*** SUCCESSION *** (Season 4)

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In reply to Diggity • 10:26a, 3/27/23
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My favorites exchanges last night were with kids with their banker.

"OK, but is it actually worth that?" -Roman

"It's worth what the top bidder will pay...I guess" -Tellis

"Wow, I really wish I went to Harvard Business School like you T. It is intimidating talking to an intellectual giant like yourself" -Roman
Yeah; I laughed out loud at that one. Most of my conversations with my Mom go like that as she tries to sell junk on Facebook Marketplace. "This Ernest doll is worth $300." "No Mother, it is only worth what someone will pay for it" ~ best offer is $25.

I think Logan's attempt to acquire the other company was going to be a last ditch effort to bolster the stock price for him to make a run at actually acquiring GoJo like he had planned originally or using it as leverage for something else. His call to the kids though was great; "Congratulations on saying the biggest number you stupid ****s." They basically wasted 3 billion dollars by entering the bidding war with their Father.
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In reply to jackie childs • 11:32a, 3/27/23
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I don't think the Roy's have a clear Michael, which is kind of the point of the whole series
True and why I combined Shiv and Kendall but even then, they don't have the smarts Michael had. That one was kinda shoe-horned in.
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In reply to BowSowy • 11:53a, 3/27/23
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Tom is still a buffoon. And was more worried about Shiv thinking he was banging Naomi than he was about tipping her off to the deal.
Tom 100% intentionally tipped her off. Tom is anything but an idiot.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 11:54a, 3/27/23
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I found it odd/interesting how he was closing a deal to acquire Pierce, just 2 days before the sale to GoJo. Why? Do we think that the GoJo sale is dependent on that acquisition?

And clearly the kids money depends on the sale of GoJo happening. Wonder if that sets off a chain of events
I think this was separate from the Waystar Gojo merger. He wasn't acquiring Pierce for Waystar.
Considering neither Logan nor the kids can buy Pierce until Gojo goes through and they get money for their stock its obviously not part of that deal but a move that comes after.
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In reply to Quinn • 11:57a, 3/27/23
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Great first episode! A few random thoughts:

- I can't decide if Tom let Shiv know for love or strategy. Think that it's likely a slip up bc of love, but intentionally unclear.

- Roman being the voice of reason with his siblings was kind of scary. You're in a rough spot if he's the one doing that.

- Picked this up from The Ringer, but Logan saying "Nobody tells jokes anymore" was him missing the banter/commentary of his kids.

- Greg continues his fall upward with hilarity. Wouldn't be shocked if he's the only family member still working for the business when all is said and done.
IMO Tom did it intentionally for love. He obviously still wants to reconcile, but shiv is so broken she can't. That scene between the two of them is just so good. Tom trying desprately to air things out and shiv trying desprately to avoid doing so.

I think between that and the diner scene its amazing how Logan ahs broken all his kids so badly.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 11:59a, 3/27/23
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so many great scenes already mentioned, but loved that we got another great scene in a diner too. obviously we think we're going to see a nice conversation between Logan and Colin, but really, Logan is not interested in what Colin has to say, only in saying what he wants to.

and we finally see the kids all working together, which is a nice moment...but it's clear they still really have no clue what they're doing. hard to imagine the Pierce deal not backfiring on them or at least falling through, right?

man, what a great first episode
When Roman is the voice of reason you know you're ****ed. I like how he tried to convey to them these numbers they were throwing around were astronomically large and they were like "so what." Great line by Logan: "Congratulations on saying the biggest number you ****ing morons."
They were so afraid of getting beat by the old man, they upped their bid $2b based on their paranoia.
I think you can take it as they were right to do so though. Logan would have paid that and more, and he tried to, but they had closed the bidding. They beat him at his own game for the first time in the show.
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In reply to MBAR • 12:03p, 3/27/23
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Chuck Cunningham said:
Prosperdick said:
jackie childs said:
so many great scenes already mentioned, but loved that we got another great scene in a diner too. obviously we think we're going to see a nice conversation between Logan and Colin, but really, Logan is not interested in what Colin has to say, only in saying what he wants to.

and we finally see the kids all working together, which is a nice moment...but it's clear they still really have no clue what they're doing. hard to imagine the Pierce deal not backfiring on them or at least falling through, right?

man, what a great first episode
When Roman is the voice of reason you know you're ****ed. I like how he tried to convey to them these numbers they were throwing around were astronomically large and they were like "so what." Great line by Logan: "Congratulations on saying the biggest number you ****ing morons."
They were so afraid of getting beat by the old man, they upped their bid $2b based on their paranoia.
I think you can take it as they were right to do so though. Logan would have paid that and more, and he tried to, but they had closed the bidding. They beat him at his own game for the first time in the show.
his game of buying dying media companies at a 40% premium?
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In reply to MBAR • 12:25p, 3/27/23
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MBAR said:
Chuck Cunningham said:
Prosperdick said:
jackie childs said:
so many great scenes already mentioned, but loved that we got another great scene in a diner too. obviously we think we're going to see a nice conversation between Logan and Colin, but really, Logan is not interested in what Colin has to say, only in saying what he wants to.

