*****Spurs 2017 Offseason Thread*****

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In reply to Ag Natural • 9:35a, 7/22/17
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I thought the same. But the part that doesn't make sense to me is he only has to be with Lebron 1 more year, then would be a FA in 2019. Seems like a weak move to request a trade at this point. Only staying in CLE 1 year without Lebron isn't really the definition of being left high and dry.

Must be more to it than what has been made public.
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In reply to flashplayer • 10:31a, 7/22/17
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Must be more to it than what has been made public.

Does anyone know what Delonte West is up to these days?
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In reply to Ulrich • 10:31a, 7/22/17
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Ulrich said:
flashplayer said:
Must be more to it than what has been made public.

Does anyone know what Delonte West is up to these days?
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 10:52a, 7/22/17
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LBJ, Rose, Love and LaMarcus would probably make the Finals in the East.


It's the east. LeBron, me, my two dogs, and a broken patio chair could make the finals.
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In reply to AggieOO • 10:55a, 7/22/17
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AggieOO said:
Guitarsoup said:
LBJ, Rose, Love and LaMarcus would probably make the Finals in the East.


It's the east. LeBron, me, my two dogs, and a broken patio chair could make the finals.


I don't see a patio chair getting along with Labron. It would surely demand a trade and the season would end in disgrace.
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In reply to AggieOO • 11:37a, 7/22/17
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AggieOO said:
Guitarsoup said:
LBJ, Rose, Love and LaMarcus would probably make the Finals in the East.


It's the east. LeBron, me, my two dogs, and a broken patio chair could make the finals.


Fido & Fido combining to average 63 and 24 in the ECF.
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2:38p, 7/22/17
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So Irving is a Spir???
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In reply to flashplayer • 3:01p, 7/22/17
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flashplayer said:
I thought the same. But the part that doesn't make sense to me is he only has to be with Lebron 1 more year, then would be a FA in 2019. Seems like a weak move to request a trade at this point. Only staying in CLE 1 year without Lebron isn't really the definition of being left high and dry.

Must be more to it than what has been made public.


https://theringer.com/why-kyrie-irving-wants-out-of-cleveland-and-away-from-lebron-james-1b80fe2857d9
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In reply to TyHolden • 3:08p, 7/22/17
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So Irving is a Spir???


Bleacher report saying Mills, geen, and 2018 first round pick to Cleveland.
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3:23p, 7/22/17
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Notes from Cleveland guy as of an hour ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/07/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_62.amp
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In reply to AggieOO • 3:32p, 7/22/17
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DSAg44 said:
So Irving is a Spir???


Bleacher report saying Mills, geen, and 2018 first round pick to Cleveland.


Not surprising, doesn't look legit.
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5:16p, 7/22/17
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Anyone ever see anything come out regarding Gasols contract amount? I've only seen 3y with partial 3rd yr guarantee. I'm curious how much they blew of their 2018 cap.
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2:14p, 7/23/17
Given a choice Between kyrie this year or lebron next supposing each would want to be in SA, which one do you take?
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In reply to ToHntortoFsh • 2:16p, 7/23/17
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ToHntortoFsh said:
Given a choice Between kyrie this year or lebron next supposing each would want to be in SA, which one do you take?
lebron ain't coming to SA....
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In reply to AggieOO • 3:28p, 7/23/17
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AggieOO said:
AggieOO said:
DSAg44 said:
So Irving is a Spir???


Bleacher report saying Mills, geen, and 2018 first round pick to Cleveland.


Not surprising, doesn't look legit.


The Cavs would have to have gone ridiculously brain dead to make a trade like that. 25 year old All-star guard for A pu-pu platter of Mills, Green, and a pick that will be late in the first round? Yikes!
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In reply to ToHntortoFsh • 4:09p, 7/23/17
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No brainer. Lebron. But problem is Kawhi needs a sidekick before Lebron will come here. He only likes teams with 3 all stars. Spurs will need to have enough for 2 max contracts next free agency and have someone lined up and agreed to before Lebron seriously considers them.

I agree with anyone who says they have a slim shot at Lebron. But to say they have no shot is silly. They'd be one of 2-3 teams with any legit chance.
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7:28p, 7/23/17
I think it's a long shot too. But like Soup said of the teams that'll have the room only one has another MVP level player. Who else is out there for the Spurs to bring in?
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In reply to ToHntortoFsh • 7:46p, 7/23/17
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DeAndre Jordan at 25mm/yr starting + LeBron at 30mm/yr starting would fit along with Kawhi, Patty, Gasol, White and Murray.
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8:54p, 7/23/17
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The same Jordan that pop passed on?

Could have had him for pennies
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9:53p, 7/23/17
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Spurs needed a PG and drafted George Hill. That seemed to work out pretty well.
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4:04a, 7/24/17
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I don't think the Kyrie trade happens for three reasons.

1) The Spurs just don't have the assets (for a two-way trade at least). With two years plus an option, the Cavs can send him anywhere they want.

