Pending indictment against Trump in Georgia

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I also wonder which of the "false statements" Trump and his attorneys have been indicted for are now the shared view of the Georgia State Board of Elections.

Or will Fani just indict the Georgia State Board of Elections members as co-conspirators?
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Wow.
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Maybe... just maybe they won't be able to cheat this time.

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nortex97 said:



Wow.
We keep seeing things like this but told the election was fair. Nothing will come of it and Republicans aren't fighting hard enough.
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Georgia Court of Appeals has accepted the Trump defendants' request for an interlocutory appeal on McAfee's failure to remove Fani Willis from this case. Just reported on FNC.
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LOLOL.

T minus 10 seconds until screeches of racism are heard on social media.
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aggiehawg said:

Georgia Court of Appeals has accepted the Trump defendants' request for an interlocutory appeal on McAfee's failure to remove Fani Willis from this case. Just reported on FNC.
Can pretrial motions continue while waiting for this to be resolved?
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SwigAg11 said:

aggiehawg said:

Georgia Court of Appeals has accepted the Trump defendants' request for an interlocutory appeal on McAfee's failure to remove Fani Willis from this case. Just reported on FNC.
Can pretrial motions continue while waiting for this to be resolved?


Yes, but…
There's nothing significant pending that would weigh in the prosecution's favor. In fact, the most significant action that was revived by the appeals court is a pretty persuasive argument that the Georgia State Board of Elections, according to Georgia law, is the only entity empowered to prosecute the type of case that Fani filed, AND that even if it did conclude a criminal investigation was needed, it would refer directly to the state attorney general.

Bottom line is this case that just five months ago was barreling toward a late-September/early October trial date is now on life support.

The Lawfare experts in Biden's White House must be furious that they sent their best man down there to write an indictment and pick a grand jury in a county that would absolutely convict Trump and DEI Queen Fani Willis still ****ed it up for them.
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That's a pretty big deal, and bad for Fani.

If she had any sense, she would ever accused herself abd let some other rad lib pursue the case

Pride comes before the fall

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Im Gipper said:

That's a pretty big deal, and bad for Fani.

If she had any sense, she would ever accused herself abd let some other rad lib pursue the case

Pride comes before the fall


The order.

Fani has ignored the state Senate committee investigating her. She has ignored and failed to respond to one or more requests for open records. And the appeals court will hear this now.

She's on very thin ice.

And the GA State Board of Elections have serious issues with the certifications of the 2020 election results well beyond the margin of victory. Which would validate Trump's original concerns. Her case is in shambles.
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Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp signed a bill into law on Tuesday, establishing rules and processes regarding voter registration and how elections are conducted.

Kemp signed Senate Bill 189 (SB 189) into law on Tuesday, Kemp's press secretary Garrison Douglas confirmed to USA Today.
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Under SB 189, a process would be created to help each county remove certain voters from its voter registration database.

The law also establishes new rules regarding how homeless people can register to vote, explaining that homeless people without a permanent address must use the "registrar's office" in their county as their mailing address for "election purposes."
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Voters would also be allowed to be removed from voter registration lists up to 45 days before an election, under SB 189.

The bill also makes it easier for third-party candidates to get onto the ballot, stating that "any political party or political body" on the ballot in 20 states is allowed to be on Georgia's election ballot, according to CNN.

In response to Kemp signing the bill into law, the Georgia Senate Democrats issued a statement criticizing Kemp for not vetoing the bill, which, in their eyes, would "allow conspiracy theorists" to turn future elections into chaos.

"Gov. Kemp's refusal to veto SB 189, which will allow conspiracy theorists to turn our elections into utter chaos, says it all about the Republican Party in 2024," the Georgia Senate Democrats wrote. "They only work to please their leader, Donald Trump."
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Georgia has always been a corrupt state.
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180-days until the election and this case gets pushed.

What's left?
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aggiehawg said:

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Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp signed a bill into law on Tuesday, establishing rules and processes regarding voter registration and how elections are conducted.

Kemp signed Senate Bill 189 (SB 189) into law on Tuesday, Kemp's press secretary Garrison Douglas confirmed to USA Today.
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Under SB 189, a process would be created to help each county remove certain voters from its voter registration database.

