Definitely missed a few connections. Gonna have to rewatch s2 e1 before I watch tonight's episode
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Good opener.
Gus Fring
Actors from Fargo and Breaking Bad, my two favorite series
Overall better episode than episode 1 but there's still something missing. I find myself infinitely more intrigued with events in the past than ones in the current timeline (which isn't good).
The retirement party for Delos - was this after the William/Logan timeline of season 1?
For whatever reason, I had assumed Logan had died when William put him naked on that horse.
So any thoughts on what the weapon is? Something to do with the flood?
For whatever reason, I had assumed Logan had died when William put him naked on that horse.
So any thoughts on what the weapon is? Something to do with the flood?
Has to be after. William is taking over for the old man and Logan has needle tracks. William broke him.
He call the weapon his "greatest mistake", whatever it was.
ChiliBeans said:
Has to be after. William is taking over for the old man and Logan has needle tracks. William broke him.
And william of that time knows all about the park and apparently things like data collection, etc. as he sells the elder Delos on it.
William of S1 knew nothing going into the park.
That was one of my favorite episodes of TV Ive seen in a long time.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
The retirement party for Delos - was this after the William/Logan timeline of season 1?
For whatever reason, I had assumed Logan had died when William put him naked on that horse.
So any thoughts on what the weapon is? Something to do with the flood?
I think the weapon is the data that Delos has been collecting. I figured Logan was dead as well, but I guess black hat William continued to own him in the real world as well. From season one it's not hard to see him becoming self destructive.
Good episode. I don't love the idea that the whole season will be the two week interlude, but I love all the backstory stuff
We don't know that yet. They could surprise us by breaking stride and going straight forward at some point. It's strongly suggested that we're finding out what Delos is really about, and I think they'd have to come back to the "present" reactions and the rest of the world finding out what went down.Quote:
I don't love the idea that the whole season will be the two week interlude
True. The after credits stuff teased a lot of "present", but we'll see.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
The retirement party for Delos - was this after the William/Logan timeline of season 1?
For whatever reason, I had assumed Logan had died when William put him naked on that horse.
So any thoughts on what the weapon is? Something to do with the flood?
Yep, this was after his visit to the park and shows how he became Delos' heir. Logan didn't die, but apparently he self destructed after they left the park since WIlliam pushed him out.
A phenomenal breakdown of tonight's episode below.
Man, I love where this is heading. I found the flashbacks so incredibly compelling - more so than the "two weeks ago" timeline at first - but the reveal of the weapon conceit was so well handled and just so damn cool, that I'm more in on that timeline now than ever. Whatever it is, William built it and showed it to Delores. Now he's in a race to destroy it while she's making her way to use it. That's ****ing awesome.
Each of these two episodes this season have felt like movies unto themselves with revelations at the end we'd normally have to wait years to answer before the sequels. But here, we only have to wait a week for answers... and more questions, of course... but in the best way.
I love this show so much.
Man, I love where this is heading. I found the flashbacks so incredibly compelling - more so than the "two weeks ago" timeline at first - but the reveal of the weapon conceit was so well handled and just so damn cool, that I'm more in on that timeline now than ever. Whatever it is, William built it and showed it to Delores. Now he's in a race to destroy it while she's making her way to use it. That's ****ing awesome.
Each of these two episodes this season have felt like movies unto themselves with revelations at the end we'd normally have to wait years to answer before the sequels. But here, we only have to wait a week for answers... and more questions, of course... but in the best way.
I love this show so much.
Also, it was a great touch to have Logan in shock at the tech and specifically say that no one else was even close to doing anything that advanced. Helps a bit if that really was 2017ish.
amercer said:
I think the weapon is the data that Delos has been collecting.
Agreed.
I'll wrap further speculation in spoiler tags, just since I don't quite know the rules for this thread yet.
And I bet they are converging on the data center that Bernard and Charlotte went to, which is probably the construction that young William showed Delores
That said, while the cityscape in the beginning featured a shot of modern-day LA (when Arnold and Delores are outside at night walking across that bridge), none of the other cityscape shots in latter flashbacks looked anything like LA. I took a few screenshots in HBO Go, only to discovered that they're blacked out when saved, but it wasn't a city I recognized at all. Almost like a futuristic Dubai/New York/San Diego hybrid with a cityscape right on the ocean. The only think that might come close is Hong Kong, but I don't think that was it. Though, Arnold and Delores walk by a very prominently featured Chinese restaurant, and the man Logan is first talking to in that restaurant looks to be Chinese as well. I'm only pointing all this out because if it's not a recognizable city, it must be one in the future, which wouldn't place Arnold and Robert's initial work in 2017, as has been hinted.
Also, do you guys think that's the last we see of young William/Logan for a while, if not ever? The trailers haven't featured any other shots with them as far as I can recall, but I'm wondering if there's still more of young William showing Delores the weapon.
Have you ever seen anything so full of splendor?TCTTS said:
it wasn't a city I recognized at all. Almost like a futuristic Dubai/New York/San Diego hybrid with a cityscape right on the ocean.
