of the NSW Mk12 Mod 1 SPR, made famous to the public by Marcus Luttrell's "Lone Survivor." Everyone wanted to know what rifle that was that took a beating--well, this is it. While Luttrell's rifle had the Leupold Mk4 TS30A2 scope, this one features the Nightforce 2.5-10x24 scope in ARMS #22 rings (which I prefer over the Leupold - I own/have owned both). The Nightforce has better glass and is more compact. The upper consists of a standard M4 receiver, 18" SS barrel profiled for the Ops Inc. brake and collar, Knight's FF Rifle-length RAS, PEQ-2 infrared laser, and an Allen Engineering AEM5 suppressor (essentially an Ops Inc. 12th model which are no longer made). The lower consists of an M4 receiver (real thing used a M16A1 lower) and A2 fixed stock.

Second from the bottom is an HK416 (also not mine). The piston upper has a 10.4" barrel and an older pica-tinny style, standard length HK416 handguard. a Knight's NT4 flash hider, a PEQ-15, and a Surefire IR flood light. The optic is an actual Eotech SU-231 (553).

Last, but certainly not least, is the Block II CQBR upper on an M16 lower (not mine). The upper consists of a 10.3" barrel, the Daniel Defense Mk18 RIS II, PEQ-15, Insight WMX200 IR floodlight, and Knight's NT4 suppressor. The optic is the Eotech EXPS3-0. The lower, as mentioned, is an actual M16 - which means it has the fun switch.

Let me know if you have any more questions!

ETA: Top of page pic. Here's the business end of the M110 Carbine. Mounted to the handguard is a PEQ-15, Insight WMX200 IR floodlight, and an Insight dual-pressure switch. You can also make-out, in pretty good detail, the MAMS muzzle brake.

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CharlieBrown17 said:

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http://www.crimsontrace.com/products/type/mvf-515/01-2330

Website says 150-200 lumen. Unscientific it's pretty damn bright.

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txyaloo said:

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The MP7 is definitely unobtainum even for most FFLs. I only know of a handful of post samples not in agencies hands. Also, HK is effectively the only game in town for ammo and they won't sell to dealers for demos. If you go to HK for anything full auto, they'll undercut you and go straight to the department/agency.

I love HK guns, but their business ethics are piss poor.

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MTxTwelve said:

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txyaloo said:

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The MP7 is definitely unobtainum even for most FFLs. I only know of a handful of post samples not in agencies hands. Also, HK is effectively the only game in town for ammo and they won't sell to dealers for demos. If you go to HK for anything full auto, they'll undercut you and go straight to the department/agency.

I love HK guns, but their business ethics are piss poor.

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Precisely. I have never understood why HK conducts themselves the way they do, but I still lust after a lot of their offerings.

The only people who have them at this point are either defense contractors or some random-ass FFL with HK ties.

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GeeBee said:

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I don't know who's in this video or who filmed it..same user as the one posted above... damn, I cringed.


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Mr. McGibblets said:

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My guess is the dude on the right....

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GeorgiaAg85 said:

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The answer is always harris.

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texags08 said:

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Mr. McGibblets said:

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My guess is the dude on the right....

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Unexpected flinch (bee sting etc.) by the shooter and that guy is wishing he wasn't there.

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BenderRodriguez said:

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MTxTwelve said:

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Precisely. I have never understood why HK conducts themselves the way they do, but I still lust after a lot of their offerings.

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Alright, it is knowledge bomb dropping time.

H&K started producing the G3 series of rifles in ~1959. By 1962, they were importing semi auto G3s to the United States. In fact, for a time the Colt SP1 and semi auto G3 variant brought in by H&K were the only "military style" rifles being sold in the US (and in the 80s the HK 93 in 5.56 was actually cheaper than a Colt AR-15). In 1966, the shenanigans started. The US government didn't like that the semi auto G3s imported to the US only needed a bolt swap and a trigger housing replaced (two push pins) to convert to full auto, so they insisted H&K weld up the front hole, then eliminate it all together. H&K complied with US government restrictions, and kept importing both G3s along with a variety of bolt action and semi automatic hunting rifles, addition to pistols such as the now iconic P7. They even had an arrangement with a little Italian company to import their shotguns to the US...a company called Benelli.

So they were importing guns left and right to the US, building facilities here and in short were loving selling guns to US customers. So what the hell happened?

In 1989 an executive order by George H.W. Bush reinterpreted the 1968 GCA's "sporting purposes" clause and declared that there was no sporting purpose for semi automatic rifles like the H&K 9x series, SIG 550s, FALs, AK-47s, etc. The ATF did ask for comments on this decision from gun magazine writers, industry people, manufacturers, state game commissioners, etc. The only company to put up a fight? H&K, who ran an ad in Shotgun News imploring owners of H&K firearms to write to the ATF about how they used their rifles for sporting purposes and describing all the sporting ways their products could be used. But their import was banned, and H&K was left with thousands of dollars in rifles sitting on the dock that had to be shipped back to Germany on their dime. What was their response to this? They spent money and tooling investment to create the SP89, a civilian semi auto version of the MP5k, since pistol imports had not been banned like semi auto rifle imports. What sort of reception did they get for this investment of time and energy? The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which banned the SP89 too.

Despite the US government costing them money and banning many of their products twice in 5 years, H&K continued to import pistols and hunting rifles during this time, and even produced neutered versions of their other firearms for import, such as the USC (a UMP 45) and the SL8 (a G36...sort of).

So now that the AWB has expired, why aren't they making us MP7s, MP5s, G36s, etc? Well, two reasons. 1) the '89 import ban still stands. 2) The German government (if you can believe it) is even more stupid on the subject of H&K than the US govt is. The German government funded the research and development of both the G36 and the MP7 and doesn't want us ordinary civilians to get our hands on something they spent money creating. Heck, even though H&Ks 416 was in production by 2005, was mostly based on US designs anyway and they wanted to import/sell them here, between the US govt and the German Govt it took until 2011 (6 freaking years!!!) to get them to allow partial importation of 416 parts, which are then finished here at facilities in the US (which is why the MR556 & MR762 are so damned expensive, but finally available).

The TL/DR version? H&K does not hate you. Not at all. H&K wants to sell you guns. The US Govt and the German govt? They hate you AND they hate H&K. And also money. They hate money too.

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MTxTwelve said:

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texags08 said:

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Mr. McGibblets said:

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My guess is the dude on the right....

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Unexpected flinch (bee sting etc.) by the shooter and that guy is wishing he wasn't there.

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Eh, I wasn't there but it looks like a controlled shooting environment to me. So long as his muzzle doesn't cross into that plain, he's fine. Seems like they're following protocol of most 3 gun matches.

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MTxTwelve said:

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texags08 said:

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Mr. McGibblets said:

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My guess is the dude on the right....

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Unexpected flinch (bee sting etc.) by the shooter and that guy is wishing he wasn't there.

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Eh, I wasn't there but it looks like a controlled shooting environment to me. So long as his muzzle doesn't cross into that plain, he's fine. Seems like they're following protocol of most 3 gun matches.

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