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In reply to Macarthur • 9:57a, 11/12/19
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My thoughts exactly. Seems to me you put that squarely on Garrett. He has an OC and a DC and apparently both are doing excellent. His job is to look at the big picture, put everything together, and manage tricky game situations. That's undeniably the worst part of our team. When you split out the division of labor, Garrett is failing badly. You can't even give him credit for hiring good assistants, because we know he has no control over that
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In reply to ramblin_ag02 • 10:08a, 11/12/19
So just get to situationally mediocre and that's a pretty good team
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10:08a, 11/12/19
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Even if we make the playoffs does anybody honestly think this team under this coaching staff will make any kind of a run? Every year at midseason cowboy fans do the math on how the cowboys can make the playoffs despite a mediocre record. If we're 8-8 or 9-7 does it matter that we won the NFCE and we get to play one more game? I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. Cowboys make the playoffs and are out in the first round. At least this time Garrett gets fired in the end.

ib4 "hur dur anything can happen in the playoffs"
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In reply to ramblin_ag02 • 10:22a, 11/12/19
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-good-the-bad-and-the-weird-of-nfl-week-10/



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Salfino: Bigger disappointment: the Rams or the Cowboys?
sara.ziegler: Well, the Rams are down to just 25 percent to make the playoffs, and the Cowboys still have a 50 percent shot.
Salfino: Dak Prescott looked so unstoppable that I'm shocked the Cowboys lost. Jerry Jones has put up with a lot, but this might be a new standard. Dallas is just 5-4 with all this talent on both sides of the ball: They lead the NFL in yards per play and overall offense, they're seventh in overall defense and they're third in net yards per pass play gained minus those allowed (the two teams above them in that measure have combined for one loss). Has any coach ever won less with more than Jason Garrett this year?
Would you fire Garrett?
joshua.hermsmeyer: No, I don't think you can. But I would certainly tell him to not meddle in offensive play calling.
Salfino: Cowboys are plus-81 in points. Yet 5-4. Do we give the coaching credit for all the stats or crush it for the meh record?
sara.ziegler: I think that as long as they make the playoffs, it won't matter.
Salfino: Getting to Josh's point, Dallas should abandon the run more because Ezekiel Elliott seems to have lost a little, and Dak and the passing game has passed him by. This should be Dak's team now.
neil: For the record, Dak continues to have an amazing season. He ranks third in our Elo QB metric, behind only Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson.
Interesting stats from the 538 chat. Amazing to think the Cowboys are statistically great and situationally awful

So I'll open with not a big Garrett fan..... but in reading those numbers...where do we put blame on Garrett? Is it known that he changes OC calls?? Does he influence DC calls? Does he change out player rotations..... asking because IDK the level of input Garrett has on both sides of the ball. The numbers above seem good but something is missing.... does firing Garrett fix that or just bring in another fall guy?????
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In reply to ChemAg15 • 10:30a, 11/12/19
ChemAg15 said:
Even if we make the playoffs does anybody honestly think this team under this coaching staff will make any kind of a run? Every year at midseason cowboy fans do the math on how the cowboys can make the playoffs despite a mediocre record. If we're 8-8 or 9-7 does it matter that we won the NFCE and we get to play one more game? I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. Cowboys make the playoffs and are out in the first round. At least this time Garrett gets fired in the end.

ib4 "hur dur anything can happen in the playoffs"
Maybe for once we can actually avoid Green Bay until the nfc championship round.
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In reply to Grapesoda2525 • 10:33a, 11/12/19
Grapesoda2525 said:
Proposition Joe said:
We only own the tiebreaker right now because we haven't played @ Philly.

If we lose @ Philly, they will have the tiebreaker (unless one of us ****s the bed against NYG/WAS).
The eagles have much more nfc east left then we do and they probably will have to be perfect against the giants and beat the skids again.

If the redskins game at the end of the year means anything at all, we're not losing it. That team is too bad and even Garrett isn't that pathetic.

For sake of comparison, I'm assuming both Cowboys and Eagles handle WAS/NYG.

Eagles will wind up with common opponent tiebreaker.
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In reply to Grapesoda2525 • 10:35a, 11/12/19
Grapesoda2525 said:
ChemAg15 said:
Even if we make the playoffs does anybody honestly think this team under this coaching staff will make any kind of a run? Every year at midseason cowboy fans do the math on how the cowboys can make the playoffs despite a mediocre record. If we're 8-8 or 9-7 does it matter that we won the NFCE and we get to play one more game? I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. Cowboys make the playoffs and are out in the first round. At least this time Garrett gets fired in the end.

ib4 "hur dur anything can happen in the playoffs"
Maybe for once we can actually avoid Green Bay until the nfc championship round.