The law also establishes new rules regarding how homeless people can register to vote, explaining that homeless people without a permanent address must use the "registrar's office" in their county as their mailing address for "election purposes."
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Voters would also be allowed to be removed from voter registration lists up to 45 days before an election, under SB 189.

The bill also makes it easier for third-party candidates to get onto the ballot, stating that "any political party or political body" on the ballot in 20 states is allowed to be on Georgia's election ballot, according to CNN.

In response to Kemp signing the bill into law, the Georgia Senate Democrats issued a statement criticizing Kemp for not vetoing the bill, which, in their eyes, would "allow conspiracy theorists" to turn future elections into chaos.

"Gov. Kemp's refusal to veto SB 189, which will allow conspiracy theorists to turn our elections into utter chaos, says it all about the Republican Party in 2024," the Georgia Senate Democrats wrote. "They only work to please their leader, Donald Trump."
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Sounds like the exact opposite, actually. "Doublespeak."
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PA24 said:

Georgia has always been a corrupt state.
Fulton County certainly is corrupt. But now Sec of State Raffensperger and his chief cohort, Gabe Sterling have been exposed by the GA State Board of Elections who want the AG's office to investigate and oversee his office's further investigation. So he can't bury it without the state AG also being implicated.
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I wonder how much Gabe and Brad got paid to quash election interference?
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Yeah, they are getting pretty desperately angry when the retort is 'Muh, Governor Kemp is just helping Trump!'
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jt2hunt said:

I wonder how much Gabe and Brad got paid to quash election interference?
We likely will never know without a middleman who becomes a whistleblower in exchange for immunity. But that would require both the AG's office and GBI doing their jobs. They haven't thus far.
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aggiehawg said:

PA24 said:

Georgia has always been a corrupt state.
Fulton County certainly is corrupt. But now Sec of State Raffensperger and his chief cohort, Gabe Sterling have been exposed by the GA State Board of Elections who want the AG's office to investigate and oversee his office's further investigation. So he can't bury it without the state AG also being implicated.
Is that the county Boss Hogg was from?
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Oh, and it's "news" to Fulton County that they are missing over 300,000 ballot images from Election Day.
What caused that? Adjudicating? Scanning the same ballots multiple times? Both?
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Most fair and secure election in history!
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The new legislation, House Bill 974, House Bill 1207, and Senate Bill 189, aims to enhance ballot security, voter eligibility verification, and auditing protocols in the battleground state.
House Bill 974, amends election procedures in Georgia primarily concerning the security and auditing of ballots. Here are the key provisions of the bill:

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  • Ballot Security: It mandates that ballots used in optical scan voting systems and ballot marking devices be printed on paper with a visible watermark security feature. This watermark must identify the paper as an official Georgia ballot, ensuring the authenticity while maintaining voter anonymity.
  • Scanning and Posting of Ballots: The bill requires that all absentee ballots be scanned to create a digital image with a resolution of at least 600 dots per inch. These scanned images are to be maintained in a statewide system, which the Secretary of State is tasked to establish and manage.
  • Risk-Limiting Audits: It expands the types of contests subject to risk-limiting audits, which use statistical methods to ensure the accuracy of election outcomes. The law defines the parameters for these audits, including the maximum statistical probability that an incorrect outcome could go undetected.
  • Pilot Program for Auditing Using Optical Character Recognition: A pilot program is to be created to audit paper ballots using optical character recognition technology. This audit will focus on verifying the human-readable text on ballots, excluding any machine-readable codes like QR codes.
  • Public Transparency: The bill also includes provisions to enhance transparency, requiring that audit processes be conducted in public view and that details of the audits be made available to the public promptly.
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    House Bill 1207 introduces several changes to election procedures and integrity. Here's a summary of the key provisions:

