Pending indictment against Trump in Georgia

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Cheesebro is pleading to the charge of "Conspiracy to File False Electoral Documents"

Pretty similar deal to Powell. 5 years probation, $5K fine, 100 hours community service, apology letter, testify against co-defendants.
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11:39a, 10/20/23
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Flippity floppity. Admitted to felony conspiracy with donald.
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In reply to Correction • 11:49a, 10/20/23
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Pretty similar deal to Powell. 5 years probation, $5K fine, 100 hours community service, apology letter, testify against co-defendants.
Not a fine. Restitution. Different.
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11:53a, 10/20/23
Kenneth Chesebro, a Donald Trump-aligned attorney who helped craft the 2020 fake elector plot, is pleading guilty in the Georgia election subversion case.

The plea deal is another major victory for Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who charged Trump and 18 others in the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Thursday, former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell also pleaded guilty. …

A source familiar with the discussions said the likelihood of Chesebro taking a deal increased after his co-defendant Sidney Powell made a surprise turn and pleaded guilty herself on Thursday, leaving Chesebro as the sole defendant whose trial was scheduled to begin Friday.

An attorney who worked to undermine the results of the 2020 election, Chesebro helped develop the Trump's campaign's plot to put forward unauthorized slates of GOP electors in Georgia and six other states. (In previous court filings, Chesebro's lawyers have denied that he devised the plan.)

Not really a surprise. Powell's plea deal required her to testify against all of her co-defendants in Fani Willis' RICO indictment, and she left Chesebro twisting in the wind yesterday. Powell got off *very* easy, which suggests that her testimony is going to be very valuable for Willis. And if Chesebro was allowed to cop a plea today, then he's clearly not the target Willis had in mind with the plea deal for Powell. Ed]

I remember when Trumpers told us there were no crimes committed
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12:03p, 10/20/23
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Chesebro filed a bunch (aggressive) motions to have the case dismissed as well as tried to exclude numerous pieces of evidence. They all got denied over the past couple of weeks.

Sounds like they only thought they had defenses of law, and not reliable defenses as to the facts. Now that the judge has disposed of the questions of law, they're pleading out before the questions of fact go to the jury.

(Same for Powell, who either filed the same or joined Cheseboro's motions.)
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12:18p, 10/20/23
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Scott Hall
Sidney Powell
Kenneth Chesebro
MIsty Hampton
Cathy Latham
David Shafer
Shawn Still
Harrison Floyd
Steven Lee
Robert Cheely
Trevian Kutti
Mike Roman
Ray Smith
Jeffey Clark
Jenna Ellis
Mark Meadows
John Eastman
Rudy

THE ORANGE ONE
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 1:27p, 10/20/23
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Do you think they would offer Trump a plea deal in exchange for him dropping out of the race?

Win win for both sides
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In reply to DenverAg91 • 1:29p, 10/20/23
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Do you think they would offer Trump a plea deal in exchange for him dropping out of the race?

Win win for both sides
If they did it wouldn't be in writing.
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1:34p, 10/20/23
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chesebro is an attorney who wrote some memos and emails about the alternate elector strategy, a strategy perpetrated by democrats before.. only when they did it, it was obviously (d)ifferent. This time, the memos and emails are clearly an overt act that should help fulton county's DA land the regime's most popular political opponent in prison under state RICO statutes.. to protect our democracy of course.
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In reply to Correction • 1:39p, 10/20/23
Correction said:
Cheesebro is pleading to the charge of "Conspiracy to File False Electoral Documents"

Pretty similar deal to Powell. 5 years probation, $5K fine, 100 hours community service, apology letter, testify against co-defendants.
A minor clarification:
The agreement was not that he would testify against the other co-defendants, but that he would be truthful in his testimony (something he would have to swear to, anyway).

Why does this always get turned around to being an agreement to testify against someone. He is only agreeing to be truthful. Is it that the other co-defendants want to hide from the truth?
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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In reply to oh no • 1:40p, 10/20/23
He plead guilty to conspiracy to falsely certify and submit fake electors in an effort to overturn the lawful results.

This hasn't happened before. In Hawaii in 1960 the second set of EC votes were certified by the governor following a statutory recount.
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In reply to DenverAg91 • 1:41p, 10/20/23
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DenverAg91 said:
Do you think they would offer Trump a plea deal in exchange for him dropping out of the race?

Win win for both sides
I don't think they could do that.
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In reply to Watermelon Man • 1:45p, 10/20/23
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Watermelon Man said:
Correction said:
Cheesebro is pleading to the charge of "Conspiracy to File False Electoral Documents"

Pretty similar deal to Powell. 5 years probation, $5K fine, 100 hours community service, apology letter, testify against co-defendants.
A minor clarification:
The agreement was not that he would testify against the other co-defendants, but that he would be truthful in his testimony (something he would have to swear to, anyway).

