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The committee's witnesses are made up of Trump's own cabinet, campaign heads, and supporters.

Bill Stepien - campaign manager
Jason Miller - campaign senior advisor
Bill Barr - US AG
BJay Pak - US AG for Atlanta
Jared Kushner
Ivanka

All of whom confirmed Trump was making up his Big Lie of election fraud.

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This.

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Carolin_Gallego said:

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The committee's witnesses are made up of Trump's own cabinet, campaign heads, and supporters.

Bill Stepien - campaign manager
Jason Miller - campaign senior advisor
Bill Barr - US AG
BJay Pak - US AG for Atlanta
Jared Kushner
Ivanka

All of whom confirmed Trump was making up his Big Lie of election fraud.

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This.

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And this.

NEW: Jan. 6 committee establishes the Trump campaign was a complete grift — they raised $250 million after the election for the “Official Election Defense Fund” which did not exist and the money instead went to Trump hotels and his own Save America PAC

— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) June 13, 2022

I love the precedent set by congress doing whatever it takes to thwart lying politicians and campaigning on lies. Looking forward to more. When is Obama getting indicted for his keep your doctor lie?

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The evidence is pretty overwhelming at this point…

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Evidence of what?

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Him lying about people dying. Staff continues to allow it

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The best way to alert everyone to the identity of a fool is to let that person keep talking. They'll make it clear how foolish they are themselves.

What legislative remedy is this hearing researching for that makes it lawful?

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I love the precedent set by congress doing whatever it takes to thwart lying politicians and campaigning on lies. Looking forward to more. When is Obama getting indicted for his keep your doctor lie?

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This is only step one in the "seven-part plan" the committee is laying out in their hearings. Your comment implies acceptance of step one. That is good.

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President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information to the American public claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.

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Read the official election thread, it's full of information if you really want to know. I'm not doing your homework for you. I don't for a second believe that you are arguing in good faith.

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Oh I watched the first two committee hearings. People who even dare to doubt now are experiencing a level of cognitive dissonance bordering on clinical.

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So that makes you some kind of expert? This has all been known and debated since the start, and it was known what the narrative trying to be spun a year and a half ago. The highlighted part made me laugh, that you really think you are all knowing now.

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If any thinking person watched them there is no other conclusion they could come to unless they are lying to themselves.

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This is a committee made up of Democrats and Trump hating Republicans and the hearings were produced by a DNC propaganda outlet. They can craft a message to make it look like whatever they want. Any "thinking person" would recognize propaganda and a one sided show trial when they see it. This is Norko dear leader level propaganda. The election was conducted in highly unprecedented, unsecure and extremely shady methods (especially in the urban areas of swing states) and there's no covering that up. Nor can they cover up the hypocrisy of the Democrats crocodile tears for 1/6 while ignoring the swath of death and destruction caused by left wing rioters in 2020. You have to be a troll, there's no way you're on this site and as poorly informed as you appear based on your posts.

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Except none of that is true. No real credible election expert or official agrees with you. There is no grand conspiracy. All of these officials aren't lying. Your rhetoric is similar to those who questioned the patriotism or honesty of the individuals on The Warren Commission.

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So we didn't have mass mail in ballots, unsecured drop boxes, illegal election law changes, and organizations like CTCL that donated more money per urban voter than rural voters in swing states with clawback provisions dictating the handling of the election? How about news organizations and social media companies suppressing negative stories about Biden while promoting stories about Trump they knew were untrue? All of those are verifiable facts and no credible election expert would disagree. Anyone solely relying on Trump or his organization to provide them with information about the election is a low information voter. Your assumption that claims of election fraud were dependent on Trump's claims show how poorly informed you really are. Your primary source of information is a committee made up exclusively of habitual liars and scum bags.

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What legislative remedy is this hearing researching for that makes it lawful?

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Good question.

