***DALLAS COWBOYS 2019 SEASON***

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jr15aggie
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9:53a, 9/3/19
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Right now the Cowboys have the upper hand in most contract talks. They've drafted well enough in recent years that most players can't hold the team hostage. They can sign a very nice but team friendly deal or we'll just replace them. May not be as good of a player, but good enough to get the job done well.

The only exceptions are Dak and Cooper. Dak because, well, he's the franchise QB and our only leverage is the franchise tag. Cooper's leverage is we already used a 1st rounder for him and we really can't afford to let that walk away.
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10:02a, 9/3/19
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It's really nice to lock up so many quality young players. The next two interesting cases outside of the big 3 are Maliek Collins and Byron Jones. Once again it will come down to what they will settle for. I don't see the Cowboys breaking the bank for either even though they've been really good players.
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In reply to bonfarr • 10:03a, 9/3/19
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Zeke is back on a plane to Dallas in case his deal gets done this week.

LOL, I thought he was already back. So does he just like come in for a few days, hopes for the best, and then flies back to Cabo with Marshall Faulk?
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10:31a, 9/3/19
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Love the Collins signing.

I think that is huge going forward.

Hopefully Jerry said "I'll even include Zeke's game check from this week, and his accrued fines for missing time to your signing bonus".
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10:40a, 9/3/19
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Yeah, there was a stretch of time when I was thinking they'd have to let Collins walk. But if it's a team friendly deal, you have to make that move for a tackle. Also, I'm afraid they are already going to be looking for one T soon because of Tyron's back. Puts pressure to lock the other T down.
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11:04a, 9/3/19
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Zeke contract rumor...6 years and $90 million.
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In reply to Enviroag02 • 11:14a, 9/3/19
Whoa.. $15 mil/year. That's way too much

They're better be 3 Super Bowls in that stretch.
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11:16a, 9/3/19
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On the surface this sounds insane, but I'm going to assume there are quite a few conditions written into those numbers if they are indeed true.
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In reply to Silvertaps • 11:19a, 9/3/19
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On the surface this sounds insane, but I'm going to assume there are quite a few conditions written into those numbers if they are indeed true.


Like don't F ck up in the off-season
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In reply to Enviroag02 • 11:20a, 9/3/19
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Enviroag02 said:
Zeke contract rumor...6 years and $90 million.


Eff that. Keep sitting out.
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In reply to investorAg83 • 11:23a, 9/3/19
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Enviroag02 said:
Zeke contract rumor...6 years and $90 million.


Eff that. Keep sitting out.


Lol you don't even know what the guaranteed money is yet...
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11:23a, 9/3/19
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With the Cowboys running him like I expect they will...he won't last 6 years.
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In reply to Enviroag02 • 11:24a, 9/3/19
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Enviroag02 said:
With the Cowboys running him like I expect they will...he won't last 6 years.
IMO...I think they know this, but this is their way of spreading out the money to leave room for Cooper and Dak
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11:25a, 9/3/19
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Hopefully not much more than half is guaranteed...
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In reply to Enviroag02 • 11:25a, 9/3/19
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Enviroag02 said:
Zeke contract rumor...6 years and $90 million.
Means nothing. There's many contracts where you can put out these numbers to give the player and agent "bragging rights" but the real terms aren't even close. Carsen Wentz' deal is a great example of that.
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In reply to Enviroag02 • 11:42a, 9/3/19
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Enviroag02 said:
Zeke contract rumor...6 years and $90 million.


I assume that's under the condition of no suspensions/meetings with Goodell, because there's no way Zeke stays out of trouble
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In reply to Ag Natural • 11:44a, 9/3/19
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Ag Natural said:
Enviroag02 said:
Zeke contract rumor...6 years and $90 million.
Means nothing. There's many contracts where you can put out these numbers to give the player and agent "bragging rights" but the real terms aren't even close. Carsen Wentz' deal is a great example of that.
It's all a big dick measuring contest anyway. That it's actual dollars doesn't matter, it's what number is in front of all those zeros.
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In reply to Bobcat06 • 11:46a, 9/3/19
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Bobcat06 said:
Enviroag02 said:
Zeke contract rumor...6 years and $90 million.


I assume that's under the condition of no suspensions/meetings with Goodell, because there's no way Zeke stays out of trouble
This X1000!!!

One of the things that's pissed me off about this whole thing is how DAL has stood behind him through all of the crap he's done, all the suspensions, etc. And for him to do this nonsense with still 2 years left on his contract just sux.
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11:47a, 9/3/19
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Collins signing virtually assures us that Byron Jones will have to walk. I hope the young guys can step up.
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In reply to bonfarr • 11:50a, 9/3/19
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bonfarr said:
Collins signing virtually assures us that Byron Jones will have to walk. I hope the young guys can step up.
Dono to the rescue!!
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11:51a, 9/3/19
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Part of me thinks Zeke should honor his existing contract, and I think that's how would feel if he had actually had a say in that contract, but since he didn't AND the career span for a heavily used RB isn't that long....I can totally see why Zeke is doing what he's doing. The off the field stuff should come into play to devalue him, so I'm assuming there are some qualifiers in this deal.
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 11:55a, 9/3/19
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MooreTrucker said:
Bobcat06 said:
Enviroag02 said:
Zeke contract rumor...6 years and $90 million.


I assume that's under the condition of no suspensions/meetings with Goodell, because there's no way Zeke stays out of trouble
This X1000!!!