I look forward to our inevitable wildcard home loss to kyle allen (I know Panthers probably wont be the WC).
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In reply to ChemAg15 • 10:41a, 11/12/19
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ChemAg15 said:
Even if we make the playoffs does anybody honestly think this team under this coaching staff will make any kind of a run? Every year at midseason cowboy fans do the math on how the cowboys can make the playoffs despite a mediocre record. If we're 8-8 or 9-7 does it matter that we won the NFCE and we get to play one more game? I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. Cowboys make the playoffs and are out in the first round. At least this time Garrett gets fired in the end.

ib4 "hur dur anything can happen in the playoffs"
Are we even sure this would happen? I'm not confident he's gone if he gets back to the playoffs again. Jerruh seems to love him like he's a son.
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In reply to Ag12thman • 10:51a, 11/12/19
Ag12thman said:
ChemAg15 said:
Even if we make the playoffs does anybody honestly think this team under this coaching staff will make any kind of a run? Every year at midseason cowboy fans do the math on how the cowboys can make the playoffs despite a mediocre record. If we're 8-8 or 9-7 does it matter that we won the NFCE and we get to play one more game? I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. Cowboys make the playoffs and are out in the first round. At least this time Garrett gets fired in the end.

ib4 "hur dur anything can happen in the playoffs"
Are we even sure this would happen? I'm not confident he's gone if he gets back to the playoffs again. Jerruh seems to love him like he's a son.
It does seem like the coaching took an unusual amount of criticism in the media after the Vikings loss. Jerry can be very tone deaf on football type things tho. He's sharp on the business side, but you never want him building rosters or making any football decisions.
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In reply to Ag12thman • 11:17a, 11/12/19
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Ag12thman said:
ChemAg15 said:
Even if we make the playoffs does anybody honestly think this team under this coaching staff will make any kind of a run? Every year at midseason cowboy fans do the math on how the cowboys can make the playoffs despite a mediocre record. If we're 8-8 or 9-7 does it matter that we won the NFCE and we get to play one more game? I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. Cowboys make the playoffs and are out in the first round. At least this time Garrett gets fired in the end.

ib4 "hur dur anything can happen in the playoffs"
Are we even sure this would happen? I'm not confident he's gone if he gets back to the playoffs again. Jerruh seems to love him like he's a son.
If they sign him to a new deal, I honestly might be out in terms of following the team. That would be embracing mediocracy. Jerry will die before the Cowboys won another super bowl with Garrett at the helm
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11:18a, 11/12/19
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I think it's NFC title game or bust, and a title game may not even save him depending on how they were to lose it. Make it to the NFC title game and get beat in good old Jason Garrett fashion with a questionable gameplan and poor decisions, he may still get canned. I think that kind of deal (or any playoff loss) could usher in a Kris Richard regime, where you keep things largely the same but try a new voice. A bigger collapse where they miss the playoffs entirely ushers in a bigger change IMO.
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2:08p, 11/12/19
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Maybe for once we can actually avoid Green Bay until the nfc championship round.



At this point, that will probably be the least of your worries.
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In reply to ChemAg15 • 5:28p, 11/12/19
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ChemAg15 said:
Even if we make the playoffs does anybody honestly think this team under this coaching staff will make any kind of a run? Every year at midseason cowboy fans do the math on how the cowboys can make the playoffs despite a mediocre record. If we're 8-8 or 9-7 does it matter that we won the NFCE and we get to play one more game? I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. Cowboys make the playoffs and are out in the first round. At least this time Garrett gets fired in the end.

ib4 "hur dur anything can happen in the playoffs"
I wouldn't expect a run (due to JG), but it wouldn't shock me. There is a lot of talent on this team.