Why does this always get turned around to being an agreement to testify against someone. He is only agreeing to be truthful. Is it that the other co-defendants want to hide from the truth?


He's presumably going to be a government witness, called by them because they believe what he'll say helps them win the case by implicating the defendants committed crimes. So, that's why you hear it said that he'll "testify against the defendants."

(He wouldn't have to swear to testifying truthfully, of course, if there wasn't a plea deal. He'd plead the 5th and that'd be the end of it. Now, he has already given them recorded testimony and he has to testify at trial. That's the bigger piece of news, not so much the semantics of who he'll testify "against.)
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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 1:54p, 10/20/23
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Watermelon Man said:
Correction said:
Cheesebro is pleading to the charge of "Conspiracy to File False Electoral Documents"

Pretty similar deal to Powell. 5 years probation, $5K fine, 100 hours community service, apology letter, testify against co-defendants.
A minor clarification:
The agreement was not that he would testify against the other co-defendants, but that he would be truthful in his testimony (something he would have to swear to, anyway).

Why does this always get turned around to being an agreement to testify against someone. He is only agreeing to be truthful. Is it that the other co-defendants want to hide from the truth?


He's presumably going to be a government witness, called by them because they believe what he'll say helps them win the case by implicating the defendants committed crimes. So, that's why you hear it said that he'll "testify against the defendants."

(He wouldn't have to swear to testifying truthfully, of course, if there wasn't a plea deal. He'd plead the 5th and that'd be the end of it. Now, he has already given them recorded testimony and he has to testify at trial. That's the bigger piece of news, not so much the semantics of who he'll testify "against.)
Watching this morning, I believe he publicly agreed to waive his right to take the 5th as a condition of his plea.
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In reply to Whistle Pig • 1:56p, 10/20/23
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He plead guilty to conspiracy to falsely certify and submit fake electors in an effort to overturn the lawful results.

This hasn't happened before. In Hawaii in 1960 the second set of EC votes were certified by the governor following a statutory recount.
Hayes/Tilden election. 1876 and the Compromise of 1877. Several states submitted competing slates of electors. No one was ever prosecuted for it.

Even faithless electors are rarely if ever prosecuted in most states. It isn't even a crime. Does no one remember after 2016 election when Hollywood stars were cutting commercials asking the electors to violate their oaths and vote for Hillary?
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In reply to Watermelon Man • 2:02p, 10/20/23
Watermelon Man said:
Correction said:
Cheesebro is pleading to the charge of "Conspiracy to File False Electoral Documents"

Pretty similar deal to Powell. 5 years probation, $5K fine, 100 hours community service, apology letter, testify against co-defendants.
A minor clarification:
The agreement was not that he would testify against the other co-defendants, but that he would be truthful in his testimony (something he would have to swear to, anyway).

Why does this always get turned around to being an agreement to testify against someone. He is only agreeing to be truthful. Is it that the other co-defendants want to hide from the truth?
What, pray tell, do you suppose prosecutors would call him to testify about, other than the actions of his co-defendants?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 2:02p, 10/20/23
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aggiehawg said:
Whistle Pig said:
He plead guilty to conspiracy to falsely certify and submit fake electors in an effort to overturn the lawful results.

This hasn't happened before. In Hawaii in 1960 the second set of EC votes were certified by the governor following a statutory recount.
Hayes/Tilden election. 1876 and the Compromise of 1877. Several states submitted competing slates of electors. No one was ever prosecuted for it.

Even faithless electors are rarely if ever prosecuted in most states. It isn't even a crime. Does no one remember after 2016 election when Hollywood stars were cutting commercials asking the electors to violate their oaths and vote for Hillary?
that was (d)ifferent
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In reply to oh no • 2:13p, 10/20/23
Right. It was different because they were certified by the state under a legal process, not by losers meeting at Waffle House. Hayes/Tilden was before the ECA.
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2:17p, 10/20/23
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They recorded his proffer. Wish we could hear it.
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In reply to Correction • 2:19p, 10/20/23
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Watermelon Man said:
Correction said:
Cheesebro is pleading to the charge of "Conspiracy to File False Electoral Documents"

Pretty similar deal to Powell. 5 years probation, $5K fine, 100 hours community service, apology letter, testify against co-defendants.
A minor clarification:
The agreement was not that he would testify against the other co-defendants, but that he would be truthful in his testimony (something he would have to swear to, anyway).

