ThanksCounterpoint said:He ran out to meet the shoplifter and told her she wasn't getting the scholarship. That she never was, that the system was rigged, and that one mistake was going to follow her for her whole life. But she was still going to win and cut corners and kick ass, etc. Basically he was saying how he felt about himself.aTmAg said:
So a thunderstorm cut off my satellite for a period in the middle. Basically it was the scene after Jimmy tried to convince HHM to consider the shop lifter all the way until the next commercial. What did I miss?
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Gale is not in construction. I think Gus just wanted to show him the progress. They will obviously need to bring in a new crew to finish, Which would help explain the timeline gap between now and when Walt finally starts to cook for Gus in the new lab.Ag_07 said:
One thing I'm hung up on...
Is it a safe assumption that Gail will be finishing the lab?
If so why wouldn't Gus just have used him in the beginning?
Seeing more of Chuck just confirms to me he was the real ahole of the two brothers, not Jimmy. Or at least just as bad.
Jimmy's speech to the board didn't really speak highly of Chuck, except as a lawyer. "He's a great lawyer, but a piece of crap everywhere else."
Glad he's gone.
And I always liked Squiggy better.
Jimmy's speech to the board didn't really speak highly of Chuck, except as a lawyer. "He's a great lawyer, but a piece of crap everywhere else."
Glad he's gone.
And I always liked Squiggy better.
Lalo is like the anti-Mike. Hardcore, bright, thorough, but pure evil. Lalo didn't have to kill the clerk, but he did. Mike didn't want to kill Werner, but he had to.
I look forward to the storyline between these two characters
I look forward to the storyline between these two characters
Quote:I was hoping he'd sing "Big Bottom" in the karaoke bar. And I disagree, they both are aholes, but Chuck took care of his drunk brother later that karaoke night.Quote:
Seeing more of Chuck just confirms to me he was the real ahole of the two brothers, not Jimmy. Or at least just as bad.
Jimmy's speech to the board didn't really speak highly of Chuck, except as a lawyer. "He's a great lawyer, but a piece of crap everywhere else."
Glad he's gone.
And I always liked Squiggy better
Gale was going to be Gus's original meth cooker for the underground lab.. but then Walt's pure blue meth was discovered and Gus wanted Walt to run the lab with Gale as assistant.Junkhead said:Gale is not in construction. I think Gus just wanted to show him the progress. They will obviously need to bring in a new crew to finish, Which would help explain the timeline gap between now and when Walt finally starts to cook for Gus in the new lab.Ag_07 said:
One thing I'm hung up on...
Is it a safe assumption that Gail will be finishing the lab?
If so why wouldn't Gus just have used him in the beginning?
Gus wanted Gale to learn from Walt, and then Gus could eventually get rid of Walt.
Oh yeah, spoilers for Breaking Bad, but I'm not going to spoiler tag them... it's your fault for not watching a 5+ year old series by now.
No ****, Sherlock. Not sure why this post was even necessary.91_Aggie said:Gale was going to be Gus's original meth cooker for the underground lab.. but then Walt's pure blue meth was discovered and Gus wanted Walt to run the lab with Gale as assistant.Junkhead said:Gale is not in construction. I think Gus just wanted to show him the progress. They will obviously need to bring in a new crew to finish, Which would help explain the timeline gap between now and when Walt finally starts to cook for Gus in the new lab.Ag_07 said:
One thing I'm hung up on...
Is it a safe assumption that Gail will be finishing the lab?
If so why wouldn't Gus just have used him in the beginning?
Gus wanted Gale to learn from Walt, and then Gus could eventually get rid of Walt.
Oh yeah, spoilers for Breaking Bad, but I'm not going to spoiler tag them... it's your fault for not watching a 5+ year old series by now.
lighten up, francis... mainly was posting for the guy you replied to.Junkhead said:No ****, Sherlock. Not sure why this post was even necessary.91_Aggie said:Gale was going to be Gus's original meth cooker for the underground lab.. but then Walt's pure blue meth was discovered and Gus wanted Walt to run the lab with Gale as assistant.Junkhead said:Gale is not in construction. I think Gus just wanted to show him the progress. They will obviously need to bring in a new crew to finish, Which would help explain the timeline gap between now and when Walt finally starts to cook for Gus in the new lab.Ag_07 said:
One thing I'm hung up on...