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SEC. 3. PURPOSES.
Consistent with the functions described in section 4, the purposes of the Select Committee are the following:
(1) To investigate and report upon the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to the January 6, 2021, domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex (hereafter referred to as the "domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol") and relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power, including facts and causes relating to the preparedness and response of the United States Capitol Police and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region and other instrumentalities of government, as well as the influencing factors that fomented such an attack on American representative democracy while engaged in a constitutional process.
(2) To examine and evaluate evidence developed by relevant Federal, State, and local governmental agencies regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and targeted violence and domestic terrorism relevant to such terrorist attack.
(3) To build upon the investigations of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication of efforts by reviewing the investigations, findings, conclusions, and recommendations of other executive branch, congressional, or independent bipartisan or nonpartisan commission investigations into the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol, including investigations into influencing factors related to such attack.
SEC. 4. FUNCTIONS.
(a) Functions.The functions of the Select Committee are to
(1) investigate the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol, including facts and circumstances relating to
(A) activities of intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, and the Armed Forces, including with respect to intelligence collection, analysis, and dissemination and information sharing among the branches and other instrumentalities of government;
(B) influencing factors that contributed to the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and how technology, including online platforms, financing, and malign foreign influence operations and campaigns may have factored into the motivation, organization, and execution of the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol; and
(C) other entities of the public and private sector as determined relevant by the Select Committee for such investigation;
(2) identify, review, and evaluate the causes of and the lessons learned from the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol regarding
(A) the command, control, and communications of the United States Capitol Police, the Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region on or before January 6, 2021;
(B) the structure, coordination, operational plans, policies, and procedures of the Federal Government, including as such relate to State and local governments and nongovernmental entities, and particularly with respect to detecting, preventing, preparing for, and responding to targeted violence and domestic terrorism;
(C) the structure, authorities, training, manpower utilization, equipment, operational planning, and use of force policies of the United States Capitol Police;
(D) the policies, protocols, processes, procedures, and systems for the sharing of intelligence and other information by Federal, State, and local agencies with the United States Capitol Police, the Sergeants at Arms of the House of Representatives and Senate, the Government of the District of Columbia, including the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, the National Guard, and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region on or before January 6, 2021, and the related policies, protocols, processes, procedures, and systems for monitoring, assessing, disseminating, and acting on intelligence and other information, including elevating the security posture of the United States Capitol Complex, derived from instrumentalities of government, open sources, and online platforms; and
(E) the policies, protocols, processes, procedures, and systems for interoperability between the United States Capitol Police and the National Guard, the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region on or before January 6, 2021; and
(3) issue a final report to the House containing such findings, conclusions, and recommendations for corrective measures described in subsection (c) as it may deem necessary.
(b) Reports.
(1) INTERIM REPORTS.In addition to the final report addressing the matters in subsection (a) and section 3, the Select Committee may report to the House or any committee of the House from time to time the results of its investigations, together with such detailed findings and legislative recommendations as it may deem advisable.
(2) TREATMENT OF CLASSIFIED OR LAW ENFORCEMENT-SENSITIVE MATTER.Any report issued by the Select Committee shall be issued in unclassified form but may include a classified annex, a law enforcement-sensitive annex, or both.
(c) Corrective Measures Described.The corrective measures described in this subsection may include changes in law, policy, procedures, rules, or regulations that could be taken
(1) to prevent future acts of violence, domestic terrorism, and domestic violent extremism, including acts targeted at American democratic institutions;
(2) to improve the security posture of the United States Capitol Complex while preserving accessibility of the Capitol Complex for all Americans; and
(3) to strengthen the security and resilience of the United States and American democratic institutions against violence, domestic terrorism, and domestic violent extremism.
(d) No Markup Of Legislation Permitted.The Select Committee may not hold a markup of legislation.

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So? So did the Dems with Russian collision. It was so bad that certain posters changed usernames.

Gosh they just postponed tomorrows committee meeting. I guess they're slowly figuring out they're ******* in the wind.

But they aren't pressing for any charges. Just a dog and pony show. They get to keep the lie about police officers dying alive and people like Lot and Keef believe it.

Really? Why did they postpone

They're not saying. Just announced it.

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Really? Why did they postpone

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Last second script edits would be my guess. Teleprompters don't propagate content themselves.

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Read the official election thread, it's full of information if you really want to know. I'm not doing your homework for you. I don't for a second believe that you are arguing in good faith.

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Oh I watched the first two committee hearings. People who even dare to doubt now are experiencing a level of cognitive dissonance bordering on clinical.

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So that makes you some kind of expert? This has all been known and debated since the start, and it was known what the narrative trying to be spun a year and a half ago. The highlighted part made me laugh, that you really think you are all knowing now.

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If any thinking person watched them there is no other conclusion they could come to unless they are lying to themselves.

