*****Official Jan 6th Committee Hearing Thread*****

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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 11:00a, 6/10/22
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MouthBQ98 said:
Trump does not run the police or national guard. He had no authority to act.

The security for the house was the responsibility of capitol police and DC police, so Nancy Pelosi, the sargeant at arms, and the DC mayor and police chief.

They ALL previously declined his offer for help, and there is no way in hell the president can just send in any military or federal police in on his own order into the congressional building.


No no, they don want to hear facts. It ruins their story.
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 11:00a, 6/10/22
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Even if he was, he wasn't supporting them in any material way, and had offered to put in place security at a level that absolutely would have prevented the entire event but was stopped.
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In reply to aggie93 • 11:00a, 6/10/22
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aggie93 said:
Carolin_Gallego said:
Im Gipper said:
Oh stop!

These rioters were never any threat to anything. They are mostly a rag tag bunch of losers that accomplished nothing other than a criminal record.

Trump trying to subvert the rule of law to stay in power also failed massively. His fake elector plan was rejected by everyone that mattered.





There was some threat. I'm glad you acknowledge Trump's concerted effort to break the law.
K. So maybe you can explain to me how this is what these folks who actually got through did?

Hey, a little warning when posting graphic violence and injuries. Come on Man.

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In reply to Malibu • 11:02a, 6/10/22
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Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
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In reply to Malibu • 11:03a, 6/10/22
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Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?

Jan 2: Trump administration queries Capital Police as to whether or not they will require National Guard. Capital Police decline National Guard.

Jan 3: Capital Police go to House and Senate Sergeant at Arms (both report to Pelosi) to request National Guard following change of risk assessment. Sergeants at Arms both deny request. Sergeants at Arms refer Capital Police to National Guard to discuss feasibility.

Jan 5: Mayor of DC rejects offers of assistance from National Guard and certifies that Metropolitan Police is sufficiently staffed, trained and prepared for the demonstrations.

Seems to me that Trump did things productive to ensure a safe environment. Shouldn't we ask these same types of questions as to why the additional support was rejected?
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In reply to Gigem314 • 11:04a, 6/10/22
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Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.

This is the answer, so just keep reposting this at their silly questions
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In reply to Im Gipper • 11:05a, 6/10/22
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Im Gipper said:
60 feet??

Oh no!!

The horror!!

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In reply to Im Gipper • 11:06a, 6/10/22
Im Gipper said:
Oh stop!

These rioters were never any threat to anything. They are mostly a rag tag bunch of losers that accomplished nothing other than a criminal record.

Trump trying to subvert the rule of law to stay in power also failed massively. His fake elector plan was rejected by everyone that mattered.
These rioters assaulted the Capitol Police to gain entry. They broke down barricades and windows to gain entry. If a group was to do that you your house, would say they were no threat if all they carried was baseball bats and flagpoles?

You are correct, they were a bunch of losers. But, they did accomplish something. They made an organized attack on the duly elected representatives of this country in an attempt to prevent them from carrying out their duties as required by the Constitution, showing that in order for this Republic to remain, the rule of law must be followed. Otherwise, we get mob rule.

The fact that Loser Donald failed in his attempt to subvert the rule of law to stay in power is irrelevant. What is relevant is the attempt. He tried to subvert the Constitution, a document he swore on the Bible to protect. Yeah, he lied to God.

What a loser.
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 11:07a, 6/10/22
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larry culpepper said:
What's crazy is that back on 1/6/21, pretty much everyone (other than complete lunatics) saw what was happening and was like "whoa, things have gone too far." But now that a year and half has passed and Trump has had time to make excuses, all of these people now laugh and scoff at people who still think 1/6 was a bad thing.

They point to the most innocent of the rioters, those who were just standing in the halls, but ignore the most violent. And of course, ignore the intent of the entire demonstration. Mental gymnastics.

Yes, I know, the BLM riots were also bad.
Even if it was not a great thing, the response is driving a nail into a board with an atomic bomb.

Complete and utter overkill, to the extreme.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

--Thomas Jefferson
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In reply to Gigem314 • 11:07a, 6/10/22
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Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
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In reply to Watermelon Man • 11:07a, 6/10/22
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Watermelon Man said:
Im Gipper said:
Oh stop!

These rioters were never any threat to anything. They are mostly a rag tag bunch of losers that accomplished nothing other than a criminal record.

Trump trying to subvert the rule of law to stay in power also failed massively. His fake elector plan was rejected by everyone that mattered.
These rioters assaulted the Capitol Police to gain entry. They broke down barricades and windows to gain entry. If a group was to do that you your house, would say they were no threat if all they carried was baseball bats and flagpoles?

You are correct, they were a bunch of losers. But, they did accomplish something. They made an organized attack on the duly elected representatives of this country in an attempt to prevent them from carrying out their duties as required by the Constitution, showing that in order for this Republic to remain, the rule of law must be followed. Otherwise, we get mob rule.