Is it a safe assumption that Gail will be finishing the lab?
If so why wouldn't Gus just have used him in the beginning?
Gus wanted Gale to learn from Walt, and then Gus could eventually get rid of Walt.
Oh yeah, spoilers for Breaking Bad, but I'm not going to spoiler tag them... it's your fault for not watching a 5+ year old series by now.
And I know all that too.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
I don't think it looked/sounded like that at all, nor do I think it was implied.Ag_07 said:
And I know all that too.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
It was more of a fan treat than anything else - look at this lab Gale. Gale gets excited about working there even in it's unfinished state. Just a reminder to us fans of what is coming - Gale and Walt working there. But Gus tells him no and puts him in his place. Gale sheepishly leaves.
I don't know how you would think Gale was going to do the construction based on that interaction.
Ag_07 said:
And I know all that too.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
That was not what I gathered from that scene. Gail was anxious to start using the space unfinished. He only discussed temporary measures to make one batch, and Gus made it clear there would be no cooking until the space was finished.
That said it was a little curious why he would bring Gail in to see it at this time. Gus is pretty good at compartmentalizing his operation so that the only person that knows too much is himself. If Gail was only supposed to be the cook, he doesn't need to see the progress on the construction.
I didn't say Jimmy wasn't. But I can't think of one selfless thing Chuck did. I can think of several Jimmy did.captainsubtext said:Quote:I was hoping he'd sing "Big Bottom" in the karaoke bar. And I disagree, they both are aholes, but Chuck took care of his drunk brother later that karaoke night.Quote:
Seeing more of Chuck just confirms to me he was the real ahole of the two brothers, not Jimmy. Or at least just as bad.
Jimmy's speech to the board didn't really speak highly of Chuck, except as a lawyer. "He's a great lawyer, but a piece of crap everywhere else."
Glad he's gone.
And I always liked Squiggy better
I think Jimmy's remorse of the old lady dying was genuine.
Jimmy seems to have both sides of a coin. Chuck just seems to have one.
And yes, CHuck helped him back to the room ... after he grabbed the microphone and went all in on "Winner takes it All"
I'm still kind of lost on what the point of that scene was. It showed Chuck vouching for Jimmy, Jimmy wanting Chuck to enjoy himself, Chuck, taking over and enjoying himself once Jimmy pushed him, Chuck taking care of Jimmy.... Why did Chuck sleep at Jimmy's apartment and not go home to his house?Texas 1836 said:
Seeing more of Chuck just confirms to me he was the real ahole of the two brothers, not Jimmy. Or at least just as bad.
Jimmy's speech to the board didn't really speak highly of Chuck, except as a lawyer. "He's a great lawyer, but a piece of crap everywhere else."
Glad he's gone.
And I always liked Squiggy better.
Was this scene to show that Jimmy did have a reason to still care for Chuck?
7nine
imho.... that was simply a treat or gift to viewers. Sometimes they do that. No real reason to show it to Gale at this point.Burdizzo said:Ag_07 said:
And I know all that too.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
That was not what I gathered from that scene. Gail was anxious to start using the space unfinished. He only discussed temporary measures to make one batch, and Gus made it clear there would be no cooking until the space was finished.
That said it was a little curious why he would bring Gail in to see it at this time. Gus is pretty good at compartmentalizing his operation so that the only person that knows too much is himself. If Gail was only supposed to be the cook, he doesn't need to see the progress on the construction.
Maybe I just misread it and based on the timing jumped to conclusions.
Just thought it was odd that he brought Gail in just as the Germans were going out. If he wanted him involved in the construction why not bring him in earlier to see it being built?
The timing more than anything got me thinking.
Just thought it was odd that he brought Gail in just as the Germans were going out. If he wanted him involved in the construction why not bring him in earlier to see it being built?
The timing more than anything got me thinking.
Still no answer on Jimmy's 1st or 2nd wife. He easily could have been lying, but you never know.
In one of the special features for last night's finale, Gilligan mentioned he told the writers that not EVERY reference in B.B. needs a payoff in BCS, and that he didn't particularly feel strongly about Lalo. But, he mentioned the writers did, and he's glad they did.