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  • U.S. Citizenship Requirement: The bill stipulates that anyone employed or retained by a county election superintendent to perform election-related duties must be a U.S. citizen.
  • Reopening Candidate Qualifying: If no candidates qualify during the initial period for nonpartisan or partisan elections, the qualifying period will be reopened to allow more candidates to register.
  • Ballot Proofing and Accuracy: It introduces requirements for ballot proofing to ensure the accuracy of ballots. Candidates or their agents will be able to review and verify the draft versions of the ballots before they are finalized.
  • Poll Watchers' Access and Regulations: The bill defines and regulates the roles and behaviors of poll watchers, ensuring they have access to observe the election process without interfering.
  • Protections Against Election Interference: The bill sets out specific criminal offenses related to election interference, such as preventing officials from performing their duties or tampering with voting equipment, with severe penalties for violations.
  • Adjustments to Voting Equipment: Provisions are made for the number of voting booths or systems based on expected turnout and other factors, ensuring adequate equipment is available for elections.
  • Overall Integrity and Conduct of Elections: Several other adjustments and clarifications aim to improve the integrity and conduct of the electoral process, including handling of optical scanning voting systems and provisions against election-related violence.
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    Senate Bill 189 primarily focuses on amending election and voting procedures. Key provisions include:
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  • Removal of the Secretary of State from the State Election Board: The Secretary of State will become a non-voting ex officio member of the board.
  • Conflict of Interest Rules: The bill introduces stricter conflict of interest rules for state and local election officers, especially regarding any business dealings with companies that provide voting equipment or services related to ballot tabulation.
  • Ballot Access: It includes provisions to facilitate ballot access for certain political parties or political bodies, particularly in nominating presidential electors.
  • Residency and Voter Challenges: The bill revises rules concerning residency determination for voting purposes and the procedures for challenging a voter's eligibility.
  • Tabulation of Ballots: It mandates that physical paper ballots, rather than any electronic or machine-generated codes, be used for vote tabulation and recounts. It also allows certain smaller elections to use manually marked paper ballots.
  • Absentee Ballots: The bill specifies procedures for handling and tabulating absentee ballots, including earlier processing times and enhanced security measures.
  • High-Resolution Ballot Scans: A pilot program will be established to audit paper ballots using optical character recognition technology, ensuring audits are based on the human-readable parts of the ballot rather than any machine-readable codes.
  • Election Date Adjustments: Adjustments are made to the timing of certain special elections, ensuring they do not coincide with statewide primaries or general elections unless completely separated in their conduct.
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    Legal challenges from Dems incoming in 3,2,1.

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    I'm confused about the part where the Fulton County spokesperson(s) states they have 529,000(?) ballots for the recount vs the 380,000 missing images. Then at the end the woman (I assume from Fulton County) states this is the first she's heard this allegation and where did it come from?

    Does this mean there were 909k votes cast on election day, but for the recount they only had 529k?
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    PA24 said:

    aggiehawg said:

    PA24 said:

    Georgia has always been a corrupt state.
    Fulton County certainly is corrupt. But now Sec of State Raffensperger and his chief cohort, Gabe Sterling have been exposed by the GA State Board of Elections who want the AG's office to investigate and oversee his office's further investigation. So he can't bury it without the state AG also being implicated.
    Is that the county Boss Hogg was from?
    Was the show called "The Dukes of Fulton"?

    Didn't think so.
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    agracer said:

    I'm confused about the part where the Fulton County spokesperson(s) states they have 529,000(?) ballots for the recount vs the 380,000 missing images. Then at the end the woman (I assume from Fulton County) states this is the first she's heard this allegation and where did it come from?

    Does this mean there were 909k votes cast on election day, but for the recount they only had 529k?
    It is confusing and TBH even I have lost track of the various numbers being referenced among the myriad of claims from various organizations and investigators. But most of those claims are from Fulton County.
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    Jim Crow on steroids.

    I hope they're not planning on having a Major League Baseball All-Star Game there any time soon.
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    I'm confused about the part where the Fulton County spokesperson(s) states they have 529,000(?) ballots for the recount vs the 380,000 missing images. Then at the end the woman (I assume from Fulton County) states this is the first she's heard this allegation and where did it come from?

    Does this mean there were 909k votes cast on election day, but for the recount they only had 529k?
    I believe the number is 524,659 cast, but they can't find 17,000, but no worries -- they were there when they did the first recount, which was really just a retabulation of what the machines said and not an actual rescanning of every ballot.

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    According to Fulton's initial results, Trump received 137,240 votes out of 524,659, while Biden received 381,144. Following a recount requested by Trump's lawyers, the final results led to the former president gaining seven additional votes and Biden losing 932.

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    The complaint also says that the county is missing more than 17,000 ballot images that were requested for inspection from the 2020 election.

