*****Official Jan 6th Committee Hearing Thread*****

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3:42p, 6/16/22
Go ahead and ban Trump. He's the only R they have any chance of beating in 2024. DeSantis is gonna destroy them

Please don't throw me in the briar patch!
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In reply to Trucker 96 • 3:43p, 6/16/22
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Go ahead and ban Trump. He's the only R they have any chance of beating in 2024. DeSantis is gonna destroy them

Please don't throw me in the briar patch!

But...but...but....it is said by an expert in fascism that Desantis is a fascist!1!!!!!1!!
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In reply to Squadron7 • 3:45p, 6/16/22
And GWB was literally Hitler when in reality he was basically a warhawking swamp rat D in R clothing. Pretty much numb to the R's are fascists bit
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4:48p, 6/16/22
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Federal prosecutors at the Justice Department chided the House select committee investigating the Capitol riot for withholding hundreds of key transcripts potentially pertinent to DOJ's criminal inquiries.

Reiterating pleas from April in a letter to the panel Wednesday, prosecutors stressed that the Jan. 6 committee's failure to share the documents is stymieing its legal efforts against Capitol rioters. The letter represents the latest flare-up in tensions that have reportedly been simmering between prosecutors and the Jan. 6 committee for weeks.
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"It is now readily apparent that the interviews the Select Committee conducted are not just potentially relevant to our overall criminal investigations, but are likely relevant to specific prosecutions that have already commenced," the letter signed by U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves and Assistant Attorneys General Kenneth Polite Jr. and Matthew Olsen said.

"The Select Committee's failure to grant the Department access to these transcripts complicates the Department's ability to investigate and prosecute those who engaged in criminal conduct in relation to the January 6 attack on the Capitol," the letter continued.
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Last month, Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) responded publicly to that letter and signaled the panel would not accommodate that request. Following reports of the new letter, Thompson said the panel will not turn over the requested documents by the end of the week because it has a lot of work left to do in its hearings.

"We are not going to stop what we're doing to share the information that we've gotten so far with the Department of Justice. We have to do our work," Thompson said. "We will eventually cooperate with them. We have five more hearings to work through."

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4:51p, 6/16/22
Not watching this clown show. But curious: has Ashley Babbitt's name been mentioned yet? Her photo put up on the display screen? Any discussion of her murder?

Yeah ... didn't think so ...

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In reply to milner79 • 4:56p, 6/16/22
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No.
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5:08p, 6/16/22
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DeSantis is a 'very dangerous individual' because he has 'already absorbed all the lessons of Trump' but doesn't have any of the baggage, an expert on fascism argues
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Ruth Ben-Ghiat is a historian at New York University, and the author of the book, "Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present." She has studied the backsliding of democracy, from the US to Russia, and elsewhere.
In a wide-ranging interview, she told Insider that in light of the January 6 hearings, Trump might have to be prosecuted in order to save American democracy ahead of the 2024 election. In that context, she said that DeSantis could take his place as a populist nominee.

"What we do find in history is prosecution, in the longer term, is one of the only things that deflates these guys' personality cults, because those cults are founded on the idea that they are invincible, they are infallible," Ben-Ghiat said. "Now, if that does happen to Trump DeSantis has already absorbed all the lessons of Trump."
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5:14p, 6/16/22
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:18p, 6/16/22
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This swamp creature is actually the clear and present danger to the american democracy, not Trump.

He is also a horrible actor.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:35p, 6/16/22
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Federal prosecutors at the Justice Department chided the House select committee investigating the Capitol riot for withholding hundreds of key transcripts potentially pertinent to DOJ's criminal inquiries.

Reiterating pleas from April in a letter to the panel Wednesday, prosecutors stressed that the Jan. 6 committee's failure to share the documents is stymieing its legal efforts against Capitol rioters. The letter represents the latest flare-up in tensions that have reportedly been simmering between prosecutors and the Jan. 6 committee for weeks.
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"It is now readily apparent that the interviews the Select Committee conducted are not just potentially relevant to our overall criminal investigations, but are likely relevant to specific prosecutions that have already commenced," the letter signed by U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves and Assistant Attorneys General Kenneth Polite Jr. and Matthew Olsen said.

