HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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Anyway the spurs could make a move for Avery Bradley or jar crowder? Celts are supposedly shopping both along with Marcus smart in order to make room for Hayward.

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Aren't they trying to create cap space? After Danny's $10mm contact, our next biggest is Kyle's $2mm.

If they'd take Tony for Jae+Avery, if do it in a heartbeat. Danny+Kyle+Forbes world, too.

We also have $0 cap room until we do something with Manu and Pau

We could create the room to absorb both contracts if Patty hasn't signed yet.

It looks like the Celtics could possibly just do a S&T with the Jazz if Hayward agrees to it.

Looks like Bryn didn't appreciate this thread. Nice game for him

duck79 said:

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Looks like Bryn didn't appreciate this thread. Nice game for him

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Any updates on Murray? How has he looked through the first couple of games? Does it look like his shot has improved any?

GatorAg03 said:

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Any updates on Murray? How has he looked through the first couple of games? Does it look like his shot has improved any?

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He took a couple open 3s but missed them both, so tough to judge his jumper on two shots. He was much better with the ball and didn't have any turnovers that I can remember. He had 10 rebounds which you gotta love out of your PG. played excellent on ball defense. He got into the paint at will, created opportunities for others (would have had a bunch of assists with competent big men), and got to the free throw line several times. The bad was that he finished 0-10 from the field. For as easily as he can get into the paint, he really struggled to finish. Had a few that were unlucky, but you still gotta get those to fall.

Edit: just looked and he had 4 assists and 2 turnovers. Easily could have been closer to 7 or 8 assist if guys could finish down low.

Offensively Murray was terrible tonight, worse than the previous game. Bad turnovers, worse shots, pointless drives. He did have a few good kickouts in that a pass arrived at an open shooter, but several of them would have been turnovers against average NBA defense. He consistently either jumps or turns away from the basket before making the kickout pass. In the NBA defenders will jump the passing lanes and because he's already in that awkward position he'll have to decide between traveling, throwing it away, or flipping a shot up over his head. For some reason it really bothers me that his body language looks supremely confident but his game is so shaky.

Defensively he was better than last game. He didn't have the steals, but he also maintained better position and didn't get ragdolled.

Other players:
Obviously Forbes was the story of the game. He looked determined to score and had no problem doing it. Nice array of shots. Hit a couple catch and shot threes curling off a screen, twisting floaters and pullups at about 12', layups from isolation, and set shots. That's what a player with a year of NBA experience should look like.

Lalanne is still terrible. LJC is still a much worse player than his physical talent would suggest. White got less opportunity this game, but continued to look at home generally making the right plays. Blossomgame looked better, though still extremely average.

Bertans looks like he has shaken off the rust and been working on driving to his left. Had a nice running lefty floater from the baseline to go with a flurry of threes.

EDIT: to add that Murray did rebound well and maybe I'm being too critical. But right now he's being judged less as a raw 30th pick in his second season and more as a potential starting point guard and maybe even part of the reason we didn't spend the money to bring in George Hill. By the first standards he's trading water; by the second he's in way over his head.

Murray's being pushed by the coaching staff to create. Problem is, the other teams are camping in the passing lanes for his throws.

In the regular season, he'd just take the scoring opportunities and roll with it, but he's being pushed to pass no matter what in SL.

Will be interesting to see things progress.

Roberson re-signs with OKC for 3 years $30 million. Pretty nice bