Buttermilk racer.
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Lots of good stuff lately. Here's a few recent Montgomery Co finds
cottonmouth
Louisiana milksnake
buttermilk racer
cottonmouth
Louisiana milksnake
buttermilk racer
Great pics as always! I've never seen a Louisiana Milk Snake in the wild. I imagine they're pretty well tempered?
They usually are but in my experience they spaz out a lot. Frustrating to photograph.
That cottonmouth looks like an *******!
It was big and grumpy
I caught a very large Indigo in Leon County about 20 years ago (between Centerville and Crockett) so their range may be expanding, or it was lost. Biggest snake I've caught at nearly 6 feet, and it didn't seem to mind.krosch11 said:
Random question but where does the Texas Indigo usually roam?
They do not range to Leon Co and aren't expanding. Either it was brought there or you caught something else.
Edit to add that coachwhips, especially in that area, can be almost solid black. Here's a couple from Brazos/Grimes Co.
Edit to add that coachwhips, especially in that area, can be almost solid black. Here's a couple from Brazos/Grimes Co.
It was on my parent's place and I took it to my Dad, who taught Science early in his career out of college as a coach. He collected snakes for much of his life and can tell you the Latin name for most reptiles in the Southwest to this day. He was surprised as well. Perhaps someone relocated it, but it seemed to be thriving.
I caught three coachwhips last year. I know the difference.
Very cool. Lots of stuff shows up where it shouldn't be, and with something like an indigo that has a positive reputation, it isn't surprising.
It is interesting how snakes do stick to certain areas. We have a ton of water snakes in our area (Collin county) but no water moccasins. We have plenty of prey in our neighborhood (wooded golf course with tons of ponds) so I am glad they haven't slithered this way. Saw 6 water snakes on my run today
How far north do those "black coachwhips" roam? In NE Texas, as a kid in the 80's, we used to have some pretty long, skinny, black snakes that we called chicken snakes. Thinking back on it they don't seem to fit the darker versions of rat snakes but maybe that's what they were. They were also super fast.
The last one I saw that fit this description was about 4-5 feet long in our yard in Tyler 5-6 years ago. He definitely wasn't a rat snake nor was it a water snake of any sort. Long racer maybe? One of these dark coachwhips?
The last one I saw that fit this description was about 4-5 feet long in our yard in Tyler 5-6 years ago. He definitely wasn't a rat snake nor was it a water snake of any sort. Long racer maybe? One of these dark coachwhips?
Eastern/Black Racer or Black Rat Snake maybe?Stive said:
How far north do those "black coachwhips" roam? In NE Texas, as a kid in the 80's, we used to have some pretty long, skinny, black snakes that we called chicken snakes. Thinking back on it they don't seem to fit the darker versions of rat snakes but maybe that's what they were. They were also super fast.
The last one I saw that fit this description was about 4-5 feet long in our yard in Tyler 5-6 years ago. He definitely wasn't a rat snake nor was it a water snake of any sort. Long racer maybe? One of these dark coachwhips?
We have coachwhips in Carmine, don't think they go too much north of that.
Very well could have been a "black" rat snack. Saw one the other day in Collin county that made me do a double take since we normally have the common pattern eastern rat snakes. I saw a mud snake the other day in Longview but those are easy to identify with the red on them
Very well could have been a "black" rat snack. Saw one the other day in Collin county that made me do a double take since we normally have the common pattern eastern rat snakes. I saw a mud snake the other day in Longview but those are easy to identify with the red on them
After looking at pictures and ranges on google, I'll lean towards black rat snakes. My home town growing up and current town of Tyler are on the western edge of their range but it looks like they're in it. The ones we used to see never seemed to have the typical "saddle" pattern that western rat snakes have so I was pretty sure these weren't those...they were too often black over all.txags92 said:Eastern/Black Racer or Black Rat Snake maybe?Stive said:
How far north do those "black coachwhips" roam? In NE Texas, as a kid in the 80's, we used to have some pretty long, skinny, black snakes that we called chicken snakes. Thinking back on it they don't seem to fit the darker versions of rat snakes but maybe that's what they were. They were also super fast.
The last one I saw that fit this description was about 4-5 feet long in our yard in Tyler 5-6 years ago. He definitely wasn't a rat snake nor was it a water snake of any sort. Long racer maybe? One of these dark coachwhips?
We could have also been seeing some racers as well and thinking they were all the same type of snake.
ttha_aggie_09 said:
Great pics as always! I've never seen a Louisiana Milk Snake in the wild. I imagine they're pretty well tempered?
