The agent was named and it was reported on MSNBC that he'd testify. If he comes out and says that report is false, you may be on to somethingJ. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:The sources were named. Can you read?J. Walter Weatherman said:larry culpepper said:You're placing more weight on a tweet about an unnamed source than actual testimony under oath.Rockdoc said:
Awww……that's a shame.
On to the next lie libs!
I'm not even taking a position here. If they are ready to testify that, then they should. Until then, we have nothing.
No issues with unnamed sources as long as they support Dear Leader.
"A source close to the secret service."
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J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:The sources were named. Can you read?J. Walter Weatherman said:larry culpepper said:You're placing more weight on a tweet about an unnamed source than actual testimony under oath.Rockdoc said:
Awww……that's a shame.
On to the next lie libs!
I'm not even taking a position here. If they are ready to testify that, then they should. Until then, we have nothing.
No issues with unnamed sources as long as they support Dear Leader.
"A source close to the secret service."
Bobby Engel, lead secret service agent.
And the SS agent who was driving.
Hardly unnamed. But you knew that.
This means another 2 weeks of the clown show. Don't worry Larry and Walter, they'll come up with something else.
At least be fair man!
The source of the story about Engel is unknown.
I'm Gipper
The source of the story about Engel is unknown.
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1872walker said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:The sources were named. Can you read?J. Walter Weatherman said:larry culpepper said:You're placing more weight on a tweet about an unnamed source than actual testimony under oath.Rockdoc said:
Awww……that's a shame.
On to the next lie libs!
I'm not even taking a position here. If they are ready to testify that, then they should. Until then, we have nothing.
No issues with unnamed sources as long as they support Dear Leader.
"A source close to the secret service."
Bobby Engel, lead secret service agent.
And the SS agent who was driving.
Hardly unnamed. But you knew that.
If he comes out publicly and refutes it then great, the aide that testified today will definitely have some explaining to do. Until then this is still an unnamed source that this board loves to crap on (when it's something negative about Trump).
Im Gipper said:
At least be fair man!
The source of the story about Engel is unknown.
So is the testimony today. Unknown source. She said she heard it. Who did she hear it from?
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
J. Walter Weatherman said:1872walker said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:The sources were named. Can you read?J. Walter Weatherman said:larry culpepper said:You're placing more weight on a tweet about an unnamed source than actual testimony under oath.Rockdoc said:
Awww……that's a shame.
On to the next lie libs!
I'm not even taking a position here. If they are ready to testify that, then they should. Until then, we have nothing.
No issues with unnamed sources as long as they support Dear Leader.
"A source close to the secret service."
Bobby Engel, lead secret service agent.
And the SS agent who was driving.
Hardly unnamed. But you knew that.
If he comes out publicly and refutes it then great, the aide that testified today will definitely have some explaining to do. Until then this is still an unnamed source that this board loves to crap on (when it's something negative about Trump).
The aide that testified today cited unnamed sources. Didn't she?
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
aginlakeway said:J. Walter Weatherman said:1872walker said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:The sources were named. Can you read?J. Walter Weatherman said:larry culpepper said:You're placing more weight on a tweet about an unnamed source than actual testimony under oath.Rockdoc said:
Awww……that's a shame.
On to the next lie libs!
I'm not even taking a position here. If they are ready to testify that, then they should. Until then, we have nothing.
No issues with unnamed sources as long as they support Dear Leader.
"A source close to the secret service."
Bobby Engel, lead secret service agent.
And the SS agent who was driving.
Hardly unnamed. But you knew that.
If he comes out publicly and refutes it then great, the aide that testified today will definitely have some explaining to do. Until then this is still an unnamed source that this board loves to crap on (when it's something negative about Trump).
The aide that testified today cited unnamed sources. Didn't she?
Walter not happy. Plan backfired!
aginlakeway said:Im Gipper said:
At least be fair man!
The source of the story about Engel is unknown.
