Pending indictment against Trump in Georgia

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Foreverconservative said:

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Cross is in a very difficult position between an OOC client who is also her boss. Fani is quite simply out of control.

Was probably Fani's idea for Cross to go after Bradley that way. But who knows?
That's bizarre stategy because that opened up two things, questions about privilege which are numerous and caused a week delay allowing this geo fencing expert to complete his work before the in camera stuff is even looked at. And in the hearing about the in camera stuff, they just went all in telling a sitting judge what he's allowed to see, in an in camera session that is designed specifically to allow him to see evidence outside the presence of opposing counsel. I mean the audacity of the stance they took in their arguments against the in camera viewing was insane. They just guaranteed that McAfee will take a look and now with this geo fencing data in play McAfee knows they lied to the court n the stand repeatedly. There's no coming back from that.
Fani is reacting emotionally, solely. She has little to no self control.
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aggiehawg said:


Fani is reacting emotionally, solely. She has little to no self control.
Fani's "How dare you question my authority" attitude is the pinnacle of hubristic behavior

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
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Assuming the cell data is accurate and the person presenting it isn't a complete flake, I would think the defense is really going to crumble this week. Given that assumption, would the judge disqualify Wade alone, or both Willis and Wade? Is this the type of lying under oath that gets referred to the GA Bar for disqualification? The Turley article hints at that. How could a judge save face by letting such take place in his court, especially when the matter is of such high visibility and interest?
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Kool said:

Hawg (or other):
Assuming the cell data is accurate and the person presenting it isn't a complete flake, I would think the defense is really going to crumble this week. Given that assumption, would the judge disqualify Wade alone, or both Willis and Wade? Is this the type of lying under oath that gets referred to the GA Bar for disqualification? The Turley article hints at that. How could a judge save face by letting such take place in his court, especially when the matter is of such high visibility and interest?
First, when you say "defense" that is actually the Trump sides. They would more properly be termed the movants since they filed a motion for disqualification, making Wade and Willis the respondent to that motion. Just wanted to clear that up because it gets confusing procedurally with this mini trial within the case.

So Wade and Willis will fight tooth and nail to discredit the witness and dispute his expertise BUT IMO they can't just rest on that basis, they'll need an alternative "expert" to rebut methodology, etc. leading to alternative conclusions.

This entire mess is giving McAfee a massive headache right now. He likely knows he needs to regain control of his courtoom but when nearly everyday another chaos bomb goess off, his options become more limited as he can't just ignore everything at this point. What lawyers call a "bad fact situation."

I don't know how directly involved Wade was with the special grand jury that was convened in this matter. If he was the one in front of that special grand jury a lot, then simply disqualifying him and leaving Fani and the rest of the case in place will be more difficult. If he wasn't that involved, maybe disqualifying him and him alone would be more palatable to the judge. (Not the public but to the judge.)

By most rights, McAfee should toss both and have another assigned prosecution team from a large contiguous county (for the resources to review and perhaps try such an unwieldy case) and allow them a fresh look.

This isn't the first time Fani has been recused, either voluntarily or otherwise. IIRC, this would the third such case wherein she was booted.
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Thanks. Your correction of my misuse of the term "defense" in this case really got a laugh out of me.
I listened to a lot of Willis and Wade's testimony as I was stuck in traffic then on my way to the airport. The evasiveness of their answers, alternating with aggressiveness on the part of Willis, obviously shifted my subconscious thinking of this circus. I stand corrected, no further questions.
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aggiehawg said:

Cross is in a very difficult position between an OOC client who is also her boss. Fani is quite simply out of control.

Was probably Fani's idea for Cross to go after Bradley that way. But who knows?


Agree I bet Cross and everyone else in that office can't stand Fani.
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Nathan Wade "made the decisions to hire or fire" employees in Fulton County District Attorney's Office following Fulton County prosecutor Fani Willis' election victory in November 2020, multiple sources familiar with the Wade and Willis relationship exclusively told Breitbart News.

The revelation of Wade's previously unreported position as the former personnel decision-maker for the District Attorney's Office raises ethical and conflict of interest concerns. It also raises questions about whether Wade and Willis have been forthright about the timeline of their affair.

"Wade is a prosecutor on the Trump case and he selected the office employees," a source told Breitbart News.
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Wade led a transition team of ten to twelve people who interviewed and evaluated current employees to remain in Willis' newly won office just weeks after she won the election in November, said the sources, who wished to remain anonymous for fear of retribution due to their direct knowledge of the environment inside the District Attorney's Office, which they characterized as "corrupt."

Wade, a second source told Breitbart News, was in charge of determining who of the 250 office employees would remain with Willis. Sources described one-on-one interviews behind closed doors with Willis and Wade, who was "too invested to be just a friend" of Willis to hold such a powerful position.
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"Willis said everyone in the office was essentially all terminated, and that essentially we had to reapply for our jobs and must submit an application and schedule a time to appear for an interview," a source said. "We had to reapply and came back in so they could interview everyone from lawyers to paralegals to assistants to investigators."