I can't wait to see a (hopeful) potential meetup between Kim and Jimmy in present-day Omaha. That would be amazing.
In one of the special features for last night's finale, Gilligan mentioned he told the writers that not EVERY reference in B.B. needs a payoff in BCS, and that he didn't particularly feel strongly about Lalo. But, he mentioned the writers did, and he's glad they did.
I can't wait to see a (hopeful) potential meetup between Kim and Jimmy in present-day Omaha. That would be amazing.
I think it was more like since it's implied that Gail was involved in the planning of the lab, Gus decided to show him the progress. It's a stopping point with the Germans being sent home, so what's the harm there?
The Gale thing was clearly mostly an audience nugget, but also provided the opportunity to make it clear that Gus has absolutely zero interest in shortcuts and that it's gonna take a lot more time to finish. Helps bridge the timeline to BB.
I think the point was the opposite of the above. The point was to give yet another example of why Jimmy should not care about Chuck. On what should have been Jimmy's night of celebration, Chuck was going to leave early. Then on what should have been Jimmy's moment on stage, Chuck completely disregarded him and took over.Texaggie7nine said:I'm still kind of lost on what the point of that scene was. It showed Chuck vouching for Jimmy, Jimmy wanting Chuck to enjoy himself, Chuck, taking over and enjoying himself once Jimmy pushed him, Chuck taking care of Jimmy.... Why did Chuck sleep at Jimmy's apartment and not go home to his house?Texas 1836 said:
Seeing more of Chuck just confirms to me he was the real ahole of the two brothers, not Jimmy. Or at least just as bad.
Jimmy's speech to the board didn't really speak highly of Chuck, except as a lawyer. "He's a great lawyer, but a piece of crap everywhere else."
Glad he's gone.
And I always liked Squiggy better.
Was this scene to show that Jimmy did have a reason to still care for Chuck?
This was just another example showing why it's understandable for Jimmy to not have any warm feelings towards Chuck and to give more background into why Jimmy put on a show for the committee instead of speaking truly from the heart. In other words, Chuck is a despicable human being and awful brother.
I didn't get that at all. I guess because I'm more of a introvert I saw nothing wrong with Chuck not wanting to sit around while people party and get drunk, especially when you have to work the next day.
Him going at all would be a show of affection for Jimmy. And the fact that he stayed for Jimmy's performance would show that even more. Jimmy seemed to only be concerned about getting Chuck to have fun, and he seemed happy when Chuck came out of his shell. That seemed to be Jimmy's whole purpose, so I don't think he would be upset when Chuck took the microphone, but happy.
Then Chuck taking Jimmy home and taking care of him, getting him to bed.... I'm not seeing where we are supposed to see Chuck worse off.
Him going at all would be a show of affection for Jimmy. And the fact that he stayed for Jimmy's performance would show that even more. Jimmy seemed to only be concerned about getting Chuck to have fun, and he seemed happy when Chuck came out of his shell. That seemed to be Jimmy's whole purpose, so I don't think he would be upset when Chuck took the microphone, but happy.
Then Chuck taking Jimmy home and taking care of him, getting him to bed.... I'm not seeing where we are supposed to see Chuck worse off.
7nine
Thought the same thing.Burdizzo said:Ag_07 said:
And I know all that too.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
That was not what I gathered from that scene. Gail was anxious to start using the space unfinished. He only discussed temporary measures to make one batch, and Gus made it clear there would be no cooking until the space was finished.
That said it was a little curious why he would bring Gail in to see it at this time. Gus is pretty good at compartmentalizing his operation so that the only person that knows too much is himself. If Gail was only supposed to be the cook, he doesn't need to see the progress on the construction.
Great 'sode. Except, he couldn't simply use a d/b/a to begin representing people as Saul Goodman, unless he still used Jimmy McGill on his pleadings.
Ya ya ya, suspension of disbelief. Just sayin'.
Ya ya ya, suspension of disbelief. Just sayin'.
Life's an endless party, not a pushcart.