So is the testimony today. Unknown source. She said she heard it. Who did she hear it from?
Tony Ornato
She named names!
I'm Gipper
aginlakeway said:J. Walter Weatherman said:1872walker said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:The sources were named. Can you read?J. Walter Weatherman said:larry culpepper said:You're placing more weight on a tweet about an unnamed source than actual testimony under oath.Rockdoc said:
Awww……that's a shame.
On to the next lie libs!
I'm not even taking a position here. If they are ready to testify that, then they should. Until then, we have nothing.
No issues with unnamed sources as long as they support Dear Leader.
"A source close to the secret service."
Bobby Engel, lead secret service agent.
And the SS agent who was driving.
Hardly unnamed. But you knew that.
If he comes out publicly and refutes it then great, the aide that testified today will definitely have some explaining to do. Until then this is still an unnamed source that this board loves to crap on (when it's something negative about Trump).
The aide that testified today cited unnamed sources. Didn't she?
She definitely named who relayed her the information.
Quote:
Tony Ornato, then-White House deputy chief of staff, told Hutchinson that Robert Engel, who was the Secret Service agent in charge on January 6, 2021, repeatedly told Trump on their way back to the White House after Trump's Ellipse speech that it wasn't safe to go to the Capitol.
According to Hutchinson, Ornato recounted Trump screaming, "I'm the ****ing President. Take me up to the Capitol now."
Trump then "reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel," Hutchinson remembered learning. She added that, according to Ornato, Trump used his other hand to "lunge" at Engel.
Engel and Ornato have both testified to the committee behind closed doors, but their statements were not been used in Tuesday's hearing.
So there are a couple people it would be pretty easy to check with.
Im Gipper said:aginlakeway said:Im Gipper said:
At least be fair man!
The source of the story about Engel is unknown.
So is the testimony today. Unknown source. She said she heard it. Who did she hear it from?
Tony Ornato
She named names!
What did she hear from him? Was that her testimony? That she heard from him that events occurred?
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
Have you ever read about her testimony?
I'm Gipper
I'm Gipper
J. Walter Weatherman said:aginlakeway said:J. Walter Weatherman said:1872walker said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:The sources were named. Can you read?J. Walter Weatherman said:larry culpepper said:You're placing more weight on a tweet about an unnamed source than actual testimony under oath.Rockdoc said:
Awww……that's a shame.
On to the next lie libs!
I'm not even taking a position here. If they are ready to testify that, then they should. Until then, we have nothing.
No issues with unnamed sources as long as they support Dear Leader.
"A source close to the secret service."
Bobby Engel, lead secret service agent.
And the SS agent who was driving.
Hardly unnamed. But you knew that.
If he comes out publicly and refutes it then great, the aide that testified today will definitely have some explaining to do. Until then this is still an unnamed source that this board loves to crap on (when it's something negative about Trump).
The aide that testified today cited unnamed sources. Didn't she?
She definitely named who relayed her the information.Quote:
Tony Ornato, then-White House deputy chief of staff, told Hutchinson that Robert Engel, who was the Secret Service agent in charge on January 6, 2021, repeatedly told Trump on their way back to the White House after Trump's Ellipse speech that it wasn't safe to go to the Capitol.
According to Hutchinson, Ornato recounted Trump screaming, "I'm the ****ing President. Take me up to the Capitol now."
Trump then "reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel," Hutchinson remembered learning. She added that, according to Ornato, Trump used his other hand to "lunge" at Engel.
Engel and Ornato have both testified to the committee behind closed doors, but their statements were not been used in Tuesday's hearing.
So there are a couple people it would be pretty easy to check with.
So her testimony was that she heard this from others? Isn't that hearsay?.
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
Im Gipper said:
Have you ever read about her testimony?
Yes. I don't see anything relevant that's 1st hand. What are we missing?
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
Quote:
So her testimony was that she heard this from others? Isn't that hearsay?.