    The state Legislature passed a law requiring ballot images to be kept as public record after the 2020 election and state officials said that not having all of the ballot images from that year doesn't mean that the votes weren't correctly tabulated.
    Did we mention Biden won the state by 11,799 votes?
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    Feckless cowards.

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    Can the AG only act with their blessing?
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    Funky Winkerbean said:

    Can the AG only act with their blessing?
    Sure he can. He can open any investigation he wants.
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    aggiehawg said:

    Funky Winkerbean said:

    Can the AG only act with their blessing?
    Sure he can. He can open any investigation he wants.
    So this provides his cover for him not to act?
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    Funky Winkerbean said:

    aggiehawg said:

    Funky Winkerbean said:

    Can the AG only act with their blessing?
    Sure he can. He can open any investigation he wants.
    So this provides his cover for him not to act?
    I guess so. He probably didn't want to take on Raffensperger. Never realized Raffensperger was that powerful.
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    Apologize for the length of this post in advance but there is a lot to unpack here. The reliance of SOS Raffensperger on the public not understanding the terminology and functioning of Dominion's voting system is telling to me. The old if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS comes to mind.

    We go back to the hearing before the Board of Elections several days ago. Counsel for SOS.
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    General Counsel for the Secretary of State, Charlene McGowan, began the presentation of the investigation with a statement:

    "So you will hear a great deal during this presentation about documents such as ballot images, batches loaded reports, and tabulator tapes. And all of those documentation [sic], they're all very important. And we expect that the counties will keep those, maintain those, and make sure that they are complete. But it's important to know that they play no role in the actual tabulation of the results in an election. Again, those results are determined by the paper ballots, which we have for 2020.

    "The conclusion of this investigation…is that Fulton County used improper procedures during the recount of the Presidential contest of 2020. The investigation also shows that there are some duplicative ballot images in the ballot images that Fulton County provided. And this suggests that some ballots may have been scanned more than once. But what cannot be decided conclusively, or confirmed conclusively, is whether or not those duplicative ballot images were included in the count."
    What? Why can't you make that determination? Is some of the data missing? Or has been altered in some way?

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    In the very same statement, McGowan states that ballot images, batches loaded reports, and tabulator tapes "play no role in the actual tabulation of results" and then completely contradicts herself in the next breath by stating "what cannot be decided conclusively, or confirmed conclusively, is whether or not those duplicative ballot images were included in the count."

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    McGowan goes on to state that there was "contemporaneous documentation of what happened back in 2020." This is a reference to Carter Jones Report, an "independent monitor" that was appointed by the SEB for the 2020 election. In June 2021, the AP published an article titled Observer: Georgia county's elections messy, not fraudulent. In the article, the AP quotes Carter Jones as stating:
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    "It's not what it looks like during the election. It's what happens after the election and what it looks like at the end. Fulton was able to make their numbers zero out [emphasis added] and there was nothing that should challenge the certification of this election.
    "They got it over the goal line. They made their numbers add up. Yes, the vehicle was held together by duct tape and chewing gum, but it got over the goal line."

    Guess some of that duct tape and chewing gum fell off at some point?

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    The AP wrote:
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    "Jones said the election operations were characterized by systemic poor management and there were also chain of custody problems and ballot bags that often weren't sealed. While he realizes many of those problems contribute to some people's doubts about the security of the election, he said the fact that he was there and "neurotically took notes" during the many hours he spent observing should provide some comfort."

    Guess what? I don't feel any comfort at all in that. Nor should anyone else.
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    Jones also claimed that Fulton County's problems were "becoming serious" and that "they've got butterfingers."

    Fast-forward more than three years and countless hours investigating the results by citizen-led groups and we arrive at the Secretary of State's General Counsel telling the SEB that it "cannot be decided conclusively, or confirmed conclusively…whether or not those duplicative ballot images were included in the count."
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    But they have the paper ballots, thanks to a litigation hold.

    That litigation hold stems from a case to examine those ballots that has been waiting for an assignment to be heard in Georgia for 508 days since the Supreme Court's decision.
    Simply incredible! Such arrogance and hubris! And it freakin' worked! Raffy got off scot free with no further action.

    One final note, if all of those reports on ballot images, tabulator tapes etc. are not used in the counting and as corroboration of the count, what are they used for?

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