flown-the-coop said:Less Evil Hank Scorpio said:
Not a single person said he doesn't have the authority to command the troops. Stop moving the goal posts.
He promised no new wars and then got us in one that is turning out to be harder to win than he anticipated. Take the L.
Take what L?
He promised to put America First. Ending a 47 year conflict before they were on an irreversible path for a nuclear weapon to be used against the United States and its allies is very consistent.
He's been saying the same damn things regarding Iran for 30+ years. He took action in his first admin.
If you voted for him to bend the knee to the Ayatollahs then you were duped for sure.
No goalposts have been moved. What a lazy response.
flown-the-coop said:
Things short of that are military actions or use of force that is generally regarded as anything short of the above.
TexasAggie_97 said:LegalDrugPusher said:
Trump is right. Gas prices will fall like a rock. Democheats worst nightmare is creeping upon them. Lower gas prices all summer and into the fall that will help the Republicans rebound.
Many Democrats I have conversed with over the last 2-3 months don't mind the Iran operation to end just not too soon. They wanted it to end maybe around October time frame no sooner than August.
They don't want the American people to start feeling good again and affording gas.
I wonder if OP would like a do-over on this thread since gas prices are 100% not under 3 dollars and the longer this drags on the more it will hurt the GOP in the midterm elections. Sadly, this has all but guaranteed we will lose the house and maybe the senate. If that happens then get ready for 2 more years of impeachment crap.
techno-ag said:
Wowzers, flown-the-coop has been owning the TDSers on this thread.
Less Evil Hank Scorpio said:flown-the-coop said:Less Evil Hank Scorpio said:
Not a single person said he doesn't have the authority to command the troops. Stop moving the goal posts.
He promised no new wars and then got us in one that is turning out to be harder to win than he anticipated. Take the L.
Take what L?
He promised to put America First. Ending a 47 year conflict before they were on an irreversible path for a nuclear weapon to be used against the United States and its allies is very consistent.
He's been saying the same damn things regarding Iran for 30+ years. He took action in his first admin.
If you voted for him to bend the knee to the Ayatollahs then you were duped for sure.
No goalposts have been moved. What a lazy response.
First of all, how has he ended a 47 year conflict when we literally bombed Iran last night and are now threatening to bomb power plants and bridges?
Second of all, what was being discussed was whether he kept or broke his promise of "No new wars". While the US has not declared war on Iran, no one but the most dedicated goalkeepers call this anything other than a war. Even Trump himself has called it that.
If you are unwilling to concede that Trump broke his "no new wars" promise (whether "justified" or not), there is really no point in talking about anything regarding this because no one can expect you to respond in good faith.
Queso1 said:
I thought we did that last year…or is "utterly and completely" different than "obliterated"?
flown-the-coop said:Queso1 said:
I thought we did that last year…or is "utterly and completely" different than "obliterated"?
Right, I mean it's not been covered at all over hundreds of pages and multiple threads about what last year was about vs this year.
If you cannot make sense of it by now, why keep posting that you have not been able to wrap your head around it?
keep moving the goal post there Bubba… it doesn't seem to be getting very heavy to you at all…flown-the-coop said:Queso1 said:
I thought we did that last year…or is "utterly and completely" different than "obliterated"?
Right, I mean it's not been covered at all over hundreds of pages and multiple threads about what last year was about vs this year.
If you cannot make sense of it by now, why keep posting that you have not been able to wrap your head around it?
flown-the-coop said:
Where exactly were goal posts moved?
Makes no sense.
Logos Stick said:
WTI up 5% today....
US mean gas price up to $4.09! Texas up to $3.70.
here we go.
The Marxists were able to keep control in 2022 with 15% inflation (Carter definition) under Biden. Can the Rs do the same this time?
Bull Meachem said:Logos Stick said:
WTI up 5% today....
US mean gas price up to $4.09! Texas up to $3.70.
here we go.
The Marxists were able to keep control in 2022 with 15% inflation (Carter definition) under Biden. Can the Rs do the same this time?
We voted the current guy in to get prices down and his actions have lead to them going up.
Logos Stick said:Bull Meachem said:Logos Stick said:
WTI up 5% today....
US mean gas price up to $4.09! Texas up to $3.70.
here we go.
The Marxists were able to keep control in 2022 with 15% inflation (Carter definition) under Biden. Can the Rs do the same this time?
We voted the current guy in to get prices down and his actions have lead to them going up.
In the long term, I think taking Iran out was the right thing to do.
It might cost the Rs control of the government. If that happens in 2028, the nation is done as we know it. High gas prices will be the least of our worries.
I'm gonna "enjoy" the high gas prices knowing it could be waaaaay worse!
Bull Meachem said:
Taking out Iran? The regime has fallen?