Answered above. What the secret service agent told her he saw would generally be hearsay. If he is "unavailable" then it may be permitted.
What she heard someone else say would possibly not be hearsay depending on what she heard and who the defendant was in the prosecution.
I'm Gipper
Im Gipper said:aginlakeway said:Im Gipper said:
At least be fair man!
The source of the story about Engel is unknown.
So is the testimony today. Unknown source. She said she heard it. Who did she hear it from?
Tony Ornato
She named names!
He and Engel both testified to the J6 committee. Why were they not the ones testifying in public? At the minimum, why was their testimony not entered into the record and made available to the public?
Im Gipper said:Quote:
So her testimony was that she heard this from others? Isn't that hearsay?.
Answered above. What the secret service agent told her he saw would generally be hearsay. If he is "unavailable" then it may be permitted.
What she heard someone else say would possibly not be hearsay depending on what she heard and who the defendant was in the prosecution.
So what did she witness? And when is the prosecution?
How did Trump grab the steering wheel if he wasn't in the front seat?
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
All in all, another nothingburger. Good job idiots!
aginlakeway said:Im Gipper said:
Have you ever read about her testimony?
Yes. I don't see anything relevant that's 1st hand. What are we missing?
Correct, she was not in the car with them (nice pivot from "she used anonymous sources!!"). She is very clearly testifying to what she was told. Not sure what you're trying to argue here.
J. Walter Weatherman said:aginlakeway said:Im Gipper said:
Have you ever read about her testimony?
Yes. I don't see anything relevant that's 1st hand. What are we missing?
Correct, she was not in the car with them (nice pivot from "she used anonymous sources!!"). She is very clearly testifying to what she was told. Not sure what you're trying to argue here.
Then why are they pushing public testimony from someone who heard something rather than releasing the testimony they already received from those who were actually there.
Why aren't they testifying in public?
Here's the thing. The committee has Secret Service testimony that would seemingly corroborate or dispute what Cassidy Hutchinson said today, but it wasn't played. Unclear why.
— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) June 28, 2022
New: Source close to the Secret Service tells @PierreTABC to expect the Secret Service to push back against any allegation of an assault against an agent or President Trump reaching for the steering wheel.
— John Santucci (@Santucci) June 28, 2022
Moot point.larry culpepper said:You're placing more weight on a tweet about an unnamed source than actual testimony under oath.Rockdoc said:
Awww……that's a shame.
On to the next lie libs!
I'm not even taking a position here. If they are ready to testify that, then they should. Until then, we have nothing.
No way in hell does the committee call them up.
Here is her testimony: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108396692/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcriptaginlakeway said:Im Gipper said:Quote:
So what did she witness? And when is the prosecution?
How did Trump grab the steering wheel if he wasn't in the front seat?
Prosecution of Trump? Never. Others like Eastman or Clark? Possibly soon. FBI sure seems interested in them.
As for grabbing the steering wheel, who knows. As I said above, thats tabloid stuff. Unless Liz gets him to testify, that seems to be an unbelievable tale.
I'm Gipper
Captain Cognitive Dissonance much?captkirk said:This is not evidenceNeehau said:No evidence is enough evidence for the victims of propaganda on the political right.GeorgiAg said:
After he was told they had weapons, Trump told the crowd to march to the Capitol. Meadows aware people with weapons marching to the Capitol.
"I am neither an Athenian nor a Greek, but a citizen of the world"-Plato, attributed to Socrates, Theaetetus-
1872walker said:New: Source close to the Secret Service tells @PierreTABC to expect the Secret Service to push back against any allegation of an assault against an agent or President Trump reaching for the steering wheel.
— John Santucci (@Santucci) June 28, 2022
Another report. Interesting.
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
Neehau said:Captain Cognitive Dissonance much?captkirk said:This is not evidenceNeehau said:No evidence is enough evidence for the victims of propaganda on the political right.GeorgiAg said:
After he was told they had weapons, Trump told the crowd to march to the Capitol. Meadows aware people with weapons marching to the Capitol.
