*****Spurs 2017 Offseason Thread*****

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flashplayer said:

That's right. You can't. There's this magical thing called facts and context. I was only giving you a hard time about yet another Warriors mention.


The context and facts in this particular case seem to include that Simmons was mediocre during regular season but played great in the 2017 playoffs. For a team like the Spurs, the period of May/June is all that really matters and the dude delivered the goods in that regard. So *maybe* a guy like that might have been worth the money depending on circumstances and your future plans and on who you had to replace him, etc.

The Spurs made the decision not to pay him as much money as someone else. He took the other offer. Maybe it was the right call by the Spurs. Had they given him the same contract as Orlando, don't think we could have said it was definitely a bad move by San Antonio either.
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I know. We were actually in agreement on the argument.
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GSW is keeping a champion together and doesn't care (for now) about luxury tax. That's a big difference from the Spurs situation. Simmons balled out against Houston and GS but who else was going to score? Hard for me to see the WCF as any more than garbage time after Kawhi went down.
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Simmons can also probably start at SG in Orlando. San Antonio has a logjam at wing despite how weak we are at PG.

Simmons needs to fight Kawhi, Gay, Green, maybe white or Brynsanity and maybe Manu for minutes.

This is in no way comparable to the Warriors situation, but I do appreciate how Pumpkin was able to bring them up yet again.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if this was all about playing time. Simmons probably thinks he could start over Green. He might be right bit it is what it is at this point.

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Problem with him starting over Green is say you have White in at PG and LMA and Gasol at post with Kawhi running the show. Kawhi is the only proven 3pt shooter. Need Green in there to shoot.
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Guitarsoup said:

Problem with him starting over Green is say you have White in at PG and LMA and Gasol at post with Kawhi running the show. Kawhi is the only proven 3pt shooter. Need Green in there to shoot.



But but but, Danny Green is a 17% three point shooter /GatorAg
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Guitarsoup said:


This is in no way comparable to the Warriors situation, but I do appreciate how Pumpkin was able to bring them up yet again.
I was replying to a post that opined that giving Simmons a 3-year contract for $20 million was 'Knicks GM bad'. And the poster seemed to primarily looking at his ppg/mpg stats. And I simply gave another example of an organization that unlike the Knicks is considered to have excellent management (the organization that shall not be named) to point out that you shouldn't just look at the stats. I don't think it would have necessarily been a 'Knicks GM' move by the Spurs to pay Simmons that kind of money. The Spurs might certainly be looking more to preserve cap space to make bigger moves in 2018 though.
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http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=20035654&s=espn

Rudy Gay interview yesterday on Mike & Mike, talking about why he signed with the Spurs, his recovery from a torn Achilles tendon, whether the injury could change his style of play, and more.
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The backup point guard for the team that has won two of the last three finals and the 4th or 5th best wing player for the Spurs aren't really comparable situations.
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Funny in hindsight with the host asking Rudy if he was excited to play with Simmons.
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ESPN reports that Simmons deal is only 3y 18M with only 1 M guarantee the last year.

6.3, 6.0, 5.7

Damn, they didn't even give him as much as it sounded like yesterday.
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Yeah, Simmon's agent smells like a turd in this scenario.

First, leaks out figures trying to drum up interest.

Second, clearly sours the relationship with Spurs to the point where they quickly snatch up a couple more young players and rescind the rights to Simmons.

Third, sign a deal with Orlando and then leak out elevated (false) terms to the press.
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Fortunately for his other clients, none of them appeared to have a shot at a pro contract before his shenanigans anyway.

But yeah, him turning Simmons prime years into a great bargain at 18M (if he does well) or only 13M if he sucks wasn't the sharpest look.
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http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Simmons-on-new-deal-It-s-a-business-happy-11290435.php

In this article, Simmons said playing time was also a factor.
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This Tynan guy has said repeatedly there was a falling out of sorts and it has nothing to do with contract terms.
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Ag Natural said:

This Tynan guy has said repeatedly there was a falling out of sorts and it has nothing to do with contract terms.


Hm.
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Tynan confirmed
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So that "qualifying offer" was bs?

Weird.
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tbirdspur2010 said:

So that "qualifying offer" was bs?

Weird.


Naw, the qualifying offer was real. It means they didn't offer him a real contract. They were waiting to see what they had to match.
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I don't recall any reports of an offer. Just that they were "preparing " an offer. Most likely a bogus leak by an agent.
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Gotcha.
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Something for Amazon Prime members:

https://www.amazon.com/2006-2007-NBA-Champions-Antonio-Spurs/dp/B00G4E3HDS/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00G4E11UE

https://www.amazon.com/NBA-Champions-2003-Antonio-Spurs/dp/B00HBN3CCM

https://www.amazon.com/NBA-Champions-1999-Avery-Johnson/dp/B00G4E0772/
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Guitarsoup said:

Something for Amazon Prime members:

https://www.amazon.com/2006-2007-NBA-Champions-Antonio-Spurs/dp/B00G4E3HDS/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00G4E11UE

https://www.amazon.com/NBA-Champions-2003-Antonio-Spurs/dp/B00HBN3CCM

https://www.amazon.com/NBA-Champions-1999-Avery-Johnson/dp/B00G4E0772/


Warning: Unbearable Snobbery Forthcoming

True fans own all of these already. Hell, I still have the VHS from 1999. And I don't even own a VCR anymore lol.

I do need to get the '99 one in digital form though. Forced my newborn son to watch it on YouTube with me last week.
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Guitarsoup said:

Something for Amazon Prime members:

https://www.amazon.com/2006-2007-NBA-Champions-Antonio-Spurs/dp/B00G4E3HDS/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00G4E11UE

https://www.amazon.com/NBA-Champions-2003-Antonio-Spurs/dp/B00HBN3CCM

https://www.amazon.com/NBA-Champions-1999-Avery-Johnson/dp/B00G4E0772/
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Quote:

Forced my newborn son to watch it on YouTube with me last week.


Ive got game 5 of the 05 finals on vhs somewhere.
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superunknown said:

Quote:

Forced my newborn son to watch it on YouTube with me last week.


Ive got game 5 of the 05 finals on vhs somewhere.


Game still stresses me out watching the replay lol.
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Yeah i don't think I've ever seen it while sitting down. Always got the "watch while nervously pace" move going on.
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https://theringer.com/san-antonio-spurs-jonathon-simmons-farewell-orlando-magic-6d4d7cee38e3

I'm leaning with his 'Spurs are plotting for the 2018 offseason' possible reason.
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Pumpkinhead said:

https://theringer.com/san-antonio-spurs-jonathon-simmons-farewell-orlando-magic-6d4d7cee38e3

I'm leaning with his 'Spurs are plotting for the 2018 offseason' possible reason.


LBJ loves Pop and has been seen hanging out with Dejounte Murray.

Just throwing it out there in the world.....
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Guitarsoup said:


MAAANNUUUU!!!!
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