It could have been a "we will be unable to give you all the room/capability you asked for. Could you make do with something like this?"Ervin Burrell said:Thought the same thing.Burdizzo said:Ag_07 said:
And I know all that too.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
That was not what I gathered from that scene. Gail was anxious to start using the space unfinished. He only discussed temporary measures to make one batch, and Gus made it clear there would be no cooking until the space was finished.
That said it was a little curious why he would bring Gail in to see it at this time. Gus is pretty good at compartmentalizing his operation so that the only person that knows too much is himself. If Gail was only supposed to be the cook, he doesn't need to see the progress on the construction.
aTmAg said:It could have been a "we will be unable to give you all the room/capability you asked for. Could you make do with something like this?"Ervin Burrell said:Thought the same thing.Burdizzo said:Ag_07 said:
And I know all that too.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
That was not what I gathered from that scene. Gail was anxious to start using the space unfinished. He only discussed temporary measures to make one batch, and Gus made it clear there would be no cooking until the space was finished.
That said it was a little curious why he would bring Gail in to see it at this time. Gus is pretty good at compartmentalizing his operation so that the only person that knows too much is himself. If Gail was only supposed to be the cook, he doesn't need to see the progress on the construction.
Well, the way the scene played out kind of stops that theory, doesn't it?
The first time we see Mike in BB is when he has to go clean up Jane's dead body.
Prediction: we learn in BCS that he comes straight from cleaning up Lalo's dead body to clean up Jane's body because he just finished killing Lalo.
Prediction: we learn in BCS that he comes straight from cleaning up Lalo's dead body to clean up Jane's body because he just finished killing Lalo.
Maybe I forgot something, but what do you mean?expresswrittenconsent said:aTmAg said:It could have been a "we will be unable to give you all the room/capability you asked for. Could you make do with something like this?"Ervin Burrell said:Thought the same thing.Burdizzo said:Ag_07 said:
And I know all that too.
To me they made it look/sound like Gail would be taking over the construction of the lab. At least to me that's how it was implied.
That's what I was curious about. I know how it all went down in BB.
That was not what I gathered from that scene. Gail was anxious to start using the space unfinished. He only discussed temporary measures to make one batch, and Gus made it clear there would be no cooking until the space was finished.
That said it was a little curious why he would bring Gail in to see it at this time. Gus is pretty good at compartmentalizing his operation so that the only person that knows too much is himself. If Gail was only supposed to be the cook, he doesn't need to see the progress on the construction.
Well, the way the scene played out kind of stops that theory, doesn't it?
If I remember correctly, Gale was already in there when they cut to that scene and we have no idea what discussion Gus and Gale had immediately prior. All I remember was Gale saying that he could cook a rudimentary batch the way it was, and Gus saying to wait until it was ready.
I predict that Lalo was in Mike trunk. That he put Jesse's bong in Lalo's Rigor-mortisized hand.Blatant Disregard said:
The first time we see Mike in BB is when he has to go clean up Jane's dead body.
Prediction: we learn in BCS that he comes straight from cleaning up Lalo's dead body to clean up Jane's body because he just finished killing Lalo.
mavsfan4ever said:I think the point was the opposite of the above. The point was to give yet another example of why Jimmy should not care about Chuck. On what should have been Jimmy's night of celebration, Chuck was going to leave early. Then on what should have been Jimmy's moment on stage, Chuck completely disregarded him and took over.Texaggie7nine said:I'm still kind of lost on what the point of that scene was. It showed Chuck vouching for Jimmy, Jimmy wanting Chuck to enjoy himself, Chuck, taking over and enjoying himself once Jimmy pushed him, Chuck taking care of Jimmy.... Why did Chuck sleep at Jimmy's apartment and not go home to his house?Texas 1836 said:
Seeing more of Chuck just confirms to me he was the real ahole of the two brothers, not Jimmy. Or at least just as bad.
Jimmy's speech to the board didn't really speak highly of Chuck, except as a lawyer. "He's a great lawyer, but a piece of crap everywhere else."
Glad he's gone.
And I always liked Squiggy better.
Was this scene to show that Jimmy did have a reason to still care for Chuck?
This was just another example showing why it's understandable for Jimmy to not have any warm feelings towards Chuck and to give more background into why Jimmy put on a show for the committee instead of speaking truly from the heart. In other words, Chuck is a despicable human being and awful brother.
