***Official 2019-2020 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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Not only are those not the worst ever basketball jerseys. They're not even the worst worn by the Mavericks. How quickly you forget. I regretfully remind you of the true worst jerseys ever.


https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/10/4/16380496/silver-mavericks-jersey-cuban-dirk-so-bad-its-good
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2014/9/24/6756079/dallas-mavericks-history-jerseys-uniform-complete

These were intended to be the Mavericks alternate away jerseys, but were put in something resembling the jersey itself after only one game.
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M.C. Swag
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Lol I watched that vid for way too long. How I wish I could go back to those days and appreciate them more.
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Saint Pablo said:



Worst jersey in the history of professional sports. Hands down. Star Wars Episode 1 of jerseys.
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Saint Pablo said:


We're using Fat Albert font.

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Those jerseys look like a costume for the set of space jam 2. I could see bugs bunny wearing that jersey.
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M.C. Swag said:

Lol I watched that vid for way too long. How I wish I could go back to those days and appreciate them more.

They get sweat on them and they start to look like a disco ball, or as Cuban said, wet trash bags.

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hph6203 said:

M.C. Swag said:

Lol I watched that vid for way too long. How I wish I could go back to those days and appreciate them more.

They get sweat on them and they start to look like a disco ball, or as Cuban said, wet trash bags.


These still look better than the neon ones haha
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I don't mind the neon ones. They look like Nickelodeon. They're not great looking, but I'd rather look like Nickelodeon than the guy who wears a shiny dress shirt trying to coax women to shoot a porno.
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I actually like these better than last year. Ugly is more fun than boring (which was precisely what last years was).
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hph6203 said:

Not only are those not the worst ever basketball jerseys. They're not even the worst worn by the Mavericks. How quickly you forget. I regretfully remind you of the true worst jerseys ever.


https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/10/4/16380496/silver-mavericks-jersey-cuban-dirk-so-bad-its-good
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2014/9/24/6756079/dallas-mavericks-history-jerseys-uniform-complete

These were intended to be the Mavericks alternate away jerseys, but were put in something resembling the jersey itself after only one game.

Ha! I watched that game live at the Fox and Hound in College Station. I remember the rumor at the time being that Puffy had designed them himself.
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I wonder if Reggie Miller just thinks that Kevin Harlan (and everyone else) is pronouncing Doncic incorrectly. He's sticking with "Donkic".
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We will lose to everyone if KP is this bad. I know, I know..."he's rusty." But the dude looks about worse than anything I would have expected.
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KP is so soft. Luka needs to teach him how to nut up and dunk on these clowns.
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Losing twice to the knicks? The only thing that comes to mind is "not a playoff team".
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We need to get this monkey that is the Knicks off our back
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Did we have a chance at Julius Randle? Because that dudes game would fit on this team.
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It's hard to find any positives on the team other than Luka.
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awrollins said:

We need to get this monkey that is the Knicks off our back


Im doing my part as i switched over the Stars game since they look like **** when im watching.
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M.C. Swag said:

It's hard to find any positives on the team other than Luka.
KP is averaging about 20 pts a game, coming off a long injury break and learning an entirely new style of offense and new teammates.
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Jesus f'ing Christ, the last 2 minutes has taken like 15 minutes to play.
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Maybe winning isn't a priority this year. Cuban and company didn't seem to try hard or have a plan in free agency at all.
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I feel like we need to change up the rotations so that Luka doesn't sit so long in the 4th. He was on fire in the third and then didn't come in until 6 minutes left in the game. I'd like to see him come back around the 8-9 minute mark, even if that means he plays a couple minutes less in the third quarter or first half. New York couldn't score at all the first half of the 4th quarter. But neither could we (which wasn't too surprising with who we had on the floor.

I also wish curry would play a lot more. Not sure why he's not getting many minutes. We need the spacing.

And it's another game where we didn't have any timeouts left at the end of the game when we needed to use one to advance the ball. It drives me crazy when teams don't save a timeout for the end of the game in order to advance the ball. It's a common occurrence for us.

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Good grief. Inexcusable to lose to the Knicks two times In a freaking week. Pathetic
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I wouldn't say that Mavs have big problems. They are one of the top offensive teams in net rating. Their biggest issue is on the defensive end where they are below average. The fundamental problem is that this team is comprised of specialists. Offensive guys like Curry and defensive guys like Finney-Smith dot the roster. Because they don't have a lot of 2 way players it makes the rotations/lineups pretty unstable. It's like Whack-a-Mole for Carslisle. If he tries to improve the team in one area, he gives something up in another. It is a limitation that is not fixable without changing the team via draft/free agency/trade.

