Garrett's tenure literally puts him in league with those guys. Every other coach who has been around as long is awesome and clearly makes their team better.Quote:
No ones arguing that Garrett is in league with those guys, but Garrett was promoted because he wasn't those guys. Those guys don't have owners who have to be known to be calling the shots.
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I don't know about this conservative/aggressive argument. I do know that I have never seen a game where I was impressed with Garrett's coaching. Never once have I watched a game and thought "They only won that game because Garrett was the head coach".
I'm impressed at least every year with Belichick. He'll exploit some random rule, not throw the ball all game, target the one guy on defense who sucks, or he'll shut down the one guy that makes an offense work. It's amazing. Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson is another great example. They're doing something unique over there and it's working, at least so far. Payton in NO with his back up QB is another great example. Great coaches bring something positive to the table, just like great players. Garrett just doesn't.
No ones arguing that Garrett is in league with those guys, but Garrett was promoted because he wasn't those guys. Those guys don't have owners who have to be known to be calling the shots.
The Belichick rule thing is overblown. That's not the reason why he's a winner. Bridgewater isn't Cooper Rush either.
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I don't know about this conservative/aggressive argument. I do know that I have never seen a game where I was impressed with Garrett's coaching. Never once have I watched a game and thought "They only won that game because Garrett was the head coach".
I'm impressed at least every year with Belichick. He'll exploit some random rule, not throw the ball all game, target the one guy on defense who sucks, or he'll shut down the one guy that makes an offense work. It's amazing. Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson is another great example. They're doing something unique over there and it's working, at least so far. Payton in NO with his back up QB is another great example. Great coaches bring something positive to the table, just like great players. Garrett just doesn't.
No ones arguing that Garrett is in league with those guys, but Garrett was promoted because he wasn't those guys. Those guys don't have owners who have to be known to be calling the shots.
The Belichick rule thing is overblown. That's not the reason why he's a winner. Bridgewater isn't Cooper Rush either.
100% Belichik wins because he does a better job game planning each opponent every week. It's the prep. He also signs guys who are capable of executing his gameplans.
The Cowboys on the other hand basically just pressures their players to play hard all the time. Garrett is good at that. Hes a good motivator. He relies on his talent to win. It's not all that different than the Jimmy Johnson style. Everyone thought he was great but he'd probably be average at best in today's NFL.
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Garrett's tenure literally puts him in league with those guys. Every other coach who has been around as long is awesome and clearly makes their team better.
We are literally saying the same thing. We are never going to win a title with Garrett, because Jerry intentionally picked someone who couldn't win a title without every advantage in personnel and assistant coaches.Quote:
He wants a guy that no one is going to say they won a title because of him.
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We are literally saying the same thing. We are never going to win a title with Garrett, because Jerry intentionally picked someone who couldn't win a title without every advantage in personnel and assistant coaches.
I do blame Garrett for that. He keeps showing up and cashing the checks. He's clearly more than content to be pushed aroundQuote:
I just don't blame Garrett for that. And it could very well be that he WANTS to be an impact...and his management is undermining him at every turn.
Baldinger is spot on here. He's a former NFL offensive lineman who isn't afraid to say that Zeke is being paid like an elite back, but he's not producing like an elite back. Watch the video, he provided a host of plays where Zeke is either making bad decisions, or not hitting the hole like an explosive, elite running back should.PooDoo said:
gigem1223 said:FriscoKid said:
Should have let him walk. Way too much for a RB.
Disagree. Zeke is the best player on this team. You
Let him walk and it's back to mediocrity with a team that has a real window of opportunity to win a championship.
DSAg44 said:
Moving on...who should be on jerrah's short list?
FriscoKid said:gigem1223 said:FriscoKid said:
Should have let him walk. Way too much for a RB.
Disagree. Zeke is the best player on this team. You
Let him walk and it's back to mediocrity with a team that has a real window of opportunity to win a championship.
Seasons not done, but this take is not aging wellFriscoKid said:gigem1223 said:FriscoKid said:
Should have let him walk. Way too much for a RB.
Disagree. Zeke is the best player on this team. You
Let him walk and it's back to mediocrity with a team that has a real window of opportunity to win a championship.
the last of the bohemians said:
Romo for head coach? He's clearly the smartest tv guy
To be fair, JG was successful initially as an OC and was thought to be a hot HC candidate. I'm pretty he turned down at least one job to remain the OC. Jerry made him the highest paid coordinator in the league just to keep him from Baltimore or Detroit (my memory fails). He had just as much of a resume at Sean McVay or Frank Reich or any of these guys getting jobs now who everyone loves.expresswrittenconsent said:the last of the bohemians said:
Romo for head coach? He's clearly the smartest tv guy
We took a half measure with Garrett - Jerry fell in love and hired him as OC before even interviewing the candidates that led to the Uncle Wade era as HC. I wonder if Jerry had just hired Garrett then as HV if we would be in the same spot as now only with JG in year 13 ?or whatever) or if he gets fired 4-5yrs in and Romo's prime has a better coach?