The fact that Loser Donald failed in his attempt to subvert the rule of law to stay in power is irrelevant. What is relevant is the attempt. He tried to subvert the Constitution, a document he swore on the Bible to protect. Yeah, he lied to God.

What a loser.
Organized by Ray Epps.

How come he is not being questioned regarding this?
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

--Thomas Jefferson
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In reply to Malibu • 11:08a, 6/10/22
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
Maybe he was skeered, like the Uvalde police.
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11:09a, 6/10/22
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What's crazy is that back on 1/6/21, pretty much everyone (other than complete lunatics) saw what was happening and was like "whoa, things have gone too far."

It's almost as if the reporting on 1/6 was heavily sensationalized, incomplete and lacked context.
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11:11a, 6/10/22
Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Fool me 36,762 times and you must be the U.S. government and legacy media working together to manipulate the easily manipulated.
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11:14a, 6/10/22
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Good substack on the left using the Azov nazis for years leading up to, and instigating Jan 6:

https://georgeeliason.substack.com/p/was-january-6th-violence-a-ukrainian?s=r


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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 11:19a, 6/10/22
MouthBQ98 said:
Trump does not run the police or national guard. He had no authority to act.

The security for the house was the responsibility of capitol police and DC police, so Nancy Pelosi, the sargeant at arms, and the DC mayor and police chief.

They ALL previously declined his offer for help, and there is no way in hell the president can just send in any military or federal police in on his own order into the congressional building.


Trump could have called off the rioters. There is definitive evidence that rioters were responding to his tweets as he was making them during the riot.

The security of the capitol was not the responsibility of Nancy Pelosi. The Capitol Police chief reports to the Capitol Police Board which includes the Sergeants at Arms for both chambers who are elected by their chambers and none of them report to Pelosi. After hours of testimony, we know Pelosi was never involved in Capitol security decisions. And even if she was, this argument is illogical scapegoating. It would not change Trump's culpability.

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In reply to Sims • 11:21a, 6/10/22
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Sims said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?

Jan 2: Trump administration queries Capital Police as to whether or not they will require National Guard. Capital Police decline National Guard.

Jan 3: Capital Police go to House and Senate Sergeant at Arms (both report to Pelosi) to request National Guard following change of risk assessment. Sergeants at Arms both deny request. Sergeants at Arms refer Capital Police to National Guard to discuss feasibility.

Jan 5: Mayor of DC rejects offers of assistance from National Guard and certifies that Metropolitan Police is sufficiently staffed, trained and prepared for the demonstrations.

Seems to me that Trump did things productive to ensure a safe environment. Shouldn't we ask these same types of questions as to why the additional support was rejected?
Why are these posts always ignored and never refuted?

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In reply to Gigem314 • 11:21a, 6/10/22
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Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
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11:22a, 6/10/22
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The usual suspects are, as usual, showing themselves to be mental midgets. The fact that anyone supports these show trials and believes that 1/6 is some sort of scourge on the republic is insane. It was a couple idiots who did nothing violent and accomplished nothing.

The fact that y'all expect us to clutch our pearls and act like they were acting on behalf of Trump himself, who said to protest "peacefully," is insane. Turn off MSNBC and think for yourself.
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In reply to Gigem314 • 11:23a, 6/10/22
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
We believe progress is made through MORE discussion, not LESS, and we believe that to be true even if the topics are uncomfortable and we occasionally disagree with one another. - TexAgs
The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
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In reply to Rockdoc • 11:24a, 6/10/22
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Rockdoc said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
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In reply to Carolin_Gallego • 11:25a, 6/10/22
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Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Why can't you answer the question of why your party rejected it?

If they truly believed an insurrection was imminent, then why would they reject additional security?
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In reply to Gigem314 • 11:27a, 6/10/22
Gigem314 said:
Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Why can't you answer the question of why your party rejected it?

If they truly believed an insurrection was imminent, then why would they reject additional security?
We have had hearings that have proved that Nancy Pelosi was not involved in the security decisions.

And this argument is illogical scapegoating. It would not change Trump's culpability.
We believe progress is made through MORE discussion, not LESS, and we believe that to be true even if the topics are uncomfortable and we occasionally disagree with one another. - TexAgs
The name-calling technique making false associations is a child's game. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject a person and their argument on this false basis.
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In reply to Carolin_Gallego • 11:28a, 6/10/22
Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Clob checks his notes--

Yup-- Pence was definitely a part of the Trump administration.

So what's your next bit of poppycock and gobbledygook?
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11:29a, 6/10/22
If this "coup" almost caused the downfall of our government, it must be pretty dang fragile.

Perhaps a few slingshots is all it would take to be successful.
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In reply to Carolin_Gallego • 11:30a, 6/10/22
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Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Why can't you answer the question of why your party rejected it?