Remember Chuck's last words to Jimmy were "You never really mattered to me." And the only person that knows Chuck said that is Jimmy.
That is a big contrast to the few words in the letter he started to read in the hearing. I don't recall who came up with the idea that Kim wrote the letter, but that makes a lot of sense.
So unless I'm missing something they still haven't made the connection between Saul and Gus.
IIRC in BB Saul tells Walt and Jessie he knows a guy who knows a guy.
Obviously that guy is Mike but we haven't yet seen how Saul knows that Mike works for a drug kingpin. I would imagine that story line drives the next season.
IIRC in BB Saul tells Walt and Jessie he knows a guy who knows a guy.
Obviously that guy is Mike but we haven't yet seen how Saul knows that Mike works for a drug kingpin. I would imagine that story line drives the next season.
Someone refresh my memory. Gail was Gus' original cook after the lab was finished, and then he brought Walter in to take over and "partner" with Gail? Do we know how long Gail was in the lab alone before Walter showed up?
Gale was getting the lab equipment in place when Walt was brought in. He hadn't started cooking yet.Huell Babineaux said:
Someone refresh my memory. Gail was Gus' original cook after the lab was finished, and then he brought Walter in to take over and "partner" with Gail? Do we know how long Gail was in the lab alone before Walter showed up?
Junkhead said:Gale was getting the lab equipment in place when Walt was brought in. He hadn't started cooking yet.Huell Babineaux said:
Someone refresh my memory. Gail was Gus' original cook after the lab was finished, and then he brought Walter in to take over and "partner" with Gail? Do we know how long Gail was in the lab alone before Walter showed up?
Gale WAS intended to be the original cook though. But Gus asked Gale to analyze a sample of Walt's meth batch - Gale was impressed at it's near perfection. That is what convinced Gus to go with Walt over Gale as the primary cook.
Zombie Jon Snow said:Junkhead said:Gale was getting the lab equipment in place when Walt was brought in. He hadn't started cooking yet.Huell Babineaux said:
Someone refresh my memory. Gail was Gus' original cook after the lab was finished, and then he brought Walter in to take over and "partner" with Gail? Do we know how long Gail was in the lab alone before Walter showed up?
Gus WAS intended to be the original cook though. But Gus asked Gale to analyze a sample of Walt's meth batch - Gale was impressed at it's near perfection. That is what convinced Gus to go with Walt over Gale as the primary cook.
Gale, but yes. You are correct.
mavsfan4ever said:I think the point was the opposite of the above. The point was to give yet another example of why Jimmy should not care about Chuck. On what should have been Jimmy's night of celebration, Chuck was going to leave early. Then on what should have been Jimmy's moment on stage, Chuck completely disregarded him and took over.Texaggie7nine said:I'm still kind of lost on what the point of that scene was. It showed Chuck vouching for Jimmy, Jimmy wanting Chuck to enjoy himself, Chuck, taking over and enjoying himself once Jimmy pushed him, Chuck taking care of Jimmy.... Why did Chuck sleep at Jimmy's apartment and not go home to his house?Texas 1836 said:
Seeing more of Chuck just confirms to me he was the real ahole of the two brothers, not Jimmy. Or at least just as bad.
Jimmy's speech to the board didn't really speak highly of Chuck, except as a lawyer. "He's a great lawyer, but a piece of crap everywhere else."
Glad he's gone.
And I always liked Squiggy better.
Was this scene to show that Jimmy did have a reason to still care for Chuck?
This was just another example showing why it's understandable for Jimmy to not have any warm feelings towards Chuck and to give more background into why Jimmy put on a show for the committee instead of speaking truly from the heart. In other words, Chuck is a despicable human being and awful brother.
They showed Jimmy singing happily in the background when Chuck was singing.
I think it shows more that Jimmy's view of Chuck always hating him/always wanting him to lose was not as black/White as Jimmy paints it now.
Remember in all this that Jimmy is not a good guy. He's always been a con artist. he becomes an outright criminal as seen in Breaking Bad.
It seems everyone is cheering Jimmy on kind of like the way they cheered Walt on in Breaking Bad. these are bad people, amoral at best. And everyone is on Jimmy's side. "he got a raw deal, so he's justified in every thing he does".
oops. corrected. lol
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