Iraq2xVeteran said:
I paid $3.399 per gallon at a Casey's in Giddings this past Sunday.
jrdaustin said:
I caught just a few minutes of the Today Show (I know, silly me) this morning, and the narrative was clear.
A couple of minutes about the latest strikes in Iran, followed by a full segment on the affect on gas prices, the fact that the SOR is at lows not seen since the '80s, and the "pain" that Americans are in.
What I found interesting is there wasn't a word about what would happen in the ME if we were to just "walk away".The wisdom of Trump entering this conflict at this point in time can certainly be debated, but now that we're in it, we must finish it.
- Iran immediately resuming attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against Israel and/or the US.
- A paradigm shift in the oil markets due to Iran now claiming control over the Hormuz Strait, as well as...
- A precedent-setting change to the tradition of freedom of navigation on the high seas, whereas any belligerent country can decide to exert control over freedom of movement and commerce - and be allowed to do so.
It seems to me that the media, and many on this very board, would find it acceptable for the US to lose this conflict, and ultimately lose standing across the world for generations, as long as the blame for it can somehow be pinned on Trump.
Talk about short-sighted thinking...
Logos Stick said:Bull Meachem said:
Taking out Iran? The regime has fallen?
No, setting their nuclear program back to the beginning.
jrdaustin said:
I caught just a few minutes of the Today Show (I know, silly me) this morning, and the narrative was clear.
A couple of minutes about the latest strikes in Iran, followed by a full segment on the affect on gas prices, the fact that the SOR is at lows not seen since the '80s, and the "pain" that Americans are in.
What I found interesting is there wasn't a word about what would happen in the ME if we were to just "walk away".The wisdom of Trump entering this conflict at this point in time can certainly be debated, but now that we're in it, we must finish it.
- Iran immediately resuming attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against Israel and/or the US.
- A paradigm shift in the oil markets due to Iran now claiming control over the Hormuz Strait, as well as...
- A precedent-setting change to the tradition of freedom of navigation on the high seas, whereas any belligerent country can decide to exert control over freedom of movement and commerce - and be allowed to do so.
It seems to me that the media, and many on this very board, would find it acceptable for the US to lose this conflict, and ultimately lose standing across the world for generations, as long as the blame for it can somehow be pinned on Trump.
Talk about short-sighted thinking...
Bull Meachem said:jrdaustin said:
I caught just a few minutes of the Today Show (I know, silly me) this morning, and the narrative was clear.
A couple of minutes about the latest strikes in Iran, followed by a full segment on the affect on gas prices, the fact that the SOR is at lows not seen since the '80s, and the "pain" that Americans are in.
What I found interesting is there wasn't a word about what would happen in the ME if we were to just "walk away".The wisdom of Trump entering this conflict at this point in time can certainly be debated, but now that we're in it, we must finish it.
- Iran immediately resuming attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against Israel and/or the US.
- A paradigm shift in the oil markets due to Iran now claiming control over the Hormuz Strait, as well as...
- A precedent-setting change to the tradition of freedom of navigation on the high seas, whereas any belligerent country can decide to exert control over freedom of movement and commerce - and be allowed to do so.
It seems to me that the media, and many on this very board, would find it acceptable for the US to lose this conflict, and ultimately lose standing across the world for generations, as long as the blame for it can somehow be pinned on Trump.
Talk about short-sighted thinking...
Nobody on here wants the U.S. to lose. We just don't think we can win and this could make things worse.
Bull Meachem said:jrdaustin said:
I caught just a few minutes of the Today Show (I know, silly me) this morning, and the narrative was clear.
A couple of minutes about the latest strikes in Iran, followed by a full segment on the affect on gas prices, the fact that the SOR is at lows not seen since the '80s, and the "pain" that Americans are in.
What I found interesting is there wasn't a word about what would happen in the ME if we were to just "walk away".The wisdom of Trump entering this conflict at this point in time can certainly be debated, but now that we're in it, we must finish it.
- Iran immediately resuming attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against Israel and/or the US.
- A paradigm shift in the oil markets due to Iran now claiming control over the Hormuz Strait, as well as...
- A precedent-setting change to the tradition of freedom of navigation on the high seas, whereas any belligerent country can decide to exert control over freedom of movement and commerce - and be allowed to do so.
It seems to me that the media, and many on this very board, would find it acceptable for the US to lose this conflict, and ultimately lose standing across the world for generations, as long as the blame for it can somehow be pinned on Trump.
Talk about short-sighted thinking...
Nobody on here wants the U.S. to lose. We just don't think we can win and this could make things worse.
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It seems to me that the media, and many on this very board, would find it acceptable for the US to lose this conflict, and ultimately lose standing across the world for generations, as long as the blame for it can somehow be pinned on Trump.
Bull Meachem said:
So what is a win for you? Iran isn't budging and we continue to waste money we don't have and continue to ask for more.
Besides WW2, when has U.S. interference achieved the goals we want it to?