Why does this always get turned around to being an agreement to testify against someone. He is only agreeing to be truthful. Is it that the other co-defendants want to hide from the truth?
What, pray tell, do you suppose prosecutors would call him to testify about, other than the actions of his co-defendants?
Well, I don't want to conjecture what the prosecutor will or will not ask. The point is that without this agreement, the expectations would be that Chesebro would lie. Even after swearing to tell the truth and even under penalty of perjury. Of course, he can still lie, but now, in addition to the perjury penalty, there are felony charges in play if he lies to the court.

Perhaps you could tell me how (or why) a promise to tell the truth is considered to be testifying against someone or something.
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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In reply to Watermelon Man • 2:24p, 10/20/23
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The expectation without this isn't that he would lie. It's that he wouldn't say anything at all.

The government got a recorded statement from him as part of making the deal. They presumably like what he had to say otherwise it's not clear that they would have agreed to the deal.
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In reply to Whistle Pig • 2:31p, 10/20/23
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Whistle Pig said:
Right. It was different because they were certified by the state under a legal process, not by losers meeting at Waffle House. Hayes/Tilden was before the ECA.

please connect the dots on the mentality of the democracy in action here:
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-losers meeting at waffle house = no crimes or punishments?
-attorney writing memos and emails about the strategy of using losers meeting at waffle house = guilty of misdemeanor - apology letter written
-local business owner claiming machines were insecure and compromised and asking attorneys to inspect them - punishment pending? did that guy already plead guilty? apology letter written yet?
-attorney who sent staff to look at the machine - guilty of misdemeanor - apology letter written
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-other overt acts like booking a conference room and making a phone call - punishments pending
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-more overt acts?
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-orange man in jail for RICO conspiracy! yay! He can't run for office no matter how many millions of fellow americans wanted to vote for him because he's rotting in prison for the overt acts of his co-defendants who wrote apology letters. Democracy saved!
I know you probably need a towel to go clean up after thinking about orange man in jail, but in this scenario of trump in jail vs trump losing an election based on the popularity of socialism, what happens next? do all americans unite, hold hands, and sing kumbaya? how does it go in your mind when he's jail for RICO after his co-defendants wrote apology letters?
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In reply to oh no • 2:33p, 10/20/23
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oh no said:
Whistle Pig said:
Right. It was different because they were certified by the state under a legal process, not by losers meeting at Waffle House. Hayes/Tilden was before the ECA.

please connect the dots on the mentality of the democracy in action here:
Quote:
-losers meeting at waffle house = no crimes or punishments?
-attorney writing memos and emails about the strategy of using losers meeting at waffle house = guilty of misdemeanor - apology letter written
-local business owner claiming machines were insecure and compromised and asking attorneys to inspect them - punishment pending? did that guy already plead guilty? apology letter written yet?
-attorney who sent staff to look at the machine - guilty of misdemeanor - apology letter written
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-other overt acts like booking a conference room and making a phone call - punishments pending
-
-more overt acts?
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-orange man in jail for RICO conspiracy! yay! He can't run for office no matter how many millions of fellow americans wanted to vote for him because he's rotting in prison for the overt acts of his co-defendants who wrote apology letters. Democracy saved!
I know you probably need a towel to go clean up after thinking about orange man in jail, but in this scenario of trump in jail vs trump losing an election based on the popularity of socialism, what happens next? do all americans unite, hold hands, and sing kumbaya? how does it go in your mind when he's jail for RICO after his co-defendants wrote apology letters?
DeSantis gets the nomination, wins the general. 8 years of a conservative getting **** done.
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In reply to oh no • 2:41p, 10/20/23
You partially summarized the conspiracy to overturn lawful results. Decent job.

I didn't read the irrelevant manifesto at the end about "socialism".
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 2:44p, 10/20/23
pretty sure someone else has previously pled guilty and will testify against Trump

but maybe that was from another of his 53 criminal and civil trials.
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In reply to Whistle Pig • 3:15p, 10/20/23
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Right. It was different because they were certified by the state under a legal process, not by losers meeting at Waffle House. Hayes/Tilden was before the ECA.
Tell me you know nothing about history without telling me you know nothing about how many states had competing state actors "certifying" results from fraudulent recounts. Canvassing Boards wrote a certification, Governors wrote certifications, etc. It was a state matter as to how their electors were chosen. But the state governments were split on how and who that really was.

Which leads me to the unconstitutionality of the Electoral Count Act as originally enacted Somewhere in that 200+ word run on sentence was the provision that if the state couldn't agree on the results, the Governor got to decide, whether that office was authorized to do so or not under state law.

But let's go to more recent tmes. !960 and Hawaii. Vote results were under contest and being reviewed. No one was sure who had won the state. But rather than Hawaii's EC votes being not accepted by Congress had they not met the Safe Harbor deadline, two slates were prepared, pending a final result occurring after the Safe Harbor date but before Jan 6th.