If they truly believed an insurrection was imminent, then why would they reject additional security?
We have had hearings that have proved that Nancy Pelosi was not involved in the security decisions.

And this argument is illogical scapegoating. It would not change Trump's culpability.
What proof do you have that Trump was responsible for it? You've still yet to show anything of substance.
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In reply to Clob94 • 11:31a, 6/10/22
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Clob94 said:
Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Clob checks his notes--

Yup-- Pence was definitely a part of the Trump administration.

So what's your next bit of poppycock and gobbledygook?
The tin foil hat believers will never give up on their fairy tale that Trump started a violent insurrection to take over the country as dictator and should be sent to jail.

#AnyDayNow
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11:32a, 6/10/22
It's deja vu all over again. Impeachments and Russian collusion proponents had trump dead to rights, too. Adam Schiff has seen the evidence.
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In reply to Clob94 • 11:35a, 6/10/22
Clob94 said:
Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Clob checks his notes--

Yup-- Pence was definitely a part of the Trump administration.

So what's your next bit of poppycock and gobbledygook?

Check your notes again.

Pence rejected Trump's plan. And Trump made his dissatisfaction known to the rioters by tweeting,

Quote:
Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.

Soon after, rioters in the Capitol were searching for Pence yelling "Hang Mike Pence!"

So what's your next bit?
We believe progress is made through MORE discussion, not LESS, and we believe that to be true even if the topics are uncomfortable and we occasionally disagree with one another. - TexAgs
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In reply to My Name Is Judge • 11:36a, 6/10/22
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Dan Scott said:
This committee is really blowing it. Nobody really cares about a cops story. We know cops got attacked, it's in the videos. They have been hyping this about revealing Trumps role. That's why it's on primetime. After 2 hours nothing. People are not going to tune in to watch again


They're not blowing anything….

Reality is they don't have anything …

This whole ****show is a bull**** distraction while the establishment robs the middle class blind

THIS. 1000%

I mean, PRIME TIME?!?
When have they EVER held a Congressional hearing @8:00 pm?

A POX on all their houses....
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In reply to Carolin_Gallego • 11:40a, 6/10/22
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This whole thing is a disgusting farce. Just embarrassing for all involved. They should be ashamed. Trump did nothing wrong.

Our country has gone to **** and they're wasting time and money on bull*****

This is as much a lie and corruption as the stolen election.

Democrats lie, steal and cheat. Always. Everything they've accused Trump of doing, he hasn't. They have. May they all go to hell.

Just despicable.
Currently a happy listless vessel and deplorable. #FDEMS TRUMP 2024.
Fight Fight Fight.
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In reply to Proc92 • 11:40a, 6/10/22
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Proc92 said:
It's deja vu all over again. Impeachments and Russian collusion proponents had trump dead to rights, too. Adam Schiff has seen the evidence.
This time they really got him!

This time it's for real!
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In reply to Carolin_Gallego • 11:47a, 6/10/22
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Carolin_Gallego said:
Clob94 said:
Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Clob checks his notes--

Yup-- Pence was definitely a part of the Trump administration.

So what's your next bit of poppycock and gobbledygook?

Check your notes again.

Pence rejected Trump's plan. And Trump made his dissatisfaction known to the rioters by tweeting,

Quote:
Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.

Soon after, rioters in the Capitol were searching for Pence yelling "Hang Mike Pence!"

So what's your next bit?
This is absolute cherry picking.

Days before, Lin Wood tweeted that Pence could be arrested and tried for treason (we all know what the penalty for treason is).

There was a whole cesspool of threats to Pence leading up to Jan 6...Trump's tweet didn't "activate" them and you know it.
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11:49a, 6/10/22
Trump was 100% less a cause of the insurrection than Schumer was for the assassination attempt on kav.
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In reply to Carolin_Gallego • 11:50a, 6/10/22
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Carolin_Gallego said:
Clob94 said:
Carolin_Gallego said:
Gigem314 said:
Malibu2 said:
Anyone want to respond why it took Trump more than an hour to do anything productive to try to stop it?
He preemptively offered national guard assistance and additional security to the Capitol Police and Nancy Pelosi rejected it. Still waiting for the left to respond as to why their leaders didn't care enough to accept additional security.
Pence -- not Trump -- asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6
Clob checks his notes--

Yup-- Pence was definitely a part of the Trump administration.

So what's your next bit of poppycock and gobbledygook?

Check your notes again.

Pence rejected Trump's plan. And Trump made his dissatisfaction known to the rioters by tweeting,

Quote:
Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.

Soon after, rioters in the Capitol were searching for Pence yelling "Hang Mike Pence!"

So what's your next bit?

What's your next bit? That's the question. You poor dems are in such bad shape, all you've got to run on for the midterms is "orange man bad". You can't run on anything y'all have done. That's all your blathering is about. How sad for you.
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