2) If they did end up pulling a trade off, sending green and LMA and whoever else would really hurt the Spurs. As constructed I still think the Spurs have the best shot against GS. But for that to happen we need good defense and we need LMA to play well to give us an adavantage down low. We won't have either of those things if we make this trade.

3) If the Spurs do try to swing a trade and miss, it could really mess up the locker room and a fragile LMA who has seemed to come around to staying lately.

I honestly think Kyrie works it out and end up staying.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 8:05a, 7/24/17
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Guitarsoup said:
DeAndre Jordan at 25mm/yr starting + LeBron at 30mm/yr starting would fit along with Kawhi, Patty, Gasol, White and Murray.
Before you even flirted with the idea of trying to get LeBron into San Antonio next season, you would have to sit down with Kawhi and make sure he would be totally on board with that. While I've seen media comments that LeBron has his 'banana boat' buddies and likes Paul George etc., not sure I've ever seen anything about him and Kawhi being chummy. Obviously the first critical requirement would be those two guys would actually want to play together. If they don't like each other that much then that's it. End of story.
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8:12a, 7/24/17
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https://theringer.com/kyrie-irving-san-antonio-spurs-trade-scenarios-57bf19761668
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9:27a, 7/24/17
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I'd be all over Kyrie, but I don't think he is necessarily the best fit for the Spurs. Negative defender and me-first player. Neither of these things are really Spurs-type things.
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9:28a, 7/24/17
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I dont see it happening. The Cavs couldn't possibly be dumb enough for a straight trade unless the Spurs give up Kawhi.

A three team? How those Knicks?

Kyrie to Spurs
Melo to Cavs
Murray, Bertans, pick to Knicks

The Knicks want young guys, picks and cap space. Bertans and The Zinger are boys. I know this doesn't work money wise for the Spurs as-is. But something similar could work.

Of course, if the knicks would do this why not just trade foe Kyrie straight up? There are a lot of obstacles for getting Kyrie to SA.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:30a, 7/24/17
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Guitarsoup said:
I'd be all over Kyrie, but I don't think he is necessarily the best fit for the Spurs. Negative defender and me-first player. Neither of these things are really Spurs-type things.


Kyrie gets a bad rap. The guys sounds very intelligent and I've never read him as a me first guy. The reports that he wants to be a focal point are worthless IMO.
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9:31a, 7/24/17
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I think the most likely scenario would be something centered around:

Bledsoe Suns -> Cavs
LaMarcus Spurs -> Suns
Kyrie Cavs -> SPurs

Bledsoe is good friends with LeBron and they use the same agent. Suns have pursued LaMarcus heavily and discussed trading for him before the draft. Makes sense for each team. Just add in the rest of the minor players to taste.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 9:33a, 7/24/17
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Ag Natural said:
Guitarsoup said:
I'd be all over Kyrie, but I don't think he is necessarily the best fit for the Spurs. Negative defender and me-first player. Neither of these things are really Spurs-type things.


Kyrie gets a bad rap. The guys sounds very intelligent and I've never read him as a me first guy. The reports that he wants to be a focal point are worthless IMO.


Those reports came from Lebrons spokesman...I mean, Brian Windhorst, the least biased "analyst " that's ever lived and certainly hasn't made a career off knob slobbering Lebron.

So yeah, the focal point garbage is probably overblown. I do think there's more to the story though. There are rumblings today that it was actually Lebrons people who leaked the Kyrie news. I'd believe it that Lebron actually wants Kyrie out and when Kyrie found this out, he requested to be traded. Then Lebrons crew outs him by going public and blaming Kyrie for the whole thing.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:37a, 7/24/17
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Guitarsoup said:
I think the most likely scenario would be something centered around:

Bledsoe Suns -> Cavs
LaMarcus Spurs -> Suns
Kyrie Cavs -> SPurs

Bledsoe is good friends with LeBron and they use the same agent. Suns have pursued LaMarcus heavily and discussed trading for him before the draft. Makes sense for each team. Just add in the rest of the minor players to taste.


I'd be all for that move but I think he Suns would likely need a PG (Dejounte?) and the Cavs would need more incentive (DG for Shumpert?). If that's the case I'm not sure I'd do the deal.
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In reply to Enzo The Baker • 9:48a, 7/24/17
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Yeah, how good a deal it would be would depend on other parts.

Suns still have Brandon Knight and Tyler Ulis at point. I think Ulis is going to be a solid PG.
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9:53a, 7/24/17
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I don't see how the Spurs trade LMA without getting a rotation big in return. As its stands, depth is a problem at the 4/5 spots already; after LMA, you got Gasol, Bertans, Lauvergne, and maybe Lee. I know Kawhi and/or Gay probably get some run as stretch 4s, but still...
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In reply to LawHall88 • 9:56a, 7/24/17
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Yea our rebounding and interior D would take a huge hit.
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10:09a, 7/24/17
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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ue6e7f

Something starting like this works but would cost a lot of taxes.
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11:46a, 7/24/17
If Bledsoe is in play I'd rather just try to get him instead of Irving.
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2:05p, 7/24/17
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