"And in that room, in my interview, there were a lot of people other than Fani Willis. And that was her transition team. I definitely know that Nathan Wade was in that room because he was taking the lead role," the source stated. "And I was a little confused because I had never seen him before."
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"I had about maybe ten people in the interview," another source described the reinterview process with Wade. "Nathan definitely was up moving around and taking charge in the room. Wade hired the entire office of 250 employees," the person said. "I was just telling him my employment background, and they just sit there and looked at me and they said well, 'you'll get an email on our decision.' And that's what Wade said. And he looked at Willis. They looked at each other. And there was just something so weird going on."

The sources did not initially know who Wade was during the transition process, but they told Breitbart News they questioned why Willis would outsource the transition process to unknown actors. "Why was he a part of the hiring process and making the decisions as to who gets hired and fired when he wasn't even an employee or authorized to be in the room," a source questioned.
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After the reinterview process, Wade and Willis "started eliminating anybody that was too close and in control" of the office operations, the second source said. Willis, sources asserted, violated the Friends and Family Policy by "hiring friends and family" and hiding it from the county with fungible state and county dollars.

"All the people that worked on her campaign became the inner circle," one source familiar with the inner workings of the office said.
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Knew Wade was on her transition team and doling out contracts to his law partners from the moment she took office but ha no idea he was so involved with staffing decisions for her entire office!
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Trump's counsel's response to the states objection tp cell phone data from AT&T


https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24440637/trump-reply-re-cell-records.pdf
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From Trumps counsel in response to states objection to the CSLI evidence.

"Yet it is highly significant that the State's response did not even attempt to challenge the CSLI evidence regarding September 11-12, 2021 or November 29-30, 2021."
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So after reading about the cell phone records referencing Wade's East Cobb residence, I go to the Cobb County Board of Tax Assessors website to see where he lives.

Get this - his residence is on... HONEYPOT WAY! You can't make this up!
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I'm Gipper
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Im Gipper said:



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Im Gipper said:




After 7 other tweets, he ends with this:



So…all rumors and no actual facts. At least they did some investigating…even if they did bury it at the end.
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TravelAg2004 said:

Im Gipper said:




After 7 other tweets, he ends with this:



So…all rumors and no actual facts. At least they did some investigating…even if they did bury it at the end.
Oh, Fani, Fani, Fani! Stop digging!
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Define slew. That's the total they sent to each other when they was sparkin'.

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I wonder if Fani and her pops are kin to Jussie....
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aggiehawg said:

TravelAg2004 said:

Im Gipper said:




After 7 other tweets, he ends with this:



So…all rumors and no actual facts. At least they did some investigating…even if they did bury it at the end.
Oh, Fani, Fani, Fani! Stop digging!
Oh no give her two shovels this sh** is just getting good.
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They have roots.
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After wasting 80 minutes of his day in camera to explain to Terrence Bradley what "privilege" means in a legal context, his testimony will resume Tuesday with him actually answering questions.

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A judge has determined that Nathan Wade's former law partner and divorce lawyer must tell the court what he knows about the special prosecutor's relationship with District Attorney Fani Willis a decision that could produce more bombshell testimony as defense attorneys seek to disqualify the DA from prosecuting the Fulton County election interference case.

Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee's chambers notified attorneys in the case by email late Monday that certain communications Terrence Bradley had with Wade are not protected by attorney-client privilege, according to numerous people who read the email. Bradley could be compelled to testify as soon as Tuesday afternoon. McAfee's decision followed a closed-door meeting between the judge and Bradley on Monday that lasted nearly an hour and 20 minutes.

Biden's handlers must be pissed. They sent Jeff DeSantis -- their top smear merchant -- to Atlanta to write the case for her. He handpicked as liberal of a grand jury as he could. When Hunter Biden's plea deal went awry he burned the midnight oil to get the indictment out in the same news cycle.

All Fani had to do was not give a $1 million deal to her Boo and it'd be a six-week trial for Trump and a likely conviction by a highly partisan jury.

Or at least not lie about it when she was caught and gracefully step aside.

And she couldn't even do that without making a complete mockery of the judicial system..

https://www.ajc.com/politics/judge-wades-law-partner-must-testify-about-relationship-with-willis/FQLTCWX75JBG7AX3O4GVWEMFHE/
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I know there is no honor amongst thieves but after the way Bradley was bushwhacked by Cross, I would be ready to burn it to the ground. Completely honest and transparent answers, no more legal mumbo jumbo.

