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Bender's Big AR-15 & Semi Auto Shilling Thread

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In reply to txyaloo • 8:06a, 5/9/16
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I would skip the Choate stock. They're pretty terrible. Mine is sitting in my parts bin.

Since you have an RS, you can run an A3, but I think the best option for a folder on the 9X guns is a B&T. They're well worth the extra few hundred over a Choate.
Just wish that B&T had a US made option for 922r compliance. The one benefit of the Choate.
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In reply to Aggietaco • 8:37a, 5/9/16
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I would skip the Choate stock. They're pretty terrible. Mine is sitting in my parts bin.

Since you have an RS, you can run an A3, but I think the best option for a folder on the 9X guns is a B&T. They're well worth the extra few hundred over a Choate.
Just wish that B&T had a US made option for 922r compliance. The one benefit of the Choate.
I completely understand why some people strictly follow 922r, but I've never been one of those folks for my personal guns. If I have BATFE looking closely enough at one of my guns to prosecute me for a 922r violation, I likely will have bigger issues to deal with. I don't know of anyone that's been charged under 922r as a stand alone offense.

Hesse use to make a B&T clone that folded to the left instead of right, but they were pretty poorly made.
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In reply to BenderRodriguez • 8:59a, 5/9/16
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I want to get a 7.62 semi at some point. Any recommendations comparing AR-10, G3 or FAL clones? Or something else I haven't considered.


Oh, I'm going to ruffle some feathers on this one... I'll elaborate later more, but here it goes. There are some exceptions to every rule but in general how I'd rate them (haven't owned all, but have shot all 4)

Accuracy and Customizability: AR-10>G3>FAL/M1A

Reliability: G3>FAL/M1A/AR-10

Magazine reliability/availability: AR-10/G3>FAL/M1A

Ergonomics: AR-10>G3/FAL/M1A

If you want the best overall option, the parts available for the AR-10 make it the clear winner, even without adding in magazine availability and other advantages, not to mention familiarity if you're an AR-15 shooter.

Out of the old school options I far prefer the G3. Super easy to customize with a variety of stock and handguards options, the new models come with a top rail so they're easy to mount optics on, a randomly selected rack G3 will likely be more accurate than a random rack FAL or M1A. Magazines are cheaper, more available and very reliable, and the gun is just rugged. G3s do not have the same name brand recognition or sentiment attached to it in the US as the M1A. G3 has better sights than the FAL (M1A is on par), G3 is lighter and shorter, which is nice if you're going to carry it around or hog hunt with it.

My opinion. Others will be along to yell about anyone disparaging the M1A shortly.



Very helpful post Bender. Definitely confirms my personal bias in favor of the AR platform. Before I take the plunge I do want to get some range time with the rifles. Next step is finding a place where I can rent these.
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9:09a, 5/9/16
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Academy ad has the Bushmaster with red-dot scope on sale for $699. The DPMS is on sale for $499.
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2:24p, 5/16/16
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Roller madness continues.

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3:09p, 5/31/16
Best thread on TA, thanks for all the great info
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3:17p, 5/31/16
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Just a Memorial Day meeting of the well regulated militia.

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3:19p, 5/31/16
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Hey Bender, you gonna hop on the SP5K waiting list?

I was going to SBR a quarter circle 10 dedicated 9mm glock mag lower, but now I'm even more torn.

major first world problem here.
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In reply to TheEyeGuy • 4:11p, 5/31/16
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Great gun, especially for the price. I do have a couple in store if you happen to be down my way.


How much are you letting them go for?
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In reply to BenderRodriguez • 4:17p, 5/31/16
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Nice! Please tell me you plan to SBR this bad boy.
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In reply to testosterbone • 4:17p, 5/31/16
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Great gun, especially for the price. I do have a couple in store if you happen to be down my way.


How much are you letting them go for?
$799. One left
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In reply to TheEyeGuy • 4:25p, 5/31/16
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Sort of thread related- do you have any SilencerCo specwar/omega flash hiders (7.62) in stock? Also, what's your price and lead time for the vortex Sparc AR?
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In reply to RebelE Infantry • 5:26p, 5/31/16
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I will get back on this tomorrow.
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In reply to MROD92 • 6:53p, 5/31/16
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Best thread on TA, thanks for all the great info


Glad you enjoyed it! Now go buy some more evil black rifles.
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In reply to RebelE Infantry • 6:54p, 5/31/16
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Nice! Please tell me you plan to SBR this bad boy.


Absolutely. Already have the meat tenderizer stock for my full size, so it's going to be a G3kA4 clone.
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In reply to 35chililights • 6:56p, 5/31/16
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Hey Bender, you gonna hop on the SP5K waiting list?

I was going to SBR a quarter circle 10 dedicated 9mm glock mag lower, but now I'm even more torn.

major first world problem here.


Nope, already have a reverse stretch clone, and I have some other roller projects in the works. (That G3k I'm SBRing is going to be a Goldilocks gun, if that gives you any hints)
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8:23p, 5/31/16
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I got my second a few weeks ago.

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In reply to BenderRodriguez • 8:56p, 5/31/16
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What do you think of that price point? Surely it'll fall from that level, right?
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In reply to 35chililights • 11:25p, 5/31/16
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What do you think of that price point? Surely it'll fall from that level, right?
Eyeguy offered to do a group buy on them at IIRC $1600 if he could get 10 people to buy. That's a great deal if he can get the price that low.