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In reply to Seven Costanza • 5:30p, 11/12/19
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Seven Costanza said:
I wouldn't expect a run due to JG, but it wouldn't shock me. There is a lot of talent on this team.


hope porn.
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In reply to Seven Costanza • 6:39p, 11/12/19
Seven Costanza said:
ChemAg15 said:
Even if we make the playoffs does anybody honestly think this team under this coaching staff will make any kind of a run? Every year at midseason cowboy fans do the math on how the cowboys can make the playoffs despite a mediocre record. If we're 8-8 or 9-7 does it matter that we won the NFCE and we get to play one more game? I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. Cowboys make the playoffs and are out in the first round. At least this time Garrett gets fired in the end.

ib4 "hur dur anything can happen in the playoffs"
I wouldn't expect a run (due to JG), but it wouldn't shock me. There is a lot of talent on this team.

Talent doesn't do much good if it is not working together cohesively,
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In reply to Some Junkie Cosmonaut • 6:40p, 11/12/19
ruddyduck said:
Seven Costanza said:
I wouldn't expect a run due to JG, but it wouldn't shock me. There is a lot of talent on this team.


hope porn.


This team was 4-5 last year at this point and made a run. Not entirely out of the realm of possibility they could do it again. As mentioned, the talent is there. If you look at the offensive stats, it's hard to believe they're sitting at 5-4.
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8:01p, 11/12/19
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In reply to PooDoo • 9:24p, 11/12/19
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I wish there'd be a sound from the sideline of Garrett being fired
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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10:30p, 11/12/19
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In reply to PooDoo • 9:50a, 11/13/19
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It looks to me like Zeke has lost his vision. He isn't seeing the holes that are there for him and running into the line in spots where the holes close before he gets there instead of following blockers that are creating decent holes for him on the other side.
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11:31a, 11/13/19
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Zeke has not been awful all year long. Started a lil slow, then seemed like he was getting back into the groove slowly, and then was not good vs the Vikes. Definitely not living up to the contract numbers as of yet though.

As for Garrett, there is zero chance he's retained if they miss the playoffs (which is certainly possible right now), and there's little chance he's retained if they don't get past round one. The Jones family has given him everything he needs to get this team to an NFC title game and he's the one consistently not delivering. As bad as Jerry has been in the past with recognizing issues, I'm pretty confidant he'll can Garrett if above milestones are not met.
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11:46a, 11/13/19
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I don't think anyone has said he's been awful all year. But I do think it's a tale of two Zekes - one version vs. bad teams that put up very good #'s and one version vs. good teams when he's been bottled up. Now some of that is on playcalling and OL play, but regardless, they need more from him. I would agree with some of the vision questions this year in addition to less burst.
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In reply to Orlando Ayala Cant Read • 11:52a, 11/13/19
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As for Garrett, there is zero chance he's retained if they miss the playoffs (which is certainly possible right now), and there's little chance he's retained if they don't get past round one. The Jones family has given him everything he needs to get this team to an NFC title game and he's the one consistently not delivering. As bad as Jerry has been in the past with recognizing issues, I'm pretty confidant he'll can Garrett if above milestones are not met.
It's tough because I would never root for the cowboys to lose, but I won't be pissed off and upset if we miss the playoffs this year like I usually am.

Underachieving this year could be a blessing in disguise if it finally gets Jerruh to see what the rest of the world sees. We would probably be better off with about 25 other coaches currently employed by nfl teams and several unemployed ones.
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In reply to Grapesoda2525 • 11:57a, 11/13/19
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Grapesoda2525 said:
Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:
Underachieving this year could be a blessing in disguise if it finally gets Jerruh to see what the rest of the world sees. We would probably be better off with about 25 other coaches currently employed by nfl teams and several unemployed ones.
This is SO true. Many of the NFL Network shows are pointing to the coaching. One guy this morning alluded to the conservative mindset of the team and used Austin's fair catch with tons of room to run as an example of that. And we all know where that mindset comes from.
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 12:07p, 11/13/19
MooreTrucker said:
Grapesoda2525 said:
Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:
Underachieving this year could be a blessing in disguise if it finally gets Jerruh to see what the rest of the world sees. We would probably be better off with about 25 other coaches currently employed by nfl teams and several unemployed ones.
This is SO true. Many of the NFL Network shows are pointing to the coaching. One guy this morning alluded to the conservative mindset of the team and used Austin's fair catch with tons of room to run as an example of that. And we all know where that mindset comes from.
I really hate the guy and I think he's a moron, but even Stephen A Smith said before the season started that the only thing holding the cowboys back is terrible coaching. Terrell Owens has also said the coaching will be the reason we aren't successful.

