Sex Panther said:
Well that's insulting, I don't think I want to go anywhere that doesn't have nukes
Especially since Kendall just fudged his own numbers for Living+BowSowy said:
Big ****in realization that Gojo's numbers are false, holy crap. I was wondering if we'd get a shift in the power dynamic and it appears we have gotten it
Disagree. The whole episode set it up. Nate coming out of nowhere. Matsson coming in. Whole thing set in their house. I felt the entire episode led up to this complete implosion of Shiv's own making because she had been winning the past two episodes.Quinn said:
Probably going to be a minority opinion, but did the Tom-Shiv fight scene seem out of the flow of the story to anyone else? Obviously an amazingly written and acted scene, and it has been coming since pretty much their marriage might, but I dunno, I thought it was tagged onto the end of the episode. Could have used a little bit more leading up to it in the episode?
Anyways, still a fantastic episode. I feel like I did towards the end of Mad Men - I am happy to spend whatever time I can with these characters and will take what the writers give us. Seems like we'll get an Election Day episode and a Funeral episode. Not sure on the last one - maybe a deal closing/exiting episode?
Seersucker Ag 2011 said:
These writers have never had a 20 week pregnant wife.
And the audience knows it, but Tom does not. Her pregnancy is still lurking out there for these charactersHead Ninja In Charge said:
"Well, that's not very nice to say, is it?" is such a great line in this show. For all of the vile **** these characters have said to each other over four seasons, this is when you know someone might've crossed the line a little bit.
Proposition Joe said:
Great episode, but the entire Ebba character/storyline seems way too forced and existing as a deus ex machina.
We've got this behemoth tech company and in the final few episodes before the potential acquisition that there's this one highly disgruntled employee and though we've already established said employee is fine with being "hushed" with money/employment, she is still paraded around all of the people that her grievances could be the only thing that could legitimately screw up the deal.
It's one thing to have a scorned ex-lover try and ruin things, it's another thing to have a scorned ex-lover that you keep on the payroll... and you still allow to mingle with potential merger partners at a company retreat... and you admit to one of said merger partners you sent blood bricks to... and you bring along to a high profile party in NYC to mingle with potential merger partners and high status politicians... and you continue to push her buttons at said party... and then she gives up the key piece of info that would legitimately screw up the deal.
I know much of the show is about the kids not understanding their shortcomings and seeing their blindspots -- but they've made Mattson out to be extremely calculating and the Ebba storyline is the equivalent of the evil villain having the superhero tied up and letting him know his one fatal flaw since it doesn't matter as he walks away sure his henchmen will finish the job.
TCTTS said:Proposition Joe said:
Great episode, but the entire Ebba character/storyline seems way too forced and existing as a deus ex machina.
We've got this behemoth tech company and in the final few episodes before the potential acquisition that there's this one highly disgruntled employee and though we've already established said employee is fine with being "hushed" with money/employment, she is still paraded around all of the people that her grievances could be the only thing that could legitimately screw up the deal.
It's one thing to have a scorned ex-lover try and ruin things, it's another thing to have a scorned ex-lover that you keep on the payroll... and you still allow to mingle with potential merger partners at a company retreat... and you admit to one of said merger partners you sent blood bricks to... and you bring along to a high profile party in NYC to mingle with potential merger partners and high status politicians... and you continue to push her buttons at said party... and then she gives up the key piece of info that would legitimately screw up the deal.
I know much of the show is about the kids not understanding their shortcomings and seeing their blindspots -- but they've made Mattson out to be extremely calculating and the Ebba storyline is the equivalent of the evil villain having the superhero tied up and letting him know his one fatal flaw since it doesn't matter as he walks away sure his henchmen will finish the job.
To me that's kind of the point; that at the end of the day, as calculating as he's been, even Mattson is a clown. He's just as clumsy and craven and pridefully obtuse as the rest of them.
rynning said:
I was worried Tom was going to jump over the railing for a minute. Didn't think that was outside the realm of possibilities at this point.
TCTTS said:Proposition Joe said:
Great episode, but the entire Ebba character/storyline seems way too forced and existing as a deus ex machina.
We've got this behemoth tech company and in the final few episodes before the potential acquisition that there's this one highly disgruntled employee and though we've already established said employee is fine with being "hushed" with money/employment, she is still paraded around all of the people that her grievances could be the only thing that could legitimately screw up the deal.
It's one thing to have a scorned ex-lover try and ruin things, it's another thing to have a scorned ex-lover that you keep on the payroll... and you still allow to mingle with potential merger partners at a company retreat... and you admit to one of said merger partners you sent blood bricks to... and you bring along to a high profile party in NYC to mingle with potential merger partners and high status politicians... and you continue to push her buttons at said party... and then she gives up the key piece of info that would legitimately screw up the deal.