NIB SP89s go for 3-4x that.
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In reply to txyaloo • 12:07a, 6/1/16
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I'd be in on that deal. And while the price of those are high, will they continue to be with this being imported? I dunno.
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In reply to 35chililights • 12:21a, 6/1/16
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Not sure if they'll change... Zenith is rather proud of their pricing. I had to beat the hell out of them on pricing several times because they were doing some stupid "dealer pricing is 10% less than MAP" crap. Was like, no, I am not interested at all in doing it at that price point.
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In reply to TheEyeGuy • 7:57a, 6/1/16
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How many more do you require to reach the 1600 price point?
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8:11a, 6/1/16
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Other than PSA and Texian, what website do you guys look on to buy well made, affordable parts?

I have already bought my bcg, charging handle and complete lower with magpul furniture.

TIA
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 8:14a, 6/1/16
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I'm a fan of Rainier Arms if I'm buying online.
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8:18a, 6/1/16
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Primary Arms in Pearland runs some good sales once or twice a month and ships really quickly
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8:19a, 6/1/16
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Red Barn Armory is also good. They are in Manvel
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In reply to 35chililights • 8:27a, 6/1/16
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I'd be in on that deal. And while the price of those are high, will they continue to be with this being imported? I dunno.
Good question, and I wonder the same.

I expect the prices will stay higher on the SP89 since they're "original" imports. It'll be interesting to see if the market shifts.

If these SP89s sell well, I could see HK trying to bring back the HK94 also. They already have a plant in the US and could manufacture key parts here to get around the German export ban and US import ban. That could completely tank the market for "pre-ban" roller locks, but I could still see guys paying a premium for the older, all German guns with the appropriate German proof marks. This is one reason prices are so high still for genuine HKs compared to the newer clones that run just as well.

As Bender has found, roller locks are a sickness. They're like a bag of potato chips. You can't have just one. Eventually you'll have enough to need a roller lock safe.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 8:29a, 6/1/16
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Other than PSA and Texian, what website do you guys look on to buy well made, affordable parts?

I have already bought my bcg, charging handle and complete lower with magpul furniture.

TIA
Primary Arms - you will have to pay tax if you're in Texas but prices are good.
AIM Surplus
APEX Gun Parts
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8:37a, 6/1/16
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I saw primary arms, anything to avoid on there. Some of there uppers seemed way too cheap
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8:40a, 6/1/16
JoeBob Outfitters, Geaux Armory, www.slickguns.com
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In reply to txyaloo • 9:29a, 6/1/16
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As Bender has found, roller locks are a sickness. They're like a bag of potato chips. You can't have just one. Eventually you'll have enough to need a roller lock safe.

Very much so.

I honestly don't know what prices are going to do on either the new HK imports or the foreign imports. Some people find it really, really important to own stuff actually made by HK, but considering how many clones I've seen run with full auto sears, abused the heck out of and still running I'm less fussy about it than a lot of the HK kool aide drinkers. My biggest excitement about the HK imports is that maybe it'll drive clone pricing down, to be honest.

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9:41a, 6/1/16
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As far as websites go, it really depends on the part. A lot of times the manufacture will have it cheaper ( or at least in stock) than other retailers.

Current build saw parts from
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/

http://www.seekinsprecision.com/

https://www.rainierarms.com/

https://www.jprifles.com/

http://yhm.net

http://www.brownells.com

http://slrrifleworks.com

http://www.opticsplanet.com/

https://www.windhamweaponry.com/

http://www.selwayarmory.com/

https://www.santantactical.com/

When the Form 1 finally gets approved (filed on Feb 3rd), and I assemble it, I'll post up a pic.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 10:51a, 6/1/16
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I saw primary arms, anything to avoid on there. Some of there uppers seemed way too cheap
All good stuff. The cheap Radical Firearms uppers are made in Texas and generally work well.

Just know you'll pay sales tax on anything you buy from PA, but most orders are delivered next day. If you're in Houston, you can drive down to Pearland and pick up your order.
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12:34p, 6/1/16
Anyone have a good contact on where to have a lower shipped in San Antonio and approximate price?
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In reply to BenderRodriguez • 9:16p, 6/1/16
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As Bender has found, roller locks are a sickness. They're like a bag of potato chips. You can't have just one. Eventually you'll have enough to need a roller lock safe.

Very much so.

I honestly don't know what prices are going to do on either the new HK imports or the foreign imports. Some people find it really, really important to own stuff actually made by HK, but considering how many clones I've seen run with full auto sears, abused the heck out of and still running I'm less fussy about it than a lot of the HK kool aide drinkers. My biggest excitement about the HK imports is that maybe it'll drive clone pricing down, to be honest.

Sorry for the noob question but what is a roller lock versus a normal AR?

Also, I have a 16in AR15 from stag arms that I think needs a light to investigate strange noises in the dark now that we are living semi-rural. I may have heard my first fisher tonight or the alarm call of a fox while my cat is outside and reports of a large black bear nearby; I went outside with my two GSDs (even though the ***** has only 3 legs) and my AR with a flashlight held along the handguard. Crazy, crazy noise.

The handguard on my AR has no holes or railing so I likely will buy a handguard to match the light and would prefer a light in the 700-1100 lumen range. Any recs for $100 to $150?
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