I know both of these guys are crazy, but if crazy people can see it too, why not jerruh?
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12:10p, 11/13/19
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Aggressive = good coaching is the laziest arguement in sports. Its quickly becoming one of my top pet peeves.

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In reply to Ag Natural • 1:25p, 11/13/19
Ag Natural said:
Aggressive = good coaching is the laziest arguement in sports. Its quickly becoming one of my top pet peeves.


Sure, if aggressive means yelling. But if we are talking about attempting more 4th downs (or more play action or various other advanced stats) it isnt lazy at all.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 1:28p, 11/13/19
Ag Natural said:
Aggressive = good coaching is the laziest arguement in sports. Its quickly becoming one of my top pet peeves.

A conservative approach doesn't really pay off in football. This isn't like baseball where there's 162 games and playoff series are several games long. You only get so many chances to win, gotta make it count.
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In reply to Grapesoda2525 • 1:47p, 11/13/19
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Grapesoda2525 said:
Ag Natural said:
Aggressive = good coaching is the laziest arguement in sports. Its quickly becoming one of my top pet peeves.

A conservative approach doesn't really pay off in football. This isn't like baseball where there's 162 games and playoff series are several games long. You only get so many chances to win, gotta make it count.


Sure. I guess it's just how "aggressiveness" is measured that drives me nuts. I agree that an aggressive mindset is generally good. I.e. you are always looking to be proactive and control the situation. But I think fans and pundits are too easily just pointing out 4th down attempts, trick plays, or whatever as agression. Context matters. There are times when its smart and others where it isnt to be uber "agressive".
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1:56p, 11/13/19
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A conservative approach doesn't really pay off in football.

Yeah it does. We just don't talk about it when it works.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 2:06p, 11/13/19
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I don't think anyone has said he's been awful all year. But I do think it's a tale of two Zekes - one version vs. bad teams that put up very good #'s and one version vs. good teams when he's been bottled up. Now some of that is on playcalling and OL play, but regardless, they need more from him. I would agree with some of the vision questions this year in addition to less burst.

No doubt that this is the Cowboys being stubborn. Good defensive teams in the NFL will take away something. The Vikes said they were not going to letZeke beat them. So they didn't.

We actually were moving the ball great and our coaches decided that they had to force feed Zeke twice and it lost the game. Plain and simple.

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In reply to Macarthur • 2:10p, 11/13/19
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The thing is though that great backs tend to overcome some of that. That's why you pay them $13 mill or whatever. One game is one thing. 3 in 4 losses is something else. But yes, I agree that there is more than just Zeke not looking quite as sharp at play here.
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2:12p, 11/13/19
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I don't know about this conservative/aggressive argument. I do know that I have never seen a game where I was impressed with Garrett's coaching. Never once have I watched a game and thought "They only won that game because Garrett was the head coach".

I'm impressed at least every year with Belichick. He'll exploit some random rule, not throw the ball all game, target the one guy on defense who sucks, or he'll shut down the one guy that makes an offense work. It's amazing. Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson is another great example. They're doing something unique over there and it's working, at least so far. Payton in NO with his back up QB is another great example. Great coaches bring something positive to the table, just like great players. Garrett just doesn't.

How bad is it when we're worried Richards and Moore are gone this offseason to be head coaches, but we all know Garrett isn't getting another head coaching job when this one is over
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In reply to Ag Natural • 2:37p, 11/13/19
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Ag Natural said:
Aggressive = good coaching is the laziest arguement in sports. Its quickly becoming one of my top pet peeves.

Not calling a fair catch with 15+ yards of open space in front of you is not "aggressive".
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2:42p, 11/13/19
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I don't know about this conservative/aggressive argument. I do know that I have never seen a game where I was impressed with Garrett's coaching. Never once have I watched a game and thought "They only won that game because Garrett was the head coach".

I'm impressed at least every year with Belichick. He'll exploit some random rule, not throw the ball all game, target the one guy on defense who sucks, or he'll shut down the one guy that makes an offense work. It's amazing. Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson is another great example. They're doing something unique over there and it's working, at least so far. Payton in NO with his back up QB is another great example. Great coaches bring something positive to the table, just like great players. Garrett just doesn't.

No ones arguing that Garrett is in league with those guys, but Garrett was promoted because he wasn't those guys. Those guys don't have owners who have to be known to be calling the shots.

The Belichick rule thing is overblown. That's not the reason why he's a winner. Bridgewater isn't Cooper Rush either.
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