Rashford plays for Man u one of the biggest club/s in the world..He should be counted to hit a PK in a shoot out, not sure how good of a guy he is has to do with it?jeffk said:
Feel for Rashford too. A legitimately great human being.
Rashford plays for Man u one of the biggest club/s in the world..He should be counted to hit a PK in a shoot out, not sure how good of a guy he is has to do with it?jeffk said:
Feel for Rashford too. A legitimately great human being.
Fairview20 said:
I have very limited knowledge of soccer, but would think taking a PK would be similar to shooting a free throw in terms of pre shot build up. Find a routine that works and stick with it. I've watched Kane take PKs quite a bit with Tottenham and he has the same run up/cadence every time. Like others have said I think Rashford overthought it and missed his mark as a result.
He's paid handsomely for the job he does, part of that is having a thick skin when it comes to people criticizing his performance.MB19 said:Which is a load of rubbish. The kid stepped up when called upon. I'll bet the overwhelming majority of those attacking him aren't using their real names-the cowards.wangus12 said:
Same with Sterling I guess. But Saka has never taken a professional match. To have him take the 5th with 55 years of national frustration on the line. His social media has already become a hellscape of racism and hateful remarks
Onceaggie2.0 said:Rashford plays for Man u one of the biggest club/s in the world..He should be counted to hit a PK in a shoot out, not sure how good of a guy he is has to do with it?jeffk said:
Feel for Rashford too. A legitimately great human being.
You're coming dangerously close to calling angry English fans racists. Do not paint the angry English fans as being racist or some such garbage. Those players **** the bed. They're professionals at the highest level, the blame is on them and their coach, but mostly on them for getting cute doing some stupid stutter step silliness.oragator said:
I took the PKs for my traveling team and made them all in the run of play. The only time we went to PKs was my only miss, it's just a completely different feel (wide left, I can still see it), Then add the pressure those England guys were under with their history, the fact that two of them were barely off the bench etc, and it was a tough spot.
But I knew as soon as the match was over that ugliness was coming between the frustration of another PK loss and who had the misses. Some really sad and angry people in this world.
aggiephoenix02 said:You're coming dangerously close to calling angry English fans racists. Do not paint the angry English fans as being racist or some such garbage. Those players **** the bed. They're professionals at the highest level, the blame is on them and their coach, but mostly on them for getting cute doing some stupid stutter step silliness.oragator said:
I took the PKs for my traveling team and made them all in the run of play. The only time we went to PKs was my only miss, it's just a completely different feel (wide left, I can still see it), Then add the pressure those England guys were under with their history, the fact that two of them were barely off the bench etc, and it was a tough spot.
But I knew as soon as the match was over that ugliness was coming between the frustration of another PK loss and who had the misses. Some really sad and angry people in this world.
If they smashed the ball and it was deflected there would be a different reaction, but they got cute and are rightfully being called out as the fools they are...
Man - at the end of the day it's a fugging game. To get so worked up over an individual you don't even know over a game is ridiculous.aggiephoenix02 said:He's paid handsomely for the job he does, part of that is having a thick skin when it comes to people criticizing his performance.MB19 said:Which is a load of rubbish. The kid stepped up when called upon. I'll bet the overwhelming majority of those attacking him aren't using their real names-the cowards.wangus12 said:
Same with Sterling I guess. But Saka has never taken a professional match. To have him take the 5th with 55 years of national frustration on the line. His social media has already become a hellscape of racism and hateful remarks
He didn't perform on the biggest stage... if he can't handle the criticism then F' that dude. Being a gifted, talented, rich, young & handsome person who is paid millions to play a game should be enough, if he can't handle the blowback when things aren't on the sunny side then he needs to find another profession...
I stopped missing my pks when I just decided I was going to go left every time as a left footed person. Crossing your body increases your chance of missing (ala Rashford).oragator said:
I took the PKs for my traveling team and made them all in the run of play. The only time we went to PKs was my only miss, it's just a completely different feel (wide left, I can still see it), Then add the pressure those England guys were under with their history, the fact that two of them were barely off the bench etc, and it was a tough spot.
But I knew as soon as the match was over that ugliness was coming between the frustration of another PK loss and who had the misses. Some really sad and angry people in this world.
