*****Official Jan 6th Committee Hearing Thread*****

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Carolin_Gallego said:

tysker said:

What your opinion is the ultimate goal or purpose of this (except for borrowing and spending taxpayer dollars) and how will you define as successful outcome?
I think the documentation of the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to January 6th has been a successful outcome thus far.

Well keep watching because I think you're their only audience.
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Another J6 Committee lie disproved.

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EKUAg said:

Another J6 Committee lie disproved.


One of those "facts" Keef is happy about
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EKUAg said:

Another J6 Committee lie disproved.


They have him on video.
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The Jan 6th narrative that Trump knew for fact that his concerns and claims about the election were false is required to get to a potential charge against him of interference of a government function, namely Jan 6th Joint Session. He had to know it was false to have the mens rea of a "corrupt" motive as required by the statute.

And had they acted faster, they might have been able to make that stick but now primaries are happening and the same issues that happened with electronic voting systems in 2020 are popping up again.

Dominion is having problems in several counties in Georgia and New Mexico. Their systems are out of EAC compliance. Ballot alignment issues (not a printing problem) were caused by a software problem that they never fixed. Much like what happened in Antrim County Michigan. The down ballot races were all off.
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Why did he do that?
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Carolin_Gallego said:

tysker said:

What your opinion is the ultimate goal or purpose of this (except for borrowing and spending taxpayer dollars) and how will you define as successful outcome?
I think the documentation of the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to January 6th has been a successful outcome thus far.
Has anyone documented why Nancy Pelosi refused the National Guard's help on January 6? It's almost like she wanted something bad to happen. Will she be questioned?
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ATLANTA, MAY 3, 2022 Early voting for the 2022 Georgia primaries began yesterday with yet another Dominion voting system malfunction. The Democracy Suite 5.5 Ballot Marking Device (BMD) touchscreens failed to display language for the 9 th Republican question out of 13 on the DeKalb County Republican ballot. The controversial touchscreens displayed only a "Yes" and "No" for the 9 th question without the actual referendum language itself. The question which printed correctly on mail-in ballots read: "Do you feel mask mandates represent appropriate government control over your constitutional freedom?" Some DeKalb precincts like Briarlake posted the printed version of the question at each voting station to compensate for the malfunction while others like the Tucker Library were unaware of the problem for most of the day. DeKalb Elections' staff could not explain why the malfunction was not corrected, or at least detected, during logic and accuracy testing. The Democracy Suite system has been constantly criticized because it accumulates votes hidden in a Quick Response (QR) code the voter cannot read.

A U.S. District court found in a 2020 order that the system does not print an elector verifiable ballot nor show the elector's choices in human readable text as required by Georgia laws. The system was purchased for over $100 million in 2019 by Secretary Brad Raffensperger despite warnings from computer scientists, cyber security experts, election integrity advocates, as well as Georgia voters.
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Yesterday was not the first time that the Dominion system has malfunctioned. The voting system previously failed to tabulate correctly for the 2020 recount in Coffee County and other Georgia counties.

That failure was the subject of testimony at the House Government Affairs Committee and Senate Judiciary Sub-Committee hearings in December of 2020.

Yesterday was also not the first time that a Georgia voting system failed to display selections properly. In 2018, Georgia's unverifiable Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) touchscreens produced by Electronic Systems and Software (ES&S) appeared to fail in displaying the Lieutenant Governor's race between Geoff Duncan and Sarah Riggs Amico correctly.

A VoterGA analysis and affidavits from a subsequent lawsuit indicated the race may have been randomly left off touchscreens in minority dominant precincts when selections were first displayed to voters. The race displayed correctly if voters returned from the selection summary screen. Ms. Amico suffered a loss of over 100,000 votes with a 5% undervote rate compared to a normal 1% rate for that race historically and for other 2018 down ballot races. The anomaly still represents the greatest unexplained undervote in electronic voting history
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aggiehawg said:

Dominion is having problems in several counties in Georgia and New Mexico. Their systems are out of EAC compliance. Ballot alignment issues (not a printing problem) were caused by a software problem that they never fixed. Much like what happened in Antrim County Michigan. The down ballot races were all off.
The problem is the EAC has not certified any independent testing laboratories to perform the "VVSG 2.0" certification needed for Dominion to be in compliance.

