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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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I just hope the CGI is limited but it doesn't look like it will be at all. The remake of Midway was not good IMO because of the lack of realism with the CGI. What makes Top Gun so good is the lack of of all of that and the real world footage. It's not even the computer generated stuff within the jets or the legions of aircraft in the air that bother me. It's the CG background as well. If they would just go film on site and fill in with CG it would be fine, but building an entire movie from it just doesn't look good.

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The problem with Midway regarding the CGI is that of all those aircraft depicted in that movie, there are very few flying examples remaining. Some, like the torpedo bombers, none at all. So how are you going to make that particular movie? Models is the obvious answer (and Christopher Nolan proved that models can still be used to great effect).

With Top Gun/Maverick, they had access to real aircraft, and yes, the result was a better depiction of aerial combat and maneuvers because it was real. In this Devotion movie, those Corsairs and Bearcats look to be real in some shots, while in many others, obvious CGI.

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My dislike of Midway wasn't the CGI aircraft. Like I said earlier, it is that the only thing real in any aerial scene was the actor. The background, the ocean, the clouds, all of it was CGI, or at least there was so much of it that I couldn't tell what was real.

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The acting was also not very good

The Collective said:

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This movie continues to keep plugging away at the Box Office. $16 million to catch Infinity War.

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That's insane.

If they tried to film Midway with practical effects (and no CGI at all), it would have SUCKED.

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So, it's time for a celebration. From Aug. 12-14, 2022, viewers who attend a "Top Gun: Maverick" screening at participating theaters can also see a behind-the-scenes look at shooting onboard the USS Roosevelt with Tom Cruise and the cast to get some insight as to how the filmmakers worked with the Navy to operate, film and live on an active warship.

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How do we find such theatres?

link: https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/2022/08/09/top-gun-maverick-has-gift-fans-movie-theaters-weekend.html

Random Q - I'm trying to remember, why couldn't they just send a drone on the impossible mission?

aTmAg said:

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If they tried to film Midway with practical effects (and no CGI at all), it would have SUCKED.

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It didn't suck in 1976.

Having said that, I liked the 2019 version equally as well, for different reasons, mostly because it actually told the historical story of Midway and did not have some bull crap forced romantic storyline.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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aTmAg said:

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If they tried to film Midway with practical effects (and no CGI at all), it would have SUCKED.

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It didn't suck in 1976.

Having said that, I liked the 2019 version equally as well, for different reasons, mostly because it actually told the historical story of Midway and did not have some bull crap forced romantic storyline.

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They blew up a lot of airframes in that 1976 movie I bet they'd like to have back now.

schmendeler said:

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I think the site was being gps jammed or some such

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yeah, i think that's right. also why they couldn't use the most modern jets.

but why couldn't they have sent some of the same missiles that took out the enemy's runway to take out some of the SAM's?

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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aTmAg said:

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If they tried to film Midway with practical effects (and no CGI at all), it would have SUCKED.

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It didn't suck in 1976.

Having said that, I liked the 2019 version equally as well, for different reasons, mostly because it actually told the historical story of Midway and did not have some bull crap forced romantic storyline.

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Just because some movies do bad CGI doesn't mean all CGI is bad.

Compare the flight scenes from 1976 to 2019 and it's not even close. Except for real footage (which was grainy and obvious as hell), 1976 looked like a bunch of models in a bathtub. Only CGI could provide the ability to show the true size and scope of that battle with a crap ton of planes and carriers. The only flight scene I disliked was the stupid below the deck landings.

schmendeler said:

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I think the site was being gps jammed or some such

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In 2003 we bombed Russian GPS jammers in Iraq with GPS guided bombs just to prove a point. Those bombs use an Inertial Guidance System (INS). The GPS is only used to provide occasional corrections to the INS. Jamming GPS may make the bomb "miss" by a foot or so.

I thought they said they were using radar jammers, not GPS jammers, whatever the difference is there.

aTmAg said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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aTmAg said:

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If they tried to film Midway with practical effects (and no CGI at all), it would have SUCKED.

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It didn't suck in 1976.

Having said that, I liked the 2019 version equally as well, for different reasons, mostly because it actually told the historical story of Midway and did not have some bull crap forced romantic storyline.

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Just because some movies do bad CGI doesn't mean all CGI is bad.

Compare the flight scenes from 1976 to 2019 and it's not even close. Except for real footage (which was grainy and obvious as hell), 1976 looked like a bunch of models in a bathtub. Only CGI could provide the ability to show the true size and scope of that battle with a crap ton of planes and carriers. The only flight scene I disliked was the stupid below the deck landings.

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I don't believe I've ever been one to criticize bad CGI. I can recognize it when I see it, but overall I'm thankful for CGI since it allows for movies that otherwise would likely not be made. The original Midway film sourced film from real footage as you pointed out, but also used some footage from Tora! Tora! Tora! Most of the real footage was flat-out wrongly used as well, in that the footage they chose often featured aircraft that were not even off the drawing board at the time of the battle (and in one case, a jet fighter). The carriers were obviously models. I loved the fact that the new movie depicted the actual aircraft that participated in the battle (save for B-17s and F4Fs). The Jap carriers looked accurate based on my limited knowledge of them.

I don't know if Dick Best had to land his Dauntless as depicted in the movie, but agree that it was eye-rolling. No idea why filmmakers do things like that - show something earlier in a movie and then pull it out again at the end when needed. Stupid.

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_lefraud_ said:

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Man, Lightyear has to be one of the biggest bust/blunders for Disney (and any studio for that matter) all time.

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Kind of nice to see the audience push back on a big franchise when the obvious question everyone has is "why".

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Yeah, and it should have been apparent when we were all arguing what the basic conceit/premise was, months and months ago. On one hand, I totally get how the core idea made sense to Disney/Pixar, and most of us still thought it'd be a huge hit. But from the jump it was never explained well, and then the poor execution of the movie itself was of course the final dagger.

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I can't remember the reason they pulled away from Tim Allen, but having a new voice for Buzz was a bad idea and had to confuse some kids I bet.

Aggie_Journalist said:

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Random Q - I'm trying to remember, why couldn't they just send a drone on the impossible mission?

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because then you wouldn't have needed Tom Cruise and some hot young millenials to fly F-18s!!

duh!!

_lefraud_ said:

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Man, Lightyear has to be one of the biggest bust/blunders for Disney (and any studio for that matter) all time.

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Lightyear was effing awful for the fact that there's NO possible way THAT movie would have produced the toy from the first movie.

Beyond unbelievable.

For sure. Such a dumb choice.

TCTTS said:

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TOP 10 GLOBAL HOLLYWOOD HITS: SUMMER 2022

1. TOP GUN 2 ($1.35B)
2. JURASSIC WORLD: BIG D ($961M)
3. DOCTOR STRANGER ($954M)
4. MINIONS 2 ($758M)
5. THOR 4 ($698M)
6. ELVIS ($252M)
7. LIGHTYEAR ($217M)
8. THE BLACK PHONE ($148M)
9. NOPE ($97M)
10. DOWNTON ABBEY 2 ($91M)

— Exhibitor Relations Co. (@ERCboxoffice) August 9, 2022

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The Black Phone?

That's a movie?