The reason for this is to preserve the citizen's votes from the states are counted in the Electoral College. It is more about not disenfranchising an entire state in a Presidential election rather than changing the results of one. But for many, that is a very difficult concept to understand.
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In reply to LMCane • 3:21p, 10/20/23
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fka ftc said:
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Solid case when the person most out over their skis and promising krakens and such, who actually did some admittedly and somewhat nefarious tactics in her hunt for the kraken, has all felony charges dropped in return for a plea on some misdemeanors and an apology letter.

Any idea she has "damning" testimony on Trump is laughable. Three plus years later and TDS sufferers still think there is some bombshell left to come out regarding Trump, elections, Jan 6th and classified documents.

Let me solve the mystery for you... there are no secret bombshells. Instead, the left is now left to inventing crimes.

BTW - Let her whittle it down to just Trump. Its perfect, as it then is dismissed due to his immunity. I am not here to argue that, it is simply FACT.

Have fun Trump Haterz, keep up little "wins" like this as he coasts to victory in 2024.
LOL.

"Here's why one of Trump's co-defendants taking a plea deal in exchange for testimony is actually really good news for him..."

Spin much harder and you'll throw the earth off its axis.
Spin? Not at all, just an objective take.

Let me know when Sidney releases the "kraken" of testimony against Trump. Again, has she ever even met the dude?

Some of you act like she was WH counsel.

William Barr was the Attorney General of the United States and has stated numerous times Trump is unfit for office.

Or is it only the word of the WH counsel that's now important in TrumpWorld?

because I can post a lot of interesting things that the WH counsels have stated about Trump as well.
Well thank god William Barr has spoken. You can keep your Trump hate to yourself and coddle with it as it warms your heart.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 3:25p, 10/20/23
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DeSantis gets the nomination, wins the general. 8 years of a conservative getting **** done.
As a Biden voter and committed lib, that prospect has to be just terrifying for you.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 3:27p, 10/20/23
Lots of long suffering TrumpHaterz out this afternoon. Still popping little boners on the idea they may finally get Trump, meanwhile the world cycles full speed to WWIII.

They do not care about the law, facts, history, or justice. Just as long as Orange Man and his supporters suffer in perpetuity for daring to challenge the status (and for mean tweets too no doubt).
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 3:32p, 10/20/23
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DeSantis gets the nomination, wins the general. 8 years of a conservative getting **** done.
you're not fooling anyone. you don't want this.
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In reply to oh no • 3:36p, 10/20/23
oh no said:
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DeSantis gets the nomination, wins the general. 8 years of a conservative getting **** done.
you're not fooling anyone. you don't want this.
But they promise they just had a weak moment and are conservative at heart!

Yet, all they do everyday all day is scour the interwebs for Trump farts so they can run here and post the smell of the day....

Posters should always post what their positions are, but honesty at times would be appreciated. And as you indicate, sometimes folks just are not being genuine nor honest in their posting.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:33p, 10/20/23
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There was a court ordered recount still occurring in Hawaii when the two parties got their electors together. And it was all done out in the open with the knowledge of the appropriate officials.
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4:14a, 10/21/23
https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-temporarily-halts-trumps-limited-gag-order-federal/story?id=104186855

The federal judge overseeing former President Donald Trump's election interference case in Washington, D.C., on Friday temporarily halted the limited gag order she had placed on the former president on Monday.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan requested briefings from the government and from Trump's lawyers following Trump's appeal of her order earlier Friday.
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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 11:40a, 10/21/23
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TXAggie2011 said:
There was a court ordered recount still occurring in Hawaii when the two parties got their electors together. And it was all done out in the open with the knowledge of the appropriate officials.
So? The safe harbor provision is a deadline for a state's electors to be accepted by Congress in the Joint Session on certification.

Taking measures to address a contingency that is possible under the law, doesn't make it illegal. Doesn't make it a conspiracy to commit a crime either. No one can predict the future but that safe harbor provision seems to ignore that. And leaving the decision up to Congress (by party lines) to decide whether or not to accept a state's attempted certification is not a wise idea either.

Finally, changing the Electoral Count Act after the 2020 election indicates the matter was not as settled as many like to pretend it was. If it were settled law, no need to amend it, right? And like most knee jerk reactions, can easily come back to haunt everybody.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 8:39a, 10/24/23
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GeorgiAg said:


Scott Hall
Sidney Powell
Kenneth Chesebro
MIsty Hampton
Cathy Latham
David Shafer
Shawn Still
Harrison Floyd
Steven Lee
Robert Cheely
Trevian Kutti
Mike Roman
Ray Smith
Jeffey Clark
Jenna Ellis
Mark Meadows
John Eastman
Rudy

THE ORANGE ONE
Jenna Ellis is the next domino.
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