"The Select Committee's failure to grant the Department access to these transcripts complicates the Department's ability to investigate and prosecute those who engaged in criminal conduct in relation to the January 6 attack on the Capitol," the letter continued.
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Last month, Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) responded publicly to that letter and signaled the panel would not accommodate that request. Following reports of the new letter, Thompson said the panel will not turn over the requested documents by the end of the week because it has a lot of work left to do in its hearings.

"We are not going to stop what we're doing to share the information that we've gotten so far with the Department of Justice. We have to do our work," Thompson said. "We will eventually cooperate with them. We have five more hearings to work through."

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Sorry we can't let you proceed with cases in court where they will all be found not guilty, we have to keep the show trial going here in congress to try and distract America from our ****ty policies.

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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:51p, 6/16/22
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Well this went sideways.

Former Judge Luttig just called Trump a "clear and present danger" and then slams any Republican candidate in 2024 will also try to steal an election and not concede defeat. He didn't mention DeSantis directly but that was a pretty low blow.


Let's convict all criminals before they commit crimes. My kind of hanging judge, except for that whole due process thing.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:57p, 6/16/22
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Good lord, could he possibly have spoken any slower? Seems like a good indication he's lying out his backside.

Of course, I was distracted, because I kept expecting his tongue to come out and nab a passing fly, after which he would go "Ribbit, ribbit."
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In reply to aggiehawg • 6:22p, 6/16/22
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We all better hope we win in 2024. Will be better for all Americans as is proven daily while under Biden.
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In reply to Carolin_Gallego • 9:51p, 6/16/22
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aggiehawg said:
Well this went sideways.

Former Judge Luttig just called Trump a "clear and present danger" and then slams any Republican candidate in 2024 will also try to steal an election and not concede defeat. He didn't mention DeSantis directly but that was a pretty low blow.

That was a very short interview with him saying the same stuff he did in his OpEd. He did not say "any Republican candidate." He said Trump or his "anointed successor." Do you think Trump would anoint DeSantis?

The Greg Jacob interview was much more interesting with his testimony about his meeting with Pence, Eastman and Trump, where Eastman proposed two ways for Pence to reject the legitimate electors and conceding that his legal arguments are unlawful but he and Trump continued to pressure Pence to proceed with their plan anyway.
Hopefully Trump anoints Pence.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 11:21p, 6/16/22
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Federal prosecutors at the Justice Department chided the House select committee investigating the Capitol riot for withholding hundreds of key transcripts potentially pertinent to DOJ's criminal inquiries.

Reiterating pleas from April in a letter to the panel Wednesday, prosecutors stressed that the Jan. 6 committee's failure to share the documents is stymieing its legal efforts against Capitol rioters. The letter represents the latest flare-up in tensions that have reportedly been simmering between prosecutors and the Jan. 6 committee for weeks.
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"It is now readily apparent that the interviews the Select Committee conducted are not just potentially relevant to our overall criminal investigations, but are likely relevant to specific prosecutions that have already commenced," the letter signed by U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves and Assistant Attorneys General Kenneth Polite Jr. and Matthew Olsen said.

"The Select Committee's failure to grant the Department access to these transcripts complicates the Department's ability to investigate and prosecute those who engaged in criminal conduct in relation to the January 6 attack on the Capitol," the letter continued.
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Last month, Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) responded publicly to that letter and signaled the panel would not accommodate that request. Following reports of the new letter, Thompson said the panel will not turn over the requested documents by the end of the week because it has a lot of work left to do in its hearings.

"We are not going to stop what we're doing to share the information that we've gotten so far with the Department of Justice. We have to do our work," Thompson said. "We will eventually cooperate with them. We have five more hearings to work through."

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Hawg, is it possible that if the "Committee" released some transcripts for use by the Justice Department for prosecution, that ALL transcripts could be subject to discovery by the defense?

And the exculpatory nature of the whole is what they're actually afraid of, rather than their piecemeal usage of selected bits?

That's actually the first thing that went through my mind when I read the above...
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In reply to jrdaustin • 8:14a, 6/17/22
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aggiehawg said:
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Federal prosecutors at the Justice Department chided the House select committee investigating the Capitol riot for withholding hundreds of key transcripts potentially pertinent to DOJ's criminal inquiries.