Even considering the fundamental issues, the Mavs have had the lead in the 4th quarter for all 11 games this year. I don't think any other team in the NBA can say that. I would guess that given their best 4th quarter win probability for each game, the math would have expected them to have won 8+ games. Yet somehow they are 6-5. I'm chalking it up to "bad luck" and a small sample size more than anything. The Mavs have a pretty high variance style of play, shooting a lot of 3's and not defending particularly well. Game to game could be a roller coaster but it will all wash out in the end. At this point (barring injury) I think the Mavs make the playoffs in the 6/7/8 seed range. But because they lack 2 way players and don't play with any force defensively I really can't see them upsetting any of LAC/LAL/HOU/UTA/DEN in the first round.
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Curry has been awful. I think he needs less minutes or at least minutes that aren't with the starting lineup.
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jeffdjohnson said:

I wouldn't say that Mavs have big problems. They are one of the top offensive teams in net rating.
I'm not buying that empty stat. My eyes tells me this offense sucks.
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I think I was a little quick to judge them a 48-50 win team and potential 5 seed a week ago or whatever, but I do think it's a 43-45 win team and a potential 7 seed. Got excited and a little out over my skis.
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The Mavs have a pretty high variance style of play, shooting a lot of 3's and not defending particularly well.
I'm no basketball expert but this is what sticks out to me. They play the 3 point line very soft when on defense. On the other side, while on offense they jack up a ton of contested 3's. It's really weird to see a Carlisle team shoot a contested 3 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. It's insane to see it a dozen times per game. The offense looks great when they actually run it, both inside and outside the arc. Also, the obligatory Luca is out-of-his-mind-awesome
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M.C. Swag said:

jeffdjohnson said:

I wouldn't say that Mavs have big problems. They are one of the top offensive teams in net rating.
I'm not buying that empty stat. My eyes tells me this offense sucks.


The Mavs are currently 18th in the league in FG%. I can see why someone watching the game might feel like the Mavs offense sucks.

However, the reason they are 2nd in offensive rating (a stat which just normalizes scoring per 100 possessions) is because of the 3 point line and the free throw line. The Mavs are top 6 in both free throw and 3 point attempts. That fact puts them at 10th place in True Shooting percentage (which is a better indicator than FG%). And because the Mavs are *also* top 10 in Offensive Rebound percentage and Turnover percentage it means more opportunities to score. Combine all of those things (more opportunities to score with a high true shooting) and you get a lot of Mavs points per 100 possessions. This is not an empty stat.

What actually sucks is that the Mavs give up 110 points per 100 possessions which puts them at 21st in the NBA. I think the Mavs could somewhat improve defensively by playing more defensive minded lineups but that would likely cost them on the offensive end. That is just the fundamental flaw of this team and it won't be fixed until they can swap out guys like THJ/DFS for Danny Green types. In the meantime I am enjoying the **** out of Carslisle spamming Luka Doncic spread pick and roll action.
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last night was on rick. KP and Luka were starting to click at the end of the third and Rick didn't bring them back till 7mins remaining in the 4th. He used to do that with Dirk as well and I never understood why he kills momentum when a player is on fire.
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**tl;dr warning**

People complain about Carlisle and his rotations, or his timeouts, or his Xs and Os, and whenever we lose, he takes the brunt of the blame. But regardless of everything else, Carlisle puts his guys in a position to take wins. It's the players not executing that's the problem.

And that's not just me saying it, it's the stats.

Off the top of your head, a good coach on offense would ideally try to get our guys open looks, right? Open looks presumably mean that a defender is not nearby to contest the shot. We also all know that Carlisle's play-calls focus around us taking a heavy amount of 3s. We were 6th in 3PA in 2017, and 4th in 2018, 2019, and 2020. [As per Bball Ref]. So presumably, if Carlisle were coaching well, we should see a lot of open looks from 3.

The NBA's stats catalog has a section that shows shots taken by a team characterized by the closest defender. There are 4 categories: Very tight (where the nearest defender was 0-2 ft), tight (2-4 ft), open (4-6 ft), and wide open (>6 ft).

Now, off the top of your head, what percentage would you expect an NBA team to make 3s that are open or wide open?

League average for 3pt% is 34.5%, and the Mavs are at 33.8%. So if it's an open 3 I would expect AT LEAST that percentage right? To be honest with you, if given an open look, I would expect our guys or any NBA team to be hitting at 40%.

Last night, as per the NBA stats, we attempted 36 3s. And of those 36 3s, 31 were either open (20) or wide open (11). That means that Carlisle's gameplan got us 31 open looks from 3. If we shot at our current 3pt%, that would've meant 10-11 3s hitting. If we shot at 40% from open 3s, that's 12-14 3s hitting.