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Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee's chambers notified attorneys in the case by email late Monday that certain communications Terrence Bradley had with Wade are not protected by attorney-client privilege, according to numerous people who read the email. Bradley could be compelled to testify as soon as Tuesday afternoon. McAfee's decision followed a closed-door meeting between the judge and Bradley on Monday that lasted nearly an hour and 20 minutes.
Just a smile.
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So counselors, if your state's attorneys what is your approach on questioning Bradley, from here??!
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JFABNRGR said:

So counselors, if your state's attorneys what is your approach on questioning Bradley, from here??!
I am not sure how McAfee will conduct this hearing today. He will reopen the evidentiary portion to make a record. But how extensive a record remains to be seen. He likely will have restrictions of the scope of questioning he'll allow. He might also impose time limits, although with the sheer number of defense attorneys that could be problematical.

I do think the alleged sexual assault by Bradley will be off limits for Cross to ask him more about that however. I will say that a judge taking nearly an hour and half out of his day to examine a sole witness, ex parte is very unusual. Either Bradley was trying to crawfish and evade or McAfee did a deep dive and Bradley spilled his guts about everything he knew.

But to this judge, regaining control of his courtroom is of utmost importance. No more chaos bombs. That's why I believe he will limit this hearing considerably.
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I could not find the cell evidence discussion at least as I recalled it.

Do you think Merchent & crew will be allowed to ask Bradley about cell data?
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JFABNRGR said:

I could not find the cell evidence discussion at least as I recalled it.

Do you think Merchent & crew will be allowed to ask Bradley about cell data?
Doubtful. Bradley would not have that expertise. Cell data is not relevant with him as the witness.

But you raise another question, will McAfee make a ruling today on whether the cell data expert will be allowed to testify, either today or on Friday before closing statements?
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JFABNRGR said:

I could not find the cell evidence discussion at least as I recalled it.

Do you think Merchent & crew will be allowed to ask Bradley about cell data?


Bradley would not have knowledge about their cell phone data so no. Not a chance.

The judge said he will address the cell phone data Friday during arguments/summations.

Currently unclear what role exactly, if anything, the cell data will play.
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JFABNRGR said:

So counselors, if your state's attorneys what is your approach on questioning Bradley, from here??!


Depends entirely on what he's going to testify about.

It could be a nothing burger. It might be he's testifying about gossiping to prevent sanctions against the defense team.

Or that he actually did see Wade/Willis out and about together and acting flirty or whatever.

Or something in between. Like clarifying his suggestive but ambiguous "looks good" text.

I'm not sure the State has much to gain from asking much about (1) and (2). They could maybe advantageously question him some about the limits of his knowledge as to (3).

I would guess the state will mostly be making legal arguments over the extent of his testimony. (Hearsay, etc. issues.)

We just don't know what he has to say.
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My mistake I confused Bradley with Wade and I think it was a personal phone and not provided by their partnership.

As for the cell expert I believe he is testifying as a summary witness and not an expert witness. That said, I am not sure as to why, can yall provide any input on why defense would go that route?
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JFABNRGR said:

My mistake I confused Bradley with Wade and I think it was a personal phone and not provided by their partnership.

As for the cell expert I believe he is testifying as a summary witness and not an expert witness. That said, I am not sure as to why, can yall provide any input on why defense would go that route?


Yes, they've already said they're not bringing the guy in as an expert so those talking about who has "expertise" isn't really the point.

Not bringing the guy in as an expert witness will limit the usefulness and value of the data but might help them avoid a bunch of detailed cross examination from the state about what the data really means. They're bringing it as much, I suspect, to make Wade and Willis sound like liars rather as to prove something on its own.

Wade and Willis can certainly testify about where they were on a particular day or what they were talking about, etc. The State has already said they have calendars, etc. showing the Willis wasn't where the defense says the cell data says she was.
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TXAggie2011 said:

JFABNRGR said:

My mistake I confused Bradley with Wade and I think it was a personal phone and not provided by their partnership.

As for the cell expert I believe he is testifying as a summary witness and not an expert witness. That said, I am not sure as to why, can yall provide any input on why defense would go that route?


Yes, they've already said they're not bringing the guy in as an expert so those talking about who has "expertise" isn't really the point.

Not bringing the guy in as an expert witness will limit the usefulness and value of the data but might help them avoid a bunch of detailed cross examination from the state about what the data really means. They're bringing it as much, I suspect, to make Wade and Willis sound like liars rather as to prove something on its own.

Wade and Willis can certainly testify about where they were on a particular day or what they were talking about, etc. The State has already said they have calendars, etc. showing the Willis wasn't where the defense says the cell data says she was.
Oh...well, if they have calendars they can fill out, that definitely beats physical data. Phone must have gone for a walk that day.
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Wade and Willis can certainly testify about where they were on a particular day or what they were talking about, etc. The State has already said they have calendars, etc. showing the Willis wasn't where the defense says the cell data says she was.
Except those calendar dates did not match the dates in question.
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They're down to "don't believe your lyin' eyes."
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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

They're down to "don't believe your lyin' eyes."
 
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