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Antrim County initially reported incorrect unofficial results because the clerk had updated the software on some but not all of the county's Dominion vote counting machines. This was a user error, and not a flaw in the technology. (A more detailed explanation of the error is available here.)
https://www.michigan.gov/sos/elections/elec-security/related-pages/fact-checks/example-4
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The security of the capitol was not the responsibility of Nancy Pelosi. The Capitol Police chief reports to the Capitol Police Board which includes the Sergeants at Arms for both chambers who are elected by their chambers and none of them report to Pelosi. After hours of testimony, we know Pelosi was never involved in Capitol security decisions. And even if she was, this argument is illogical scapegoating. It would not change Trump's culpability.
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Is this fact or opinion?
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Individuals on the tour photographed/recorded areas not typically of interest to tourists: hallways, staircases and security checkpoints.
At 2:27 why to the passerbys stop if there was nothing of note to take a picture of?

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It's pretty obvious they see the man taking a picture (guy points) and are trying to stay out of the picture (they back up and then proceed on their way after the picture).
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A picture of a corner? If there was nothing notable to take a picture of, why would they stop? Do they stop everytime a person in a hallway has a camera out? Do you?


eta: these videos are almost case studies that law schools use to show how evidence can be skewed and misleading
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And then the guy talking the photos ends up storming the Capitol with a sharpened flag pole and saying "There's no escape Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler! We're coming for you!"

Maybe it is coincidence that the man had a tour with Loudermilk the day before.
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Which guy with the flag, are they the same person we see on the security feeds? Cant tell with a mask? Is there proof? Circumstantial evidence at best.

Dont be this guy


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Carolin_Gallego said:

It's pretty obvious they see the man taking a picture (guy points) and are trying to stay out of the picture (they back up and then proceed on their way after the picture).

Go get 'em, Gil Grissom!

Image ENHANCE!
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How much investigating was done for the young lady that was killed?
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Funky Winkerbean said:

How much investigating was done for the young lady that was killed?

They. Did. Not. Even. Interview. The. Guy.
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I'm afraid carolin is in for another big letdown. What a way to waste your time worrying about this dem clown show.
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How do they know that video is from Jan 5?
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Rockdoc said:

I'm afraid carolin is in for another big letdown. What a way to waste your time worrying about this dem clown show.

Dude has virtually been on the receiving end of a money-shot by "Merry Fitzmas", "Mueller Time!", two failed impeachment attempts, CPL Avenatti going to jail, and a January 6th hearing that even MSNBC didn't care about...and still won't quit.

It's a fetish.

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Today's hearing begins at 12:00pm central time.



Witnesses:
Mr. Greg Jacob, Former Counsel to Vice President Mike Pence
The Honorable J. Michael Luttig, Retired judge for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit and informal advisor to Mike Pence
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Funky Winkerbean said:

How much investigating was done for the young lady that was killed?
Why doesnt her life matter?
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Owlagdad said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

How much investigating was done for the young lady that was killed?
Why doesnt her life matter?

It certainly doesn't matter to one of our posters. The state of our nation certainly doesn't matter to him as he never even brings it up. It's just "get Trump" 24 hours a day. What a waste of a life.
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Supreme Court Justice Thomas' wife is said to have had a more extensive role that may be talked about in one of the upcoming hearings.
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The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol has obtained email correspondence between Virginia "Ginni" Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, and lawyer John Eastman, who played a key role in efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of Joe Biden's victory, according to three people involved in the committee's investigation.
The emails show that Thomas's efforts to overturn the election were more extensive than previously known, two of the people said. [...] The committee's members and staffers are now discussing whether to spend time during their public hearings exploring Ginni Thomas's role in the attempt to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/15/ginni-thomas-john-eastman-emails/
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Carolin_Gallego said:

Supreme Court Justice Thomas' wife is said to have had a more extensive role that may be talked about in one of the upcoming hearings.
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The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol has obtained email correspondence between Virginia "Ginni" Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, and lawyer John Eastman, who played a key role in efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of Joe Biden's victory, according to three people involved in the committee's investigation.
The emails show that Thomas's efforts to overturn the election were more extensive than previously known, two of the people said. [...] The committee's members and staffers are now discussing whether to spend time during their public hearings exploring Ginni Thomas's role in the attempt to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/15/ginni-thomas-john-eastman-emails/

"Is said to."

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Squadron7 said:

Carolin_Gallego said:

Supreme Court Justice Thomas' wife is said to have had a more extensive role that may be talked about in one of the upcoming hearings.
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The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol has obtained email correspondence between Virginia "Ginni" Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, and lawyer John Eastman, who played a key role in efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of Joe Biden's victory, according to three people involved in the committee's investigation.
The emails show that Thomas's efforts to overturn the election were more extensive than previously known, two of the people said. [...] The committee's members and staffers are now discussing whether to spend time during their public hearings exploring Ginni Thomas's role in the attempt to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/15/ginni-thomas-john-eastman-emails/

"Is said to."