I know much of the show is about the kids not understanding their shortcomings and seeing their blindspots -- but they've made Mattson out to be extremely calculating and the Ebba storyline is the equivalent of the evil villain having the superhero tied up and letting him know his one fatal flaw since it doesn't matter as he walks away sure his henchmen will finish the job.
To me that's kind of the point; that at the end of the day, as calculating as he's been, even Mattson is a clown. He's just as clumsy and craven and pridefully obtuse as the rest of them.
rynning said:
I was worried Tom was going to jump over the railing for a minute. Didn't think that was outside the realm of possibilities at this point.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Hey guys just fyi, Tom is tired.
Quote:
- Connor's mutton-chop-wearing clown campaign manager, and Connor wanting North Korea
Ghost of Bisbee said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
Hey guys just fyi, Tom is tired.
Had me rolling! Great episode and phenomenal writing. That had to be fun figuring out how to put all those characters together in one setting.
My other favorites:
- Matsson calling Greg "Slim Reaper"
- Connor's mutton-chop-wearing clown campaign manager, and Connor wanting North Korea
- Greg trying to work his way into every relevant circle and failing on almost all counts
- I love that for the first time ever, Connor and Willa have leverage
Props to whoever it was who correctly theorized Gerri would threaten revealing the dick pics
And I also thought Tom was going to jump. Glad he didn't
No Karl or Hugo tonight. Strange
I was worried about Ebba actually when Ken and Roman went to talk to her...she seems like a ticking timebomb.rynning said:
I was worried Tom was going to jump over the railing for a minute. Didn't think that was outside the realm of possibilities at this point.
TCTTS said:Proposition Joe said:
Great episode, but the entire Ebba character/storyline seems way too forced and existing as a deus ex machina.
We've got this behemoth tech company and in the final few episodes before the potential acquisition that there's this one highly disgruntled employee and though we've already established said employee is fine with being "hushed" with money/employment, she is still paraded around all of the people that her grievances could be the only thing that could legitimately screw up the deal.
It's one thing to have a scorned ex-lover try and ruin things, it's another thing to have a scorned ex-lover that you keep on the payroll... and you still allow to mingle with potential merger partners at a company retreat... and you admit to one of said merger partners you sent blood bricks to... and you bring along to a high profile party in NYC to mingle with potential merger partners and high status politicians... and you continue to push her buttons at said party... and then she gives up the key piece of info that would legitimately screw up the deal.
I know much of the show is about the kids not understanding their shortcomings and seeing their blindspots -- but they've made Mattson out to be extremely calculating and the Ebba storyline is the equivalent of the evil villain having the superhero tied up and letting him know his one fatal flaw since it doesn't matter as he walks away sure his henchmen will finish the job.
To me that's kind of the point; that at the end of the day, as calculating as he's been, even Mattson is a clown. He's just as clumsy and craven and pridefully obtuse as the rest of them.
Great pull. I didn't know about that either. I wonder if that balcony scene was their dying in the river together moment, or if one of both will make it back from that. And with Tom's "you aren't fit to be a mother" line, I'm concerned about the baby making it to term.The Milkman said:
I had no idea the parable of the scorpion and the frog. Gives the meaning to Toms gift.
A scorpion asks a frog for a ride across the river. The frog replies "no, because you will sting me".
"Of course I won't, if I do, we'll both drown and die."
The frog is convinced and helps the scorpion, who of course stings the frog and they both die. Because it is in the scorpions nature to sting.
Wife and I were both thinking Tom and Shiv were reconciling and getting back together...and then THAT gift. Perfect chance for a heart felt something/something and then we are reminded again at how none of them have any heart just avarice.The Milkman said:
I had no idea the parable of the scorpion and the frog. Gives the meaning to Toms gift.
A scorpion asks a frog for a ride across the river. The frog replies "no, because you will sting me".
"Of course I won't, if I do, we'll both drown and die."
The frog is convinced and helps the scorpion, who of course stings the frog and they both die. Because it is in the scorpions nature to sting.
Hmmmm...we haven't seen Marcia in a couple of episodes...Max Power said:
I love that we're getting close to the end and just about everything is on the table. I do think there's a shock coming in the form of Logan's will that completely turns everything sideways.
The funeral episode will be the GOAT episode of the series. Calling it.k20dub said:Hmmmm...we haven't seen Marcia in a couple of episodes...Max Power said:
I love that we're getting close to the end and just about everything is on the table. I do think there's a shock coming in the form of Logan's will that completely turns everything sideways.