TCTTS said:
That said, while the cityscape in the beginning featured a shot of modern-day LA (when Arnold and Delores are outside at night walking across that bridge), none of the other cityscape shots in latter flashbacks looked anything like LA. I took a few screenshots in HBO Go, only to discovered that they're blacked out when saved, but it wasn't a city I recognized at all. Almost like a futuristic Dubai/New York/San Diego hybrid with a cityscape right on the ocean. The only think that might come close is Hong Kong, but I don't think that was it. Though, Arnold and Delores walk by a very prominently featured Chinese restaurant, and the man Logan is first talking to in that restaurant looks to be Chinese as well. I'm only pointing all this out because if it's not a recognizable city, it must be one in the future, which wouldn't place Arnold and Robert's initial work in 2017, as has been hinted.
Based on context clues from the prior episode, I don't think they are on continental US. Remeber Arnold specifically showed Dolores his new home and how he wants to be close to "both worlds" (his family world and Westworld). In e01, we have some inclination to believe Westworld is close to a Chinese territory. I could see that city being a futuristic Hong Kong or somewhere in the East China Sea.
TCTTS said:
Also, do you guys think that's the last we see of young William/Logan for a while, if not ever? The trailers haven't featured any other shots with them as far as I can recall, but I'm wondering if there's still more of young William showing Delores the weapon.
I'm not ready to write them off but it does seem like they've played their purpose. We know how William rises to power, we see it was his vision to use guest DNA for other purposes, and we know Logan survived his bareback excursion to fall into what he's become. The only thread of plot still left hanging (that was also just introduced) is William's child. I didn't think we knew he had kids before, right? I'm curious to see what's become of her in the 30+ years.
I'm pretty sure it was the Corpus skyline, viewed from across the bay.
I lived in Corpus with my brother. We were always on the run.
Makes you think.
Makes you think.
I thought in season 1, old William mentioned he came back to the park in part because his wife killed herself and her daughter blamed him and wants nothing to do with him. I can't remember if this was something he told Robert or something he told Teddy while they were traveling, but I think he told someone.M.C. Swag said:TCTTS said:
Also, do you guys think that's the last we see of young William/Logan for a while, if not ever? The trailers haven't featured any other shots with them as far as I can recall, but I'm wondering if there's still more of young William showing Delores the weapon.
I'm not ready to write them off but it does seem like they've played their purpose. We know how William rises to power, we see it was his vision to use guest DNA for other purposes, and we know Logan survived his bareback excursion to fall into what he's become. The only thread of plot still left hanging (that was also just introduced) is William's child. I didn't think we knew he had kids before, right? I'm curious to see what's become of her in the 30+ years.
DartAg1970 said:I thought in season 1, old William mentioned he came back to the park in part because his wife killed herself and her daughter blamed him and wants nothing to do with him. I can't remember if this was something he told Robert or something he told Teddy while they were traveling, but I think he told someone.M.C. Swag said:TCTTS said:
Also, do you guys think that's the last we see of young William/Logan for a while, if not ever? The trailers haven't featured any other shots with them as far as I can recall, but I'm wondering if there's still more of young William showing Delores the weapon.
I'm not ready to write them off but it does seem like they've played their purpose. We know how William rises to power, we see it was his vision to use guest DNA for other purposes, and we know Logan survived his bareback excursion to fall into what he's become. The only thread of plot still left hanging (that was also just introduced) is William's child. I didn't think we knew he had kids before, right? I'm curious to see what's become of her in the 30+ years.
Gotcha, thanks. Did not remember that.
I loved the "F you, Robert" from William after all Lazo's men killed themselves
Really miss Hopkins, but that was an awesome episode
Malcolm52 said:
Really miss Hopkins, but that was an awesome episode
Was interesting how they worked in his voice at the party with Arnold. But it only made me wish it was really him.
MiB said that his wife took pills and drowned in the bathtub and his daughter blamed him for it.
They did make it a point to say Williams daughter's name (Emily) in a way that stood out. I'm sure we'll finally meet the adult version of her eventually.
So the girl Logan met at the party, the same girl William met when he first arrived at WW, is real or is a host? I thought she was a host, and specifically the "other girl" that Ford told Arnold to go with when Arnold was with Delores in the beginning of the episode, but I couldn't really understand the look she gave Delores as she was getting dressed after the sexbot orgy. Seemed like there was some subtext there between them that didn't really make sense to me if they were both hosts. Almost like the girl was jealous, and Delores was just confused.
MW03 said:
So the girl Logan met at the party, the same girl William met when he first arrived at WW, is real or is a host? I thought she was a host, and specifically the "other girl" that Ford told Arnold to go with when Arnold was with Delores in the beginning of the episode, but I couldn't really understand the look she gave Delores as she was getting dressed after the sexbot orgy. Seemed like there was some subtext there between them that didn't really make sense to me if they were both hosts. Almost like the girl was jealous, and Delores was just confused.
Host. Shes currently with Delores killing guests.
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