They tend to get really drunk and throw bourbon bottles in the stands, from experience
Stive said:After looking at pictures and ranges on google, I'll lean towards black rat snakes. My home town growing up and current town of Tyler are on the western edge of their range but it looks like they're in it. The ones we used to see never seemed to have the typical "saddle" pattern that western rat snakes have so I was pretty sure these weren't those...they were too often black over all.txags92 said:Eastern/Black Racer or Black Rat Snake maybe?Stive said:
How far north do those "black coachwhips" roam? In NE Texas, as a kid in the 80's, we used to have some pretty long, skinny, black snakes that we called chicken snakes. Thinking back on it they don't seem to fit the darker versions of rat snakes but maybe that's what they were. They were also super fast.
The last one I saw that fit this description was about 4-5 feet long in our yard in Tyler 5-6 years ago. He definitely wasn't a rat snake nor was it a water snake of any sort. Long racer maybe? One of these dark coachwhips?
We could have also been seeing some racers as well and thinking they were all the same type of snake.
Grew up in Tyler, family land in Henderson County near LaRue SE of Athens...we have coachwhips for sure, solid black. They are fast as hell and make your heart skip a beat when you see one in the long grass of a hayfield.
Had to encourage him to get out of the road and head across the ditch into the woods.
He was stubborn. And big for a copperhead. 2' plus.
He was stubborn. And big for a copperhead. 2' plus.
Beast of a copperhead.
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Do you have any pictures of that snake? I realize it's unlikely but it would be cool to see.cheeky said:I caught a very large Indigo in Leon County about 20 years ago (between Centerville and Crockett) so their range may be expanding, or it was lost. Biggest snake I've caught at nearly 6 feet, and it didn't seem to mind.krosch11 said:
Random question but where does the Texas Indigo usually roam?
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It's a beauty!
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Every time I see the depth of your knowledge in that noggin, you push the limits even farther. Got a bit of OCD in ya?Badace52 said:Milwaukees Best Light said:
I have a generator snake question for the experts. Do venomous snakes inject venom into their prey? Or do they strangle them? Injecting venom seems taxing on the snake and what if the prey runs away before dying?
In addition to what Daddy 05 said, snakes have an extremely well developed sense of smell. If prey does run a long way before dying, they can track the scent like a bloodhound.
The forked tongues are used to pick up scent and then the snake deposits the scent molecules from the tongue to an organ in the mouth called Jacobsons organ.
Depending on which side of the tongue has more scent molecules on it, the snake can tell the direction the scent is coming from.
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Similar story to the others on an indigo sighting south of chorizo springs on a one lane lease road along a fence line. The snake was pretty far down the road and I thought someone was pumping water from a well to a pond or cattle cistern. Then the hose moved off the road before I could get close. Same thing for me, it seemed to stretch across the road from head to tail.
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Where is "chorizo springs"...I need to go there,
Me too. I think it is close to Frijoleville and Tortilla Gap.Ezra Brooks said:
Where is "chorizo springs"...I need to go there,
HtownAg92 said:Me too. I think it is close to Frijoleville and Tortilla Gap.Ezra Brooks said:
Where is "chorizo springs"...I need to go there,
Is that by Chalupa Canyon?
No, that's actually a strip club on the outskirts of Edinburg.maroon barchetta said:HtownAg92 said:Me too. I think it is close to Frijoleville and Tortilla Gap.Ezra Brooks said:
Where is "chorizo springs"...I need to go there,
Is that by Chalupa Canyon?
I though Chalupa Canyon was the name of a Welsh ***** who could do things with her one good arm that would make you forget about that thing on her neck.HtownAg92 said:No, that's actually a strip club on the outskirts of Edinburg.maroon barchetta said:HtownAg92 said:Me too. I think it is close to Frijoleville and Tortilla Gap.Ezra Brooks said:
Where is "chorizo springs"...I need to go there,
Is that by Chalupa Canyon?
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Lots of water snakes this year.
Will they go after your eggs like rats?
Okay, I can tell it's a water snake by the mouth.
But, if I'm looking at the markings from tail to head, it looks quite similar to a CM. Basically, I want to be able to identify CM's faster. Yes, I could look at the cat eyes of the CM, but by that time, I better be walking on water or doing my best Barry Sanders.
But, if I'm looking at the markings from tail to head, it looks quite similar to a CM. Basically, I want to be able to identify CM's faster. Yes, I could look at the cat eyes of the CM, but by that time, I better be walking on water or doing my best Barry Sanders.
The color pattern is noticeably different. Compare the above image to this pic of a cottonmouth.
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