I get that, one hundred percent. To be completely honest, Fran is what did it for me.TheMasterplan said:Man - at the end of the day it's a fugging game. To get so worked up over an individual you don't even know over a game is ridiculous.aggiephoenix02 said:He's paid handsomely for the job he does, part of that is having a thick skin when it comes to people criticizing his performance.MB19 said:Which is a load of rubbish. The kid stepped up when called upon. I'll bet the overwhelming majority of those attacking him aren't using their real names-the cowards.wangus12 said:
Same with Sterling I guess. But Saka has never taken a professional match. To have him take the 5th with 55 years of national frustration on the line. His social media has already become a hellscape of racism and hateful remarks
He didn't perform on the biggest stage... if he can't handle the criticism then F' that dude. Being a gifted, talented, rich, young & handsome person who is paid millions to play a game should be enough, if he can't handle the blowback when things aren't on the sunny side then he needs to find another profession...
I did some serious self-analysis after USA failed to make the WC. I couldn't sleep that night because of it. I realized how dumb that was to get so worked up and have managed to just see what sports for what they are - entertainment. It's nothing to get worked up over.
Are you a keeper? I only ask because I am, and I completely disagree with you and how you view and approach PKs...Dre_00 said:
Imagine being a person who gets so angry at...penalty kicks. The sporting act that is literally called "a lottery". Yes there are good PKs and bad PKs but by far the primary determinant of whether it was good or bad is whether or not it goes in. Now imagine getting so angry at losing on penalty kicks...in your team's first final in 55 years. I mean everyone is entitled to their own emotion but I can comfortably say that I have no desire to know the person who gets so livid in such a circumstance.
And people who clown on the stutter step approach or say just "smash it in" confuse the ever living hell out of me because of the fact that PKs are as much mental as they are about execution. There are effectively 2 different types of good penalty takers. Ones who can put it in any corner they want with power and ones who succeed by making it mental and getting the goalie to commit before they choose their side.
Rashford isn't an amazing finisher. His chances of being able to pick a corner on a consistent basis are low. So he often tries to get the goalie to commit before selecting a side and in that instance, a stutter step approach makes a lot of sense. He actually succeeded with the first part of the execution. He got Donnarumma to commit before he had to shoot. He just failed miserably at the last half of the equation. I actually think Sancho's and Saka's PKs were much worse. They went for the first option but they were nowhere near close enough to a corner to succeed and they were at a very easy height for the goalie.
jeffk said:
I've actually attended some really good development sessions on penalty kicks over the years. Confidence is huge but I think a lot hinges on having a plan and then sticking with it regardless of what you see once you approach the ball. And obviously being technically precise enough to execute that plan under pressure.
If anything, I'd blame Rashford the most seeing as he just missed. Saka and Sancho had poor penalties but at least forced a saveaTmAg said:
Are idiot English fans blaming Saka more than that other 2 because he happened to go last?
If so, then that's even more moronic.
This. My club coach 20 years ago growing up didn't let us mess around. If you tried any of the stutter stuff, that was the last time you took a kick. We were taught to pick our spot and strike it with confidence. He told us to never even bother looking at the goalie. It is very much mental, but I knew where I was going every time. Top left corner with my right.birdman said:jeffk said:
I've actually attended some really good development sessions on penalty kicks over the years. Confidence is huge but I think a lot hinges on having a plan and then sticking with it regardless of what you see once you approach the ball. And obviously being technically precise enough to execute that plan under pressure.
Confidence and sticking to a plan. That's what I meant and phrased better.
I believe as long as you're continuously moving toward the ball you're good. Even some of the worst offenders I saw were still moving toward the ball when they replayed it on slow motion.PatAg said:
You can learn to not reveal what side you are going to, of course. THere is definite gamesmanship going on, even when you are just picking your spot and putting the ball there.
I would like for the refs to actually start enforcing the natural approach rule, or however it is phrased. I'm fairly confident you arent supposed to be allowed to stutter step, or completely stop like a lot of players do.
OK yes but...stutter stepping and trying to get the keeper to commit is in fact a plan. And maybe that's the big disconnect here. It comes off as lacking confidence or it comes off as being nervous. But it absolutely doesn't mean that.jeffk said:
I've actually attended some really good development sessions on penalty kicks over the years. Confidence is huge but I think a lot hinges on having a plan and then sticking with it regardless of what you see once you approach the ball. And obviously being technically precise enough to execute that plan under pressure.