Reiterating pleas from April in a letter to the panel Wednesday, prosecutors stressed that the Jan. 6 committee's failure to share the documents is stymieing its legal efforts against Capitol rioters. The letter represents the latest flare-up in tensions that have reportedly been simmering between prosecutors and the Jan. 6 committee for weeks.
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"It is now readily apparent that the interviews the Select Committee conducted are not just potentially relevant to our overall criminal investigations, but are likely relevant to specific prosecutions that have already commenced," the letter signed by U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves and Assistant Attorneys General Kenneth Polite Jr. and Matthew Olsen said.

"The Select Committee's failure to grant the Department access to these transcripts complicates the Department's ability to investigate and prosecute those who engaged in criminal conduct in relation to the January 6 attack on the Capitol," the letter continued.
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Last month, Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) responded publicly to that letter and signaled the panel would not accommodate that request. Following reports of the new letter, Thompson said the panel will not turn over the requested documents by the end of the week because it has a lot of work left to do in its hearings.

"We are not going to stop what we're doing to share the information that we've gotten so far with the Department of Justice. We have to do our work," Thompson said. "We will eventually cooperate with them. We have five more hearings to work through."

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Hawg, is it possible that if the "Committee" released some transcripts for use by the Justice Department for prosecution, that ALL transcripts could be subject to discovery by the defense?

And the exculpatory nature of the whole is what they're actually afraid of, rather than their piecemeal usage of selected bits?

That's actually the first thing that went through my mind when I read the above...
Excellent question. Prosecutors have an affirmative duty to provide the defense with exculpatory evidence under the Brady decision. Also there is a duty to reveal materials related to plea deals under Giglio that would be relevant to many Jan 6th cases.

If you remember during the Michael Flynn case, his first set of lawyers had a huge conflict of interest in that it had there advice that his company was not required to submit a federal filing under FARA. And the Team Mueller used that fact to have his lawyers pressure Flynn to plead guilty.

The fact that DOJ is complaining that materials and information are being withheld from them by the Committee (meaning Pelosi) puts them in a bind and could affect some convictions and plea deals already entered.

Not holding out much hope because the federal judiciary at the district court level in DC is largely trash and the DC Circuit isn't much better.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:07p, 6/17/22
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Why should we care about this guy's opinion?

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In reply to captkirk • 5:09p, 6/17/22
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aggiehawg said:
Why should we care about this guy's opinion?
He's been on the short list for SCOTUS for the GOP going back to W.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:23p, 6/17/22
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captkirk said:
aggiehawg said:
Why should we care about this guy's opinion?
He's been on the short list for SCOTUS for the GOP going back to W.


So you're saying he's a Conservative legal scholar?
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aggiehawg said:
captkirk said:
aggiehawg said:
Why should we care about this guy's opinion?
He's been on the short list for SCOTUS for the GOP going back to W.


So you're saying he's a Conservative legal scholar?
Former 4th Circuit Judge and was a respected conservative jurist. He retired from the bench in 2006 to go be the General Counsel for Boeing and make big bucks. Left Boeing in 2019.

So yes, he used to have a good reputation but has been out of view until he resurfaced with Pence's team.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:37p, 6/17/22
Thank you ma'am
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In reply to captkirk • 5:53p, 6/17/22
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In the real world this costs you your job.
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5:58p, 6/17/22
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And this is why Luttig's remarks were overly dramatic and stupid. Guess he wants a high paying job working for Hillary.

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Go ahead and ban Trump. He's the only R they have any chance of beating in 2024. DeSantis is gonna destroy them

Please don't throw me in the briar patch!


That's what the liars don't understand. Ban Trump and there will be a tidal wave of support for Ron when Don endorses. Then they'll say Ron is Don's puppet. It all so dumb.
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6:32p, 6/17/22


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Fox confirms that group of persons associated with The Late Show Stephen Colbert were arrested last night and charged with illegal entry to House office buildings after hours.

Fox is told the people were arrested in the Longworth House Office Building. The group was in the Cannon House Office Building earlier in the day trying to get interviews around the time of the 1/6 committee hearing

However, USCP shooed them away because they did not have proper press credentials

However, the group surfaced later that night after the Capitol complex was closed to the public Fox is told they took pictures and video around the offices of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) and Lauren Boebert (R-CO)

They were unescorted and arrested and charged with illegal entry. They were arrested near Boebert's office. They were released overnight.