So do you think that what happened on Jan 6 was a bigger national tragedy than Katrina?
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
You are correct. It won't be refuted because they will not call anyone who actually knows and can refute her.Quote:
, I dont think the J6 committee would call her to testify if they knew it would be easily refuted
Different type of national tragedy. Katrina was a natural disaster. January 6th was like the Fort Sumter attack starting the Civil War.aginlakeway said:Neehau said:Captain Cognitive Dissonance much?captkirk said:This is not evidenceNeehau said:No evidence is enough evidence for the victims of propaganda on the political right.GeorgiAg said:
After he was told they had weapons, Trump told the crowd to march to the Capitol. Meadows aware people with weapons marching to the Capitol.
So do you think that what happened on Jan 6 was a bigger national tragedy than Katrina?
"I am neither an Athenian nor a Greek, but a citizen of the world"-Plato, attributed to Socrates, Theaetetus-
The only ones who could convict her of lying are the members of this committee, who want her to lie.Quote:
actual testimony under oath.
And since she's not stating facts she knows, but repeating rumor and hearsay, conviction for lying would be impossible.
Quote:
Dude, Trump is no angel and if the criticism of him over the years had been somewhat even handed and not constantly full of lies and hyperbole, we might be inclined to be a bit more critical of him;
Democrats and the Main Stream Media never read The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Neehau said:Different type of national tragedy. Katrina was a natural disaster. January 6th was like the Fort Sumter attack starting the Civil War.aginlakeway said:Neehau said:Captain Cognitive Dissonance much?captkirk said:This is not evidenceNeehau said:No evidence is enough evidence for the victims of propaganda on the political right.GeorgiAg said:
After he was told they had weapons, Trump told the crowd to march to the Capitol. Meadows aware people with weapons marching to the Capitol.
So do you think that what happened on Jan 6 was a bigger national tragedy than Katrina?
Oh boy
Neehau said:Different type of national tragedy. Katrina was a natural disaster. January 6th was like the Fort Sumter attack starting the Civil War.aginlakeway said:Neehau said:Captain Cognitive Dissonance much?captkirk said:This is not evidenceNeehau said:No evidence is enough evidence for the victims of propaganda on the political right.GeorgiAg said:
After he was told they had weapons, Trump told the crowd to march to the Capitol. Meadows aware people with weapons marching to the Capitol.
So do you think that what happened on Jan 6 was a bigger national tragedy than Katrina?
OK ... so how many national tragedies have occurred since 9/11?
You don't think a hurricane that hits the US and causes 1800 deaths is a national tragedy? How about the BLM riots that killed hundreds and cost billions in damage?
Must people consider tragedies based on deaths, etc. And a national tragedy is one that occurs across the nation.
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
CanyonAg77 said:You are correct. It won't be refuted because they will not call anyone who actually knows and can refute her.Quote:
, I dont think the J6 committee would call her to testify if they knew it would be easily refuted
Try as they might to convince everyone that this is worthy of our time and tax dollars, at least it's entertaining to watch all the libs get so excersized over something only to see their fabrications get destroyed.
1872walker said:J. Walter Weatherman said:aginlakeway said:Im Gipper said:
Have you ever read about her testimony?
Yes. I don't see anything relevant that's 1st hand. What are we missing?
Correct, she was not in the car with them (nice pivot from "she used anonymous sources!!"). She is very clearly testifying to what she was told. Not sure what you're trying to argue here.
Then why are they pushing public testimony from someone who heard something rather than releasing the testimony they already received from those who were actually there.
Why aren't they testifying in public?Here's the thing. The committee has Secret Service testimony that would seemingly corroborate or dispute what Cassidy Hutchinson said today, but it wasn't played. Unclear why.
— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) June 28, 2022
No idea, you'd probably have to ask the committee. Will certainly blow up in their faces if anyone is willing to testify it didn't happen though.
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