Ag Natural said:To be fair, JG was successful initially as an OC and was thought to be a hot HC candidate. I'm pretty he turned down at least one job to remain the OC. Jerry made him the highest paid coordinator in the league just to keep him from Baltimore or Detroit (my memory fails). He had just as much of a resume at Sean McVay or Frank Reich or any of these guys getting jobs now who everyone loves.expresswrittenconsent said:the last of the bohemians said:
Romo for head coach? He's clearly the smartest tv guy
We took a half measure with Garrett - Jerry fell in love and hired him as OC before even interviewing the candidates that led to the Uncle Wade era as HC. I wonder if Jerry had just hired Garrett then as HV if we would be in the same spot as now only with JG in year 13 ?or whatever) or if he gets fired 4-5yrs in and Romo's prime has a better coach?
You could argue Jerry should have fired him but the evidence doesn't strongly point there either. Throw out the interim year where he went 5-3. He went 8-8 three straight years with some flawed teams. Dallas didn't get their personnel under control until about 6 years ago. Then he goes 12-4, 4-12 (3-0 before Romo gets injured), 13-3 (with a rookie QB), 9-7 (Zeke suspension), 10-6.
I know everyone hates him but I don't see how any data driven decision would have supported firing JG at any point over the last 5 years. Yeah he could really tank this year and create a reason. And yeah you could have axed him after his 3rd 8-8 season and nobody would have seconded guessed that. Jerry did fire Gailey after two 10-6 seasons.
expresswrittenconsent said:Ag Natural said:To be fair, JG was successful initially as an OC and was thought to be a hot HC candidate. I'm pretty he turned down at least one job to remain the OC. Jerry made him the highest paid coordinator in the league just to keep him from Baltimore or Detroit (my memory fails). He had just as much of a resume at Sean McVay or Frank Reich or any of these guys getting jobs now who everyone loves.expresswrittenconsent said:the last of the bohemians said:
Romo for head coach? He's clearly the smartest tv guy
We took a half measure with Garrett - Jerry fell in love and hired him as OC before even interviewing the candidates that led to the Uncle Wade era as HC. I wonder if Jerry had just hired Garrett then as HV if we would be in the same spot as now only with JG in year 13 ?or whatever) or if he gets fired 4-5yrs in and Romo's prime has a better coach?
You could argue Jerry should have fired him but the evidence doesn't strongly point there either. Throw out the interim year where he went 5-3. He went 8-8 three straight years with some flawed teams. Dallas didn't get their personnel under control until about 6 years ago. Then he goes 12-4, 4-12 (3-0 before Romo gets injured), 13-3 (with a rookie QB), 9-7 (Zeke suspension), 10-6.
I know everyone hates him but I don't see how any data driven decision would have supported firing JG at any point over the last 5 years. Yeah he could really tank this year and create a reason. And yeah you could have axed him after his 3rd 8-8 season and nobody would have seconded guessed that. Jerry did fire Gailey after two 10-6 seasons.
whew. my clearly hypothetical scenario that you were replying to was questioning whether we would've fired him during the 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, 8-8 stretch where you said it was OK.
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You can be plain-vanilla conservative in the NFL and if you have the talent you will still find yourself in the playoffs regularly.
If JJ pulls the trigger and gets rid of him, I think JJ would be willing to put up with any arrangement if he thought it would bring post season success. Jerry is old and knows his window is small. He wants another SB.ramblin_ag02 said:
Agree completely, but diehard made a great point. Jerry will only hire JAG coaches. An exceptional coach would get all the credit instead of Jerry if they actually won. Even if we win a SB this year, no one is going to sing Garrett's praises as an amazing coach
Well, he's already in the HOF, so there's that. Maybe that'll help set aside the "I gotta be the one" to get to the SB and he'll hire someone that can actually get him there. Otherwise, he'll "be the one" that hung on to JG too long and missed out in the end.jcbaggie04 said:
I want to believe you.
ramblin_ag02 said:
Agree completely, but diehard made a great point. Jerry will only hire JAG coaches. An exceptional coach would get all the credit instead of Jerry if they actually won. Even if we win a SB this year, no one is going to sing Garrett's praises as an amazing coach
but then jerrah would have excuses for jg. now, there are none.Agnzona said:
The people who said you don't give Zeke the big contract because he is a running back are going to be proven absolutely correct. The position is interchangeable. And while a few are significant upgrades over the mean that significance last only a few years. Dak should have been the priority this off season and Zeke should have been told unequivocally we are not even talking to you until next year.
