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CharlieBrown17
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In reply to 35chililights • 9:19p, 6/21/16
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I almost went with a 16.5" of another brand but the ALGs went on sale so I went that way with it. I dislike exposed barrel on ARs, it just doesn't look as good to me.

The carbine I posted earlier will probably get a 12 or 13" handguard eventually.

I like that setup you posted, very slick
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35chililights
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9:30p, 6/21/16
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I have a competition this fall that i've been invited to be the 'carbine' partner to the long range guy. I'm expected to engage steel from 0 to 500 yards. All I have at the moment in a caliber I want to use (.223) is that 16" in the prior photo. I still have that red dot on it that you see on it, as well.

My question is, how can I get that rig hitting steel out at 500 yards with minimal upgrades?
Im considering some cheap vortex glass, and mounting that red dot at a 45 degree. I've not run a setup like that. Thoughts?

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9:35p, 6/21/16
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I can ring a 8" wide by 12" tall steel out to 400 (farthest range I've tried) with my carbine and a Primary Arms ACSS 4x scope pretty consistently. If I was using something other than XM855 I would probably be hitting almost every time. Right now its probably 7 of 10.
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In reply to Pasquale Liucci • 9:40p, 6/21/16
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FWIW I strongly second all the points EyeGuy makes regarding the 6.8. He built me one a couple months ago and it is freaking sweet.

Unless you just really want to run suppressed or do an SBR for your first gun, I don't see a huge point in the 300. Don't get me wrong, great round, but suppressed/short barrel applications is where it really distinguishes itself.

The 556 is a nice, fast, versatile and readily available round. If you plan to be shooting a ton, price of ammo is certainly something to think about.

6.8 is much more expensive to shoot but shouldn't be a huge issue unless you're just running through it by the 100s every weekend (in which case I'm supremely jealous). Like EyeGuy said, the additional oomph you're gonna get out of the 6.8 is nice as well. You'll be shooting 120ish gr bullets instead of 55-62. Those same heavier bullets will still be really cooking out to 250-300 yards and beyond that very very capable of taking most game in the hands of a competent shooter. 6.8 is no 6.5 Grendel but it has some very above average ballistics.

Oh and see Rule 1 compliance below on my 6.8
Is this the standard eye guy armadillo? Or loaded with other options? Wasnt a representative pic on website. Will prob give eyeguy a call tomorrow.
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35chililights
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In reply to CharlieBrown17 • 9:54p, 6/21/16
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Never mind. I just looked at the rules. I can run only one optical sight. I guess i'll pull off that 1-6x24 I have on my 300blk. Or maybe I'll buy a new scope... Or maybe...

It. Never. Ends.
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In reply to BenderRodriguez • 9:56p, 6/21/16
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Had a good day at the range yesterday breaking in the new 10.5" pistol. Black guns are fun.


Bender, I have a dumb question about your pistols:
1. Are you allowed to have a butt stock on them? Some of the sites I was ready said no and that is considered a SBR....then again it is internet lawyering....
2. Are forward grips allowed on ar pistols?

I appreciate any insight because building on of those little guys I can see doing in the near future! Thanks!
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In reply to 35chililights • 9:57p, 6/21/16
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Iffffff you were to go with a new optic....

My choices would either this or this
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Pasquale Liucci
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In reply to jeremy360 • 9:57p, 6/21/16
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Most of what you see there is standard minus the Harris bipod and glass. Paid a little extra for the cerakote, billet option on the lower and Magpul furniture. The stuff EyeGuy puts in his standard Armadillo series builds are first rate compared to what you'll get stock anywhere else and at a very competitive price point.

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In reply to Satellite of Love • 10:11p, 6/21/16
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As pictured, his is a rifle, with the sig brace not being considered a stock.

Not a vertical grip, no.
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In reply to Naveronski • 10:14p, 6/21/16
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What makes it a rifle? If the sig brace doesn't matter (unless you shoulder it - according to this thread) why is it considered a rifle?


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35chililights
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In reply to CharlieBrown17 • 10:23p, 6/21/16
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Iffffff you were to go with a new optic....

My choices would either this or this
That strike eagle is what i put on top my 300blk. For 300 bucks, its pretty damned good.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 10:31p, 6/21/16
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What makes it a rifle? If the sig brace doesn't matter (unless you shoulder it - according to this thread) why is it considered a rifle?


I think you two might be talking about different guns.

The top on is considered an SBR - shorter barrel than 16" OR under 26" overall, but has a butt stock and vertical forward grip.
The middle is a pistol - it has a SIG brace, not a butt stock and no vertical forward grip, but is under a 16" barrel OR under 26" overall.
The lower is a bullpen design - it pulls the barrel back to get a smaller overall length but keeps the barrel longer than 16". It is has a 16.5" barrel and has an overall length of 26.1".
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In reply to 35chililights • 10:49p, 6/21/16
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Gotcha ... Yeah I was talking about the second AR, just above the Tavor, with the sig brace.
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In reply to 35chililights • 10:51p, 6/21/16
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So on the pistol, you're not allowed to have the forward vertical grip? Unless you declare it a SBR, right?

