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MyNameIsJeff
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In reply to 12f Mane • 9:07a, 4/10/22
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12f Mane said:
"Texas" and "western" are the same thing. There was a taxonomic change a few years ago that separated the American ratsnakes into species (they were previously all the same species, just broken out into subspecies). Our Texas ratsnakes got renamed Western. I'm personally not a fan of the name change or taxonomic change, and it's a common thing in herpetology at the moment.

That said, western ratsnakes and great plains (southwestern) ratsnakes are different species, and at the moment slowinski's ratsnakes are separated as well.

Western (previously Texas) Ratsnake


Great Plains (Southwestern) Ratsnake


Slowinki's (corn) Ratsnake

I understand the Texas vs. Great Plains ID, but how to I differentiate between the Great Plains and the Corn? I can't tell any noticeable differences in the markings.
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11:11a, 4/10/22
Her pattern is showing up nicely this morning.
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In reply to Null and Void • 11:28a, 4/10/22
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That is a well fed snake. How long do you think it is?
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In reply to SteveBott • 11:42a, 4/10/22
I'm guessing no than 3.5'. There is no shortage of perch in this particular pond.
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11:35a, 4/11/22
Kind of looks like a viper from this angle.
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In reply to Null and Void • 11:58a, 4/11/22
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Why head shape isn't always a good indicator.
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In reply to txags92 • 1:28p, 4/11/22
txags92 said:
From the "Stories from Texas" Facebook page. For sale, one John Deere Tractor, in good shape except for the rattle.

Did any of the experts ever chime on what species of rattlesnake this is? I've never seen that coloration.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 2:38p, 4/11/22
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If the source is reliable and it is actually from Texas, it is a Western. No Eastern's exist West of the Mississippi, to my knowledge.

However, I think the pattern on that guy looks way off for a western and suspect it's actually an Eastern. Seeing as how I am not an expert and have never seen an eastern in the wild, I don't really know. I imagine 12fmane has a bead on this one and can elaborate with his knowledge.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 2:58p, 4/11/22
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ttha_aggie_09 said:
If the source is reliable and it is actually from Texas, it is a Western. No Eastern's exist West of the Mississippi, to my knowledge.

However, I think the pattern on that guy looks way off for a western and suspect it's actually an Eastern. Seeing as how I am not an expert and have never seen an eastern in the wild, I don't really know. I imagine 12fmane has a bead on this one and can elaborate with his knowledge.
I make no claims about the source of that photo or where the picture was taken. It was a friend's friend that shared that page.
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In reply to txags92 • 3:00p, 4/11/22
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That wasn't directed at you, just noting due to the unreliability of things shared on Facebook.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 3:06p, 4/11/22
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ttha_aggie_09 said:
That wasn't directed at you, just noting due to the unreliability of things shared on Facebook.
Thanks. Just went back to the page to see if anybody discussed where the photo was taken or what species the snake was. Somebody mentioned Mojave (Green) Rattlesnakes, and based on the pattern of some of the photos online, I could see that. They supposedly make it over into far west Texas, but I am not sure they would be anywhere a John Deere might be working...
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In reply to TarponChaser • 3:42p, 4/11/22
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Looks like a Mexican species to me, possibly Crotalus totonacus or mictlantecuhtli, but can't be sure without the locale. The Mexican "neotropical" rattlesnakes are confusing.

*edit to add that those species all have striped necks like the snake above, maybe a distinguishing feature.
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8:21p, 4/11/22
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So what kind of water snake do y'all think I have here? I can't find anything that seems to match up with the pattern?

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In reply to Ag97 • 8:38p, 4/11/22
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Broad Banded Water Snake
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 9:05p, 4/11/22
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Thanks for the confirmation.
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In reply to Ag97 • 9:24p, 4/11/22
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Good ID of it being a water snake! Most people think any snake near the water is a CM but Broad Bands seem to cause a lot of confusion for most people. The really bright ones can be mistaken for copperheads, unfortunately. They can be really pretty snakes!
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9:09a, 4/12/22
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Peep-eye. Probably ought to lock that window.

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9:11a, 4/12/22
Is that venom on the window?
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In reply to One-Eyed Fat Man • 9:21a, 4/12/22
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12ga through the glass...
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9:21a, 4/12/22
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looks like either Forest or Mozambique spitting cobra.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 9:29a, 4/12/22
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maroon barchetta said:
Is that venom on the window?
I was also wondering about that. My guess is it's a Mozambique spitting cobra as they're one of the more common varieties and might have spit at its reflection?
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9:32a, 4/12/22
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Here's another pic from the same site. It's a big black mamba up in a tree - exactly why you pay attention when you're reaching up for a fresh, ripe mango. They get in the trees to eat birds. Somebody had killed this one I believe with a shotgun.

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9:32a, 4/12/22
I'm having flashbacks to Marlin Perkins putting Jim Fowler in an enclosure with a spitting cobra but Jim wearing a face shield
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10:51a, 4/12/22
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Cool pics!
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1:23p, 4/12/22
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So what did my employees needlessly slaughter this morning???

"The leftist is driven by something other than facts and can't be cured."
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In reply to The Last Cobra Commander • 2:05p, 4/12/22
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A ratsnake. Enjoy your mice!
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3:53p, 4/12/22
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"The leftist is driven by something other than facts and can't be cured."
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6:44p, 4/12/22
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Kitchen floor at the office
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6:03a, 4/13/22
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Dbws?? Really dark coloration makes it hard for me to be sure.
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In reply to TheClaw07 • 6:22a, 4/13/22
That would be my guess
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In reply to TheClaw07 • 8:08a, 4/13/22
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I want to say Plain Bellied Water Snake. Although faint, that looks more like the pattern they have when they're younger than the pattern of a DBWS. The pattern on a DBWS is typically all black, but this one has a lighter color between the black markings.

Not a bad snake to have around, either way.
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In reply to MyNameIsJeff • 8:14a, 4/13/22
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Yeah, a buddy sent it to me just to check. I know water snake, but wanted to tell him specifically what kind. Appreciate the feedback!
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In reply to MyNameIsJeff • 12:19p, 4/13/22
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MyNameIsJeff said:
I want to say Plain Bellied Water Snake. Although faint, that looks more like the pattern they have when they're younger than the pattern of a DBWS. The pattern on a DBWS is typically all black, but this one has a lighter color between the black markings.

Not a bad snake to have around, either way.
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6:54p, 4/13/22
Can anyone id my new little friend hanging out in my chicken shed? Is he a real rattler or a pretend?

Edit to add vid with sound.

https://imgur.com/a/pfSMCSG
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In reply to Quartz • 6:58p, 4/13/22
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Hard for me to tell for sure on my phone but it looks like a "real" rat snake, aka Chicken Snake, Western Rat Snake
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