Fox has confirmed the arrests of these nine persons through a senior House source.

Jake Plunkett
Allison Martinez
Tyrone Dean
Stephen Romond
Nicoletta Green
Brendan Hurley
Robert Smigel
Josh Comers
David Feldman

Robert Smigel is known for being the voice of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog. He also produced short cartoons for Saturday Night Live's "TV Funhouse."

USCP have issued the following statement: "On June 16, 2022, at approximately 8:30 p.m., U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) received a call for a disturbance in the Longworth House Office Building. Responding officers observed seven individuals, unescorted and without Congressional ID, in a sixth-floor hallway. The building was closed to visitors, and these individuals were determined to be a part of a group that had been directed by the USCP to leave the building earlier in the day. They were charged with Unlawful Entry. This is an active criminal investigation, and may result in additional criminal charges after consultation with the U.S. Attorney."
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In reply to aggiehawg • 7:07p, 6/17/22
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And this is why Luttig's remarks were overly dramatic and stupid. Guess he wants a high paying job working for Hillary.

GCF has some large cajones given what is now widely known about the Russian Collusion hoax
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In reply to aggiehawg • 8:52p, 6/17/22
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aggiehawg said:
K2-HMFIC said:
aggiehawg said:
captkirk said:
aggiehawg said:
Why should we care about this guy's opinion?
He's been on the short list for SCOTUS for the GOP going back to W.


So you're saying he's a Conservative legal scholar?
Former 4th Circuit Judge and was a respected conservative jurist. He retired from the bench in 2006 to go be the General Counsel for Boeing and make big bucks. Left Boeing in 2019.

So yes, he used to have a good reputation but has been out of view until he resurfaced with Pence's team.

He was working for Boeing during the Max8 debacle, if that tells you anything
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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 8:56p, 6/17/22
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CanyonAg77 said:
aggiehawg said:
K2-HMFIC said:
aggiehawg said:
captkirk said:
aggiehawg said:
Why should we care about this guy's opinion?
He's been on the short list for SCOTUS for the GOP going back to W.


So you're saying he's a Conservative legal scholar?
Former 4th Circuit Judge and was a respected conservative jurist. He retired from the bench in 2006 to go be the General Counsel for Boeing and make big bucks. Left Boeing in 2019.

So yes, he used to have a good reputation but has been out of view until he resurfaced with Pence's team.

He was working for Boeing during the Max8 debacle, if that tells you anything
I noted that as well. He left in 2019. Did he resign, or was he forced out to take a smaller golden parachute? Or just fired?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:24a, 6/18/22
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And this is why Luttig's remarks were overly dramatic and stupid. Guess he wants a high paying job working for Hillary.


Heinous that a former Senator, Sec of State, and Presidential candidate would make such statements. Elitists want to control you for your own good
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In reply to tysker • 10:13a, 6/18/22
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aggiehawg said:
And this is why Luttig's remarks were overly dramatic and stupid. Guess he wants a high paying job working for Hillary.


Heinous that a former Senator, Sec of State, and Presidential candidate would make such statements. Elitists want to control you for your own good


To quote Hillary, "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
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10:28a, 6/18/22
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The problem here is the wording. Saying that your opinion is someone a "threat to democracy" is merely opinion.

Saying someone or some group is a "clear and present danger" has a legal meaning pertaining directly to national security, such as espionage by a foreign government, for instance. Although the Garland Justice Department has expanded that definition greatly, to include Moms at a school board meeting.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:56a, 6/18/22
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Shes too smart to have used that turn of phrase or term of art without knowing the conceit and consequences.
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In reply to tysker • 11:01a, 6/18/22
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Shes too smart to have used that turn of phrase or term of art without knowing the conceit and consequences.
She had cover when a "respected" conservative judge like Luttig said it first, under oath at a Congressional "hearing."

Words can be dangerous when they have specific legal meanings, even of the public at large doesn't always understand their specialized meaning.

To say that Luttig's knowing invocation of that term was...uhm...improvident...is an understatement.
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