We hit 7 of 31 from open 3point land, an abysmal 22.5%.

If a coach is able to game-plan in such a way that 86% of our looks from 3 are either open or wide open, I would argue that the coach did a good job, at least on the offensive end. Our 2pt FG% last night was pretty good, 28-48 (58.3%.) But if guys don't hit their shots, there's not much Carlisle can do on the offensive end.
To be clear, there are valid criticisms to make for the coaching. We need to do a lot better defensively and lock opposing teams down, stopping them from going on these runs. We need to hold our leads better. The sooner we figure out the finalized rotations, the better. We need to figure out plays where KP becomes more active and comfortable in his role (this particular one I believe comes with time.) But that being said, fussing at Carlisle when he's provided our guys the opportunity to win just by hitting 1-2 more open shots seems a bit reactionary.

And also to be clear, this isn't an isolated situation. We're 7th in the league when it comes to wide open 3pt frequency, and 1st in the league when it comes to open 3pt frequency. We are 16th in the league when it comes to tight 3pt frequency, and we have never had to shoot a 3 that was very tightly defended.
  • Against our loss to the trailblazers, we shot 50 3 pointers and only hit 13 (26%). 47 of those shots were either open (21) or wide open (26). We lost by 2.
  • Against our loss to the Knicks the first time, we shot 44 3 pointers and only hit 14 (31.8%). 42 of those shots were either open (26) or wide open (16). We lost by 4.
  • Against our loss to the Celtics, we shot 42 3 pointers and only hit 11 (26.2%). 40 of those shots were either open (21) or wide open (19). We lost by 10.

The one loss I skipped was the Lakers game, where we shot at a pretty good 3pt% (38.9%). Obviously though, we would've won that game if Powell hit that 2nd FT, the refs noticed the jersey grab, or numerous other things that might have gone our way. It was a close game in regulation.

tl;dr: Carlisle, who has had an emphasis of game-planning for us to shoot a 3, has consistently provided us heavy opportunities to have open 3s. Our players just don't seem to hit them. We still have a lot to work on when it comes to the defensive end, but calling for Carlisle's head for players not hitting 3s seem reactionary to me. He's provided them the opportunities with his coaching strategy- they just need to take advantage of it.

PS: This data is also promising for the Mavs as a whole. Everyone talks about the fact that Rick is trying out new rotations and the players haven't necessarily settled into the their role. But given more time, as we do settle into our role, we'll see a lot more consistency from our players, and our offense will improve even more as these open shots start falling more.
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While I get where you're coming from and I tend to agree that Rick isn't the problem, using those stats are a bit flawed. If I'm an opposing coach and I know the Mavs are a below average 3 pt shooting team, why wouldn't I allow them to take open 3s? It's not always Carlisle's game plan that's creating those shots but the defense dictating where the ball should go.
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AggieDan04 said:

While I get where you're coming from and I tend to agree that Rick isn't the problem, using those stats are a bit flawed. If I'm an opposing coach and I know the Mavs are a below average 3 pt shooting team, why wouldn't I allow them to take open 3s? It's not always Carlisle's game plan that's creating those shots but the defense dictating where the ball should go.
The point is that Rick's offense is generating quality looks for his players. They aren't executing on those good looks.

An avg NBA player should be able to produce at least at an average rate when provided above average quality of shot attempts. To fall short of that as a collective unit speaks far more about the quality of players than anything else.

And to be clear here, I focused on the one aspect of Rick's coaching that has consistently remained a point of emphasis. This isn't to say that he's infallible by any means! There's probably 100 things he could've done differently in our losses to make them wins, but that's literally true of anyone, be it a player or a coach.

But the simplistic reaction of saying that Rick didn't put us in a position to win is untrue - we had ample opportunity thanks to his schemes to get us open offensively, and he apparently is one of the best at doing so in the league. His defensive schemes leave a lot to be desired, but I think a week ago there were reports that practices started to have a defensive focus, so hopefully as our team gels we see that improvement.
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AggieDan04 said:

While I get where you're coming from and I tend to agree that Rick isn't the problem, using those stats are a bit flawed. If I'm an opposing coach and I know the Mavs are a below average 3 pt shooting team, why wouldn't I allow them to take open 3s? It's not always Carlisle's game plan that's creating those shots but the defense dictating where the ball should go.
I want to agree with you, but I feel like I'm an old man yelling at clouds. There's not a guard in the league passing up open 3s ever since the Warriors started winning titles
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