and we finally see the kids all working together, which is a nice moment...but it's clear they still really have no clue what they're doing. hard to imagine the Pierce deal not backfiring on them or at least falling through, right?

man, what a great first episode
When Roman is the voice of reason you know you're ****ed. I like how he tried to convey to them these numbers they were throwing around were astronomically large and they were like "so what." Great line by Logan: "Congratulations on saying the biggest number you ****ing morons."
They were so afraid of getting beat by the old man, they upped their bid $2b based on their paranoia.
I think you can take it as they were right to do so though. Logan would have paid that and more, and he tried to, but they had closed the bidding. They beat him at his own game for the first time in the show.
They closed the bidding because it was $3bn more than what any one in their right mind would've bid.

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In reply to Rudyjax • 12:26p, 3/27/23
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Chuck Cunningham said:
MBAR said:
Chuck Cunningham said:
Prosperdick said:
jackie childs said:
so many great scenes already mentioned, but loved that we got another great scene in a diner too. obviously we think we're going to see a nice conversation between Logan and Colin, but really, Logan is not interested in what Colin has to say, only in saying what he wants to.

and we finally see the kids all working together, which is a nice moment...but it's clear they still really have no clue what they're doing. hard to imagine the Pierce deal not backfiring on them or at least falling through, right?

man, what a great first episode
When Roman is the voice of reason you know you're ****ed. I like how he tried to convey to them these numbers they were throwing around were astronomically large and they were like "so what." Great line by Logan: "Congratulations on saying the biggest number you ****ing morons."
They were so afraid of getting beat by the old man, they upped their bid $2b based on their paranoia.
I think you can take it as they were right to do so though. Logan would have paid that and more, and he tried to, but they had closed the bidding. They beat him at his own game for the first time in the show.
They closed the bidding because it was $3bn more than what any one in their right mind would've bid.

Logan wanted to outbid them still. Did you miss that? Yeah, they came in super high, but Logan still wanted to pay MORE bust wasn't allowed to.
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In reply to MBAR • 12:27p, 3/27/23
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not because it was a good idea, but because he had made it personal.
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12:33p, 3/27/23
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Well no **** lol, but that's the only way they were going to beat him. He was never gonig to let them walk away with that company he wanted.

You guys are sitting here analyzing a show where money is just numbers and doesn't matter trying to actually figure out if this was a good business deal or not. That's not the point.
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12:38p, 3/27/23
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Great first episode, I just love being back with the Roys.

Kendall/Shiv/Roman vs Logan, it just doesn't get old to me. Bringing back the Pierce storyline makes total sense to me. It's Logan's white whale, and his kids know it, he wants it, they just want it out of spite...what could possibly go wrong? This is all contingent upon the structure of the GOJO deal, there's going to be a problem there, for sure.

The part where Kendall is laying out the role of each kid is just so tone deaf and perfect for him. Roman is simultaneously the only one with the right idea of doing something on their own, but also the easiest one to roll over because he doesn't want to do anything by himself, even if it's the right call. There's so much co-dependency amongst the kids.

Logan is rattled, the scene where he's demanding to be roasted is indicative that he misses his kids. Regardless of anything he can count on them for comedy, being separated from them is bothering him, even if he'd never admit it.

Anytime Connor's presidential run comes up I'm already smiling, it's nothing but comedy gold to me. The entire conversation with Willow about keeping it going at 1% to the tune of $100MM or having a wedding on a yacht in front of the Statue of Liberty with bum fights to generate PR is one of the best things ever said on this show.

Tom & Greg, outstanding. Tom telling Greg "you have to tell him" and then it happening had me rolling. Tom & Greg always deliver. Greg's date getting thrown out for asking for a selfie with Logan, so good. I really don't know how those two keep it together when they're filming.
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Well no **** lol, but that's the only way they were going to beat him. He was never gonig to let them walk away with that company he wanted.

You guys are sitting here analyzing a show where money is just numbers and doesn't matter trying to actually figure out if this was a good business deal or not. That's not the point.


Logan is supposed to be a savvy businessman.

The whole episode made it clear that both he and the kids threw out sense or logic and were making things personal.