We will all see (or open-minded people will) if, or when, the evidence (her emails) are made public in the next few days. Perhaps it will happen today.
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Neehau said:

aggieforester05 said:

Watermelon Man said:

aggieforester05 said:

Watermelon Man said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Somebody planned the Kavanaugh assault and encouraged others to participate in it expressly in order to revolt against the legal authority of the peoples representatives in order to overthrow him from being installed

Sounds like it meets your definition again

Buuuuuut

Let me guess:

It's STILL (D)ifferent


I am not clear on the facts of what you are calling "the Kavanaugh assault" so I am not sure it is an apt comparison. Did it force Congress to shut down, clear the House chamber, and force Congress to go into hiding? Was it targeted towards all members of Congress, or only specific ones? That is, was it a revolt against the whole of Congress, or a protest against aimed at specific representatives? I really don't know, so if you can elaborate on the specifics you might have a point. I can't seem to be able to find anything on it.

Regardless, just for the sake of argument, if you feel there were seditious actions taken against the US Congress during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings, you would need to find out who the 'somebody' was who planned it and encouraged others to participate as well as evidence of these actions. I'm sorry, but I can't seem to be able to find anything. Again, if you could provide more information, you might have a point.

But, for the record, if a Democrat planned and encouraged a coordinated attack on the Congress on the United States, I would hope they would be indicted, and if found guilty, punished as prescribed by law. The rule of law (in the US, anyway) should not concern itself on political affiliation. I realize that many Republicans feel that political affiliation should be considered when applying the rule of law, but I think that those people are wrong.




Do you have any self awareness at all? Do you not understand that the primary reason Conservatives are so upset with the political climate is the exact reasons you described above, but in the opposite direction? The problem for example is that we have a 1/6 committee, but there was no Kavanaugh assault hearings. Nobody bothered to get to the bottom of the latter, because it was perpetrated by liberals. If conservatives had done the same they would be imprisoned for decades. The rule of law in todays age absolutely concerns itself with political affiliation and we want that to stop. If conservatives/Republicans or liberals/Democrats break the law or engage in malicious/corrupt activities they should be treated the same, but they are clearly not. The American left is rotten to the core and is completely content weaponizing federal law enforcement to punish their political enemies for crimes that wouldn't even make a news article if it were committed by a lefty. Trying to deny that there is a double standard is akin to being a flat earther at this point.
Such an old trick, it should be called the GOT (Grand Old Trick). Accuse you opponents of your strategies, either before or after you employ them. That way, you can support your "both sides do it" claim.

As for the bolded part, Dr. Ford did testify in front of Congress. Not just a deposition, but in person. Why is it that the Republicans are afraid to testify in front of Congress, and will only submit to depositions? Perhaps they are trying to hide something?
I should have stated in my original response, that neither the Kavanaugh Assualt or 1/6 warranted a politicized committee used to only to sling mud. It would have been stupid and transparently partisan for Republicans to do it as it is for Democrats to do it now.

That being said, WTF are you talking about? Who is afraid to testify in Congress? Why would any Republican agree to testify in front of a transparently partisan witch hunt, where a bunch of lying dirt bag Democrats and Rhinos are going to twist facts into something that fits their narratives and leaves the public with a grossly distorted view of reality? Which will then be selectively edited and played on repeat eleventy billion times to manipulate the simple minds of low information voters. Maybe Republicans would be more apt to take part in these proceedings if they were treated fairly by the committee members and the media. They would be crucified regardless of their statements or the facts of the events in question. The lack of credibility of this committee is the fault of unbelievably dishonest Democrat/Rhino politicians, DNC propaganda outlets, and the ethically devoid liberals that support them.

Dr. Ford was a lying POS that should be in prison for perjuring herself in front of congress. Can you imagine the consequences if a Conservative supported by Republican senators came out and falsely testified in front of congress that a Democrat appointed nominee had sexually assaulted them in a transparent attempt to prevent a confirmation? There'd be committees, a special prosecutor, IRS audits, and the FBI stuck up their ass so far they'd look like a puppet.

It's (D)ifferent has never been more true. The American left doesn't care one iota about the rule of law and they sure as hell hate every word of our constitution because it is the foundation the most successful example of capitalism and freedom the world has ever seen. The antithesis of the progressive/communist agenda.