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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 11:00p, 6/21/16
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Angled is ok, however.
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35chililights
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In reply to TheEyeGuy • 11:03p, 6/21/16
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Makes perfect sense, these laws. Based on logic and everything.
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In reply to 35chililights • 11:21p, 6/21/16
AG
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What makes it a rifle? If the sig brace doesn't matter (unless you shoulder it - according to this thread) why is it considered a rifle?


I think you two might be talking about different guns.

The top on is considered an SBR - shorter barrel than 16" OR under 26" overall, but has a butt stock and vertical forward grip.
The middle is a pistol - it has a SIG brace, not a butt stock and no vertical forward grip, but is under a 16" barrel OR under 26" overall.
The lower is a bullpen design - it pulls the barrel back to get a smaller overall length but keeps the barrel longer than 16". It is has a 16.5" barrel and has an overall length of 26.1".

Actually the top gun isn't an SBR. It's a 16" midlength, but its in dissipator configuration, which is why the front sight post is so far forward and makes it look funny.

It's a great gun.

The others pretty much answered the questions you have I think, but if they missed anything feel free to ask again. Sorry if I missed anything.
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35chililights
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In reply to BenderRodriguez • 11:24p, 6/21/16
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That's weird. It messes with my eyes.
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In reply to 35chililights • 11:38p, 6/21/16
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Dissipators are a little weird, but I like them.

I'm a little weird too, so it's a good fit.

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In reply to TheEyeGuy • 11:41p, 6/21/16
AG
That's so weird and also scary. I am concerned the knowledge of most LEOs on these laws is not up to par.

That being said, I don't really have any reason to have any encounters with the law so I guess it's not an issue, for me.
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11:48p, 6/21/16
Never break two laws at the same time and you will be ok.
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Satellite of Love
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6:09a, 6/22/16
Thanks for the clarification everyone.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 6:13a, 6/22/16
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What makes it a rifle? If the sig brace doesn't matter (unless you shoulder it - according to this thread) why is it considered a rifle?



Sorry, typo. Meant to say it is not a rifle.
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5:04p, 6/27/16
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Since this thread seems to have been well received:

I've been toying with the idea of starting a "get better at shooting pistols" thread for discussion and maybe to do a drill of the month challenge, where OB pistol shooters can try out some different shooting drills/work on improving their pistol shooting.

Thoughts?

And yes, this shift of interest back to pistols brought to you by my latest handgun purchase.
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5:49p, 6/27/16
I'd love this. I've read a couple of books lately that have given me techniques that have improved my shooting (both speed and accuracy) and I would love to continue that.
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9:40p, 6/29/16
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So i have a dilemma. I was gifted an Oden works 9.5" free float key mod upper. It looks freaking sweet on my build BUT.... when i assembled it the gas block is at the end of the forend. I would assume this doesnt matter functionally but astetically it could look better i guess.

My question is, do they make an extenaion piece that i could add on to the end of my forend in order to cover the gas block and cover additional length of the barrel. TIA
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 9:43p, 6/29/16
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So i have a dilemma. I was gifted an Oden works 9.5" free float key mod upper. It looks freaking sweet on my build BUT.... when i assembled it the gas block is at the end of the forend. I would assume this doesnt matter functionally but astetically it could look better i guess.

My question is, do they make an extenaion piece that i could add on to the end of my forend in order to cover the gas block and cover additional length of the barrel. TIA


Low profile block with a longer handguard are your options I believe.
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In reply to The Wonderer • 9:48p, 6/29/16
AG
I realize a longer forend is best case scenario but it isnt in the budget.
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9:58p, 6/29/16
AG
Most guards aren't threaded; they use Allen machine screws for end plates. Is your block a flat top with a rail even with the guard?
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10:54p, 6/29/16
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This is what im working with
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11:01p, 6/29/16
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I think you're stuck with that as is other than changing the handguard. I think it looks pretty good though. Kind of a step down look as opposed to the bare block exposed completely. If you ever build a pistol, that handguard would be a good carry over and you can put a longer one on the rifle.
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In reply to The Wonderer • 11:09p, 6/29/16
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That was my thought as well but more leaning toward sbr rather than pistol most likely.

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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 11:11p, 6/29/16
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Only difference between a pistol and SBR is a $200 ransom to the BATFE and a stock.


I went the Sig Brace (5.56) and KAK Blade (.300 blk) route instead. Not paying the ransom allowed for another weapon build.

The only reason I will SBR one of my lowers is to install a folding buffer tube mount, but those are nearly $200 themselves. So nearly $400 for an SBR folder and I already have a Scorpion Evo going the SBR route with the CZ 922r kit that will be shorter than any truly function AR can get anyway.
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10:18p, 6/30/16
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Those of you who have way more experience than I... vertical, angled or hand stop? I think im leaning angled
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10:40p, 6/30/16
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I like angled on longer rifles... vertical or angled on shorter ones.
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