One of the things that's pissed me off about this whole thing is how DAL has stood behind him through all of the crap he's done, all the suspensions, etc. And for him to do this nonsense with still 2 years left on his contract just sux.
YEP - Agree 100%.
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 11:57a, 9/3/19
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MooreTrucker said:
bonfarr said:
Collins signing virtually assures us that Byron Jones will have to walk. I hope the young guys can step up.
Dono to the rescue!!


Jones has been out best corner the last two years, Wilson can't help us there.
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12:19p, 9/3/19
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Don't even look at the contract in terms of total dollars. The team fills contracts with salary cap voodoo and the agents fill it with headline making $ amounts.

At the end of the day... how much signing bonus and how much guaranteed. Those are the big hitters when it comes to how much dead money you are facing if there's a problem early in the contract.
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In reply to Enviroag02 • 12:46p, 9/3/19
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Enviroag02 said:
Part of me thinks Zeke should honor his existing contract, and I think that's how would feel if he had actually had a say in that contract, but since he didn't AND the career span for a heavily used RB isn't that long....I can totally see why Zeke is doing what he's doing. The off the field stuff should come into play to devalue him, so I'm assuming there are some qualifiers in this deal.
I get all that, but two years out is not right. Next year is the time for this, IMO.
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12:53p, 9/3/19
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Yeah, 2 years out is garbage. And if I'm Jerry, it just cements in my mind that he'll do the same or worse with this next deal when Zeke starts looking around and wanting to jump back above Gordon or whoever surpasses him next. So any guarantees you give him that lock you into keeping him more than 2-3 years out is purely downside risk for you. If he performs up to the deal, he'll hold out. If he doesn't, then it's wasted guaranteed $.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 1:02p, 9/3/19
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DannyDuberstein said:
Yeah, 2 years out is garbage. And if I'm Jerry, it just cements in my mind that he'll do the same or worse with this next deal when Zeke starts looking around and wanting to jump back above Gordon or whoever surpasses him next. So any guarantees you give him that lock you into keeping him more than 2-3 years out is purely downside risk for you. If he performs up to the deal, he'll hold out. If he doesn't, then it's wasted guaranteed $.
So in that case, is it time to draft a "next man up" for when that happens? Is that what Pollard is? How irreplaceable is Zeke anyway, esp. 2-3 years down the road?
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1:07p, 9/3/19
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I think Pollard could be that guy, and it looks like we will get the chance to see if he could be. But the game has changed. I'm just of the mind that when you boil it down to championship contender team makeup, a guy like Zeke just isn't necessary. Need capable. But it's not 1995 anymore.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 1:22p, 9/3/19
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DannyDuberstein said:
I think Pollard could be that guy, and it looks like we will get the chance to see if he could be. But the game has changed. I'm just of the mind that when you boil it down to championship contender team makeup, a guy like Zeke just isn't necessary. Need capable. But it's not 1995 anymore.

I think it's easy to forget how guys like Pollard are talented runners, but only the rare ones are able to maintain it for 16 games + playoffs.

Zeke helps get you the dirty wins in Sept/Oct and keeps bringing the sauce through December/January.

When did Zeke really bust onto the nation scene? In the college playoffs when most players were battered and bruised, Zeke went through them like butter!
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In reply to jr15aggie • 1:23p, 9/3/19
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2:19p, 9/3/19
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I am listening to a Talking Cowboys podcast from The Athletic and some of their analysts predict Tyron Smith gets cut after this season saving $40 MM in cap money over the last 4 years and that is the only way they could afford to pay all of these guys.

If he continues to have back trouble I can see it but Jerry doesn't release Hall of Famers in their prime if he can avoid it.
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In reply to bonfarr • 2:24p, 9/3/19
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bonfarr said:
I am listening to a Talking Cowboys podcast from The Athletic and some of their analysts predict Tyron Smith gets cut after this season saving $40 MM in cap money over the last 4 years and that is the only way they could afford to pay all of these guys.

If he continues to have back trouble I can see it but Jerry doesn't release Hall of Famers in their prime if he can avoid it.
That's an intriguing idea, especially in light of extending Collins. Love Tyron and how he has performed and conducted himself off the field, but aging with back issues and a massive contract can be concerning.
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2:49p, 9/3/19
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That's extremely interesting considering Tyron is one of the best bargains in football... he took a VERY reasonable long term deal a few years back. He's very much underpaid for his talent level. Who knows I guess.
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In reply to jr15aggie • 2:51p, 9/3/19
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My issue with Zeke is that we did see some wear down factor last year. He's definitely a grinder that can handle a high workload, but I really question how long that will last. He'll eventually sign so this Pollard as a replacement talk is mostly moot, but I've got about a 3 year window on Zeke.

And yeah, unfortunately Tyron is probably not long for this team. I think I did the math on his deal out here back at the end of 2017 when the back issues had been in full force. Disk issues are such a productivity and career killing inch. So debilitating and never really get right. Today's news was definitely about locking down one side, and I expect them to be looking for the other side soon. We'll see how the 2020 draft pans out at tackle, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Collins move to LT and Martin to RT at some point.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 3:43p, 9/3/19
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No doubt, Zeke was worn down last year. That's the main reason why Rod Smith isn't on the team anymore. Hopefully Pollard will be the solution to getting Zeke off the field more. I know last year I wasn't happy anytime Zeke took a series off. As of right now, I'm excited to see what Pollard can do when his number is called... keep Zeke fresh for the 4th quarter!
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