The bottom line is that any reasonable person should have believed the election was lost. That isn't the case. A deliberate false narrative was utilized to energize the insurgents on January 6th, money was raised that is unspoken for and people died during the insurgency. No spin doctoring can get in the way of these facts.
Almost 70% of the nation is concerned or very concerned with the lack of integrity in our election system. That's a whole lot of unreasonable people, I guess.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-faith-election-integrity-drops-poll/story?id=82069876
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Carolin_Gallego said:

Squadron7 said:

Carolin_Gallego said:

Supreme Court Justice Thomas' wife is said to have had a more extensive role that may be talked about in one of the upcoming hearings.
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The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol has obtained email correspondence between Virginia "Ginni" Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, and lawyer John Eastman, who played a key role in efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of Joe Biden's victory, according to three people involved in the committee's investigation.
The emails show that Thomas's efforts to overturn the election were more extensive than previously known, two of the people said. [...] The committee's members and staffers are now discussing whether to spend time during their public hearings exploring Ginni Thomas's role in the attempt to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/15/ginni-thomas-john-eastman-emails/

"Is said to."


We will all see (or open-minded people will) if, or when, the evidence (her emails) are made public in the next few days. Perhaps it will happen today.

You let us know if anything happens ok? The rest of us have lives to get on with. Thanks.
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Just a reminder about how the first amendment also applies to what Trump did or didn't say about January 6th.

Brandenberg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969)

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Brandenburg, a leader in the Ku Klux Klan, made a speech at a Klan rally and was later convicted under an Ohio criminal syndicalism law. The law made illegal advocating "crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform," as well as assembling "with any society, group, or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism."
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Did Ohio's criminal syndicalism law, prohibiting public speech that advocates various illegal activities, violate Brandenburg's right to free speech as protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments?
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The Court's Per Curiam opinion held that the Ohio law violated Brandenburg's right to free speech. The Court used a two-pronged test to evaluate speech acts: (1) speech can be prohibited if it is "directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action" and (2) it is "likely to incite or produce such action." The criminal syndicalism act made illegal the advocacy and teaching of doctrines while ignoring whether or not that advocacy and teaching would actually incite imminent lawless action. The failure to make this distinction rendered the law overly broad and in violation of the Constitution.
The use of "and" is critical. Both 1 and 2 have to be present.

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1968/492
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Well this went sideways.

Former Judge Luttig just called Trump a "clear and present danger" and then slams any Republican candidate in 2024 will also try to steal an election and not concede defeat. He didn't mention DeSantis directly but that was a pretty low blow.
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aggiehawg said:

Well this went sideways.

Former Judge Luttig just called Trump a "clear and present danger" and then slams any Republican candidate in 2024 will also try to steal an election and not concede defeat. He didn't mention DeSantis directly but that was a pretty low blow.
That comes close to a Reichstag Fire Decree.
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aggiehawg said:

Well this went sideways.

Former Judge Luttig just called Trump a "clear and present danger" and then slams any Republican candidate in 2024 will also try to steal an election and not concede defeat. He didn't mention DeSantis directly but that was a pretty low blow.

That's some weapons grade judicial temperament right there!
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Rapier108 said:

aggiehawg said:

Well this went sideways.

Former Judge Luttig just called Trump a "clear and present danger" and then slams any Republican candidate in 2024 will also try to steal an election and not concede defeat. He didn't mention DeSantis directly but that was a pretty low blow.
That comes close to a Reichstag Fire Decree.
I mean I knew Luttig was advising Pence about the Electoral Count Act back then and took great exception to Eastman's legal analysis but that was just a very dumb thing to say.

Under Brandenberg v. Ohio, Trump's words do not pass the two prong test for incitement. Luttig knows that but he decided to chill Trump's first amendment right to free speech by using that precise language of "clear and present danger." Suggesting a presidential finding alone can ban Trump, or anyone close to him or aligned with his policies from running in 2024.
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aggiehawg said:

Well this went sideways.

Former Judge Luttig just called Trump a "clear and present danger" and then slams any Republican candidate in 2024 will also try to steal an election and not concede defeat. He didn't mention DeSantis directly but that was a pretty low blow.

That was a very short interview with him saying the same stuff he did in his OpEd. He did not say "any Republican candidate." He said Trump or his "anointed successor." Do you think Trump would anoint DeSantis?

The Greg Jacob interview was much more interesting with his testimony about his meeting with Pence, Eastman and Trump, where Eastman proposed two ways for Pence to reject the legitimate electors and conceding that his legal arguments are unlawful but he and Trump continued to pressure Pence to proceed with their plan anyway.
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