If "making the right decision" was solely based on beating Logan, then sure, it was the right decision. But I don't think Logan's game was over paying for crappy companies prior to his existential crisis.
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In reply to MBAR • 12:59p, 3/27/23
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Tom is still a buffoon. And was more worried about Shiv thinking he was banging Naomi than he was about tipping her off to the deal.
Tom 100% intentionally tipped her off. Tom is anything but an idiot.
That is up for debate. I think that's the big question for this season. In my mind, Tom's interaction with Greg is port hole into who Tom really is. Is he a buffoon who has just enough social awareness to play nice in public, or is his biggest joy in life screwing with Greg? Are they equals?
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In reply to MBAR • 1:59p, 3/27/23
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Well no **** lol, but that's the only way they were going to beat him. He was never gonig to let them walk away with that company he wanted.

You guys are sitting here analyzing a show where money is just numbers and doesn't matter trying to actually figure out if this was a good business deal or not. That's not the point.
Logan wasn't going to spend 2.5 billion more than what he valued the company at.
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Well no **** lol, but that's the only way they were going to beat him. He was never gonig to let them walk away with that company he wanted.

You guys are sitting here analyzing a show where money is just numbers and doesn't matter trying to actually figure out if this was a good business deal or not. That's not the point.


Logan is supposed to be a savvy businessman.

The whole episode made it clear that both he and the kids threw out sense or logic and were making things personal.

If "making the right decision" was solely based on beating Logan, then sure, it was the right decision. But I don't think Logan's game was over paying for crappy companies prior to his existential crisis.
Oh, you have a way different view of Logan than I do.

Logan throws out logic and makes bad business deals throughout the entire show. I think at one time he was a savy businessman, but for the duration of this show he's made bad decision after bad decision. They're almost always influenced by his emotions and not what is wise.

For instance, season 2, he has a deal to buy Pierce - the same ****ing company - done for 25 billion. What does it in? The fact that he doesn't like being told what to do. We see the same when he's dealing with presidents, with people in his own company, with his children, over and over and over again.

All Logan cares about is "winning". That's it. Thats always been the case for every season of this show.
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In reply to MBAR • 8:32p, 3/27/23
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Tom is still a buffoon. And was more worried about Shiv thinking he was banging Naomi than he was about tipping her off to the deal.
Tom 100% intentionally tipped her off. Tom is anything but an idiot.


I agree. My rabbit hole is he does this on purpose knowing how bad the 3 stooges want to get back at their dad and knowing he's heading for divorce. I'm sure he has a pre-nup but he get's something outta her sinking her whole waystar money into a dying company. Or whatever happens in the divorce prevents them from closing and Nam has to crawl back to Logan.
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Caught up on the premiere and so glad this show is back.

The scene between the kids and Logan trying to outbid each other was intense and great.

Tom and Greg together are always the best.

I have not seen any previews from this season because I don't what to know what happens in future scenes. It's going to be a great season and I'm all in for it.
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Karl and Frank trying to "do jokes" was amazing. Just the ultimate personality-less yes men.

Also, did we know much about Greg's dad before this? Logan's comment seemed to make Greg wince a little bit, but now I can't remember if we had any info on him before.
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This actually makes me feel better?
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At the end of the episode I was a little disappointed that Logan didn't flip over from the news to his CCTV recordings from the party.
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Logan Roy is a Spice Girls fan.

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At the end of the episode I was a little disappointed that Logan didn't flip over from the news to his CCTV recordings from the party.


I thought he was going to do that.
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I'm convinced Nicholas Braun and Kieran Culkin are literally just their characters in real life, minus the millions of dollars.
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I'm convinced Nicholas Braun and Kieran Culkin are literally just their characters in real life, minus the millions of dollars.


B. Billions.

Like 1000 million.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 11:48p, 3/29/23
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Is there anything more pathetic than Connor trying to cling to his 1% and spending ridiculous amounts of money...


Yes. That he proposed to an escort and wants to use their wedding as news fodder...at the statue of liberty with a band. Lol!
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Prosperdick said:
Is there anything more pathetic than Connor trying to cling to his 1% and spending ridiculous amounts of money...


Yes. That he proposed to an escort and wants to use their wedding as news fodder...at the statue of liberty with a band. Lol!
Good point! Also, don't forget bum fights. Never forget bum fights.
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Prosperdick said:
Is there anything more pathetic than Connor trying to cling to his 1% and spending ridiculous amounts of money...


Yes. That he proposed to an escort and wants to use their wedding as news fodder...at the statue of liberty with a band. Lol!


And that escort is the most moral and level headed character on the show!
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Prosperdick said:
Is there anything more pathetic than Connor trying to cling to his 1% and spending ridiculous amounts of money...


Yes. That he proposed to an escort and wants to use their wedding as news fodder...at the statue of liberty with a band. Lol!
a playwright escort!
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Stakhanovite. Learned a new word with tonight's episode that I'll be putting into use.
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Un-TV arms. ****ing hell I love Greg.
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