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This is a committee made up of Democrats and Trump hating Republicans and the hearings were produced by a DNC propaganda outlet. They can craft a message to make it look like whatever they want. Any "thinking person" would recognize propaganda and a one sided show trial when they see it. This is Norko dear leader level propaganda. The election was conducted in highly unprecedented, unsecure and extremely shady methods (especially in the urban areas of swing states) and there's no covering that up. Nor can they cover up the hypocrisy of the Democrats crocodile tears for 1/6 while ignoring the swath of death and destruction caused by left wing rioters in 2020. You have to be a troll, there's no way you're on this site and as poorly informed as you appear based on your posts.

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Except none of that is true. No real credible election expert or official agrees with you. There is no grand conspiracy. All of these officials aren't lying. Your rhetoric is similar to those who questioned the patriotism or honesty of the individuals on The Warren Commission.

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So we didn't have mass mail in ballots, unsecured drop boxes, illegal election law changes, and organizations like CTCL that donated more money per urban voter than rural voters in swing states with clawback provisions dictating the handling of the election? How about news organizations and social media companies suppressing negative stories about Biden while promoting stories about Trump they knew were untrue? All of those are verifiable facts and no credible election expert would disagree. Anyone solely relying on Trump or his organization to provide them with information about the election is a low information voter. Your assumption that claims of election fraud were dependent on Trump's claims show how poorly informed you really are. Your primary source of information is a committee made up exclusively of habitual liars and scum bags.

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This was addressed specifically in the hearings. Mail in ballots being counted later is typical. You have no idea what you are talking about and you have yet to provide any evidence for your claims. If you want to see what happened, make a cocktail/coffee and watch the committee hearings. The witnesses are Trumps children and his cabinet.

They lose any and all credibility the instant they refer to a riot as a "domestic terrorist attack". How can you not see that they people are lying and grossly exaggerating the circumstances? These people were in the wrong and broke the law, but to call them domestic terrorist is a little bit of a stretch. If you consider their actions to be domestic terrorism and you don't consider the actions of BLM and Antifa domestic terrorism, then you are a hypocrite.

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They lose any and all credibility the instant they refer to a riot as a "domestic terrorist attack". How can you not see that they people are lying and grossly exaggerating the circumstances? These people were in the wrong and broke the law, but to call them domestic terrorist is a little bit of a stretch. If you consider their actions to be domestic terrorism and you don't consider the actions of BLM and Antifa domestic terrorism, then you are a hypocrite.

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We aren't talking about antifa and blm. Please stay on topic and quit trying to derail the thread.

You mean he is lying like you?

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Really? Why did they postpone

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Carolin is frantically trying to come up with a good excuse.

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You mean he is lying like you?

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Haha I am not lying about anything. Watch the hearings. I guess you could accuse ivanka and Jared and Trumps cabinet of lying as well.

LOL. Committee has canceled their Wednesday session and re-scheduled for Thursday (tentatively).

Not sure what that truly means. Could be they were tipped off that Dobbs will be released on Wednesday and they don't want to be drowned out. Could be the ratings are so bad that the networks are balking. Maybe a witness issue?

Anyway, having a TV news producer scripting the hearings is back firing, bigly. Instead of dropping the big gotcha right up front, they just kept hinting that they have one coming, so stay tuned. American public was quickly bored and refused.

You stated people died that's a lie. Others, not sure if it was you and can't check because staff deleted, stated police officers died. Also a lie.

That would cover it. It is ostensibly for purposes of corrective legislation, or at least it has that plausible cover. That's not unusual for a congressional hearing from either side. They seem to have ignored a lot of the things they claim to be reviewing. I don't see a lot of key players in the events of the day having been called in for deposition in all these long months of this committee.

Random question, but how can congress prove mens rea if their own police force opened the door to the protestors to enter? If they can't, it wasn't a crowd of terrorist but a crowd possibly with terrorists in it. If that is true, then the left doesn't have much. At all.

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You stated people died that's a lie. Others, not sure if it was you and can't check because staff deleted, stated police officers died. Also a lie.

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https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

Most of those are the day after or later. The police did not die because of this. Keep up the good lie. One person was shot and killed. An unarmed person. Before you say she deserves it I agree. I am all for shooting trespassers and wish we would have done it before that day.

BREAKING: Jan. 6 committee postpones Wednesday hearing without explanationhttps://t.co/Oz6inqH8a9

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 14, 2022

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Random question, but how can congress prove mens rea if their own police force opened the door to the protestors to enter? If they can't, it wasn't a crowd of terrorist but a crowd possibly with terrorists in it. If that is true, then the left doesn't have much. At all.

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They can't.

Unless there is some rando like Alexander Butterfield to reveal a secret White House taping system like in Watergate catching Trump talking in the Oval on January 6th, there's not a lot to go on.

Early on, some reporters tried to make a big deal about the White House switchboard not showing a lot of calls on Jan 6th. But Trump doesn't use the landlines often anyway, so that fizzled.

Lol. They are disappointing Keef and Lot.

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Most of those are the day after or later. The police did not die because of this. Keep up the good lie. One person was shot and killed. An unarmed person. Before you say she deserves it I agree. I am all for shooting trespassers and wish we would have done it before that day.

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Even one death was too many. Not sure what your point is other than you don't have one so you keep coming back to this in hopes of trying to get me banned.

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Read the official election thread, it's full of information if you really want to know. I'm not doing your homework for you. I don't for a second believe that you are arguing in good faith.

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Oh I watched the first two committee hearings. People who even dare to doubt now are experiencing a level of cognitive dissonance bordering on clinical.

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So that makes you some kind of expert? This has all been known and debated since the start, and it was known what the narrative trying to be spun a year and a half ago. The highlighted part made me laugh, that you really think you are all knowing now.

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If any thinking person watched them there is no other conclusion they could come to unless they are lying to themselves.

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This is a committee made up of Democrats and Trump hating Republicans and the hearings were produced by a DNC propaganda outlet. They can craft a message to make it look like whatever they want. Any "thinking person" would recognize propaganda and a one sided show trial when they see it. This is Norko dear leader level propaganda. The election was conducted in highly unprecedented, unsecure and extremely shady methods (especially in the urban areas of swing states) and there's no covering that up. Nor can they cover up the hypocrisy of the Democrats crocodile tears for 1/6 while ignoring the swath of death and destruction caused by left wing rioters in 2020. You have to be a troll, there's no way you're on this site and as poorly informed as you appear based on your posts.

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Except none of that is true. No real credible election expert or official agrees with you. There is no grand conspiracy. All of these officials aren't lying. Your rhetoric is similar to those who questioned the patriotism or honesty of the individuals on The Warren Commission.

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So we didn't have mass mail in ballots, unsecured drop boxes, illegal election law changes, and organizations like CTCL that donated more money per urban voter than rural voters in swing states with clawback provisions dictating the handling of the election? How about news organizations and social media companies suppressing negative stories about Biden while promoting stories about Trump they knew were untrue? All of those are verifiable facts and no credible election expert would disagree. Anyone solely relying on Trump or his organization to provide them with information about the election is a low information voter. Your assumption that claims of election fraud were dependent on Trump's claims show how poorly informed you really are. Your primary source of information is a committee made up exclusively of habitual liars and scum bags.

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This was addressed specifically in the hearings. Mail in ballots being counted later is typical. You have no idea what you are talking about and you have yet to provide any evidence for your claims. If you want to see what happened, make a cocktail/coffee and watch the committee hearings. The witnesses are Trumps children and his cabinet.

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I've given you the source of evidence, but you're clearly too lazy to research it yourself. It's not my problem if you choose to remain ignorant, which is clearly the case. There's a lot more to ballot harvesting and box stuffing than counting late ballots.

Again everything that happened in this committee is a one sided portrayal of events and that includes questioning witnesses. If the Democrats wanted this committee to have ANY credibility then they shouldn't have rejected the Republican members that they knew would question their narratives. They didn't want a committee that used opposing sides to get to the bottom of the truth. They wanted a show trial using selected members of congress that could produce sound bytes to sway the minds of low information voters.

This committee is similar to a grand jury hearing where a prosecutor presents evidence without any rebuttal or even the presence of a defense attorney. It could be used to create an indictment but has not been scrutinized by opposition at all. A trial where exculpatory evidence can be produced by defense council and witnesses will likely tell a very different story.

Would you think you would be fairly portrayed if your greatest enemy got to put on a public hearing to tarnish your image using only their witnesses and their evidence, with no chance for you or your representations to rebut their claims or produce evidence and witnesses to counter their arguments? You know the answer to that question, is no, but you won't answer it or you'll try to spin it.

You won't get banned. You have bling. I am just pointing out that the lie that police officers died should stop.

You are right one is too many. Maybe the cops shouldn't have shot an unarmed person but like I said I have no problem with it. Just with Macys would have done that the other day. We need to start doing it.

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Sure, if you were willfully ignorant, and haven't read or watched any news source in the last decade.

Also, if you watch "Top Gun Maverick", there is no conclusion any thinking person could come to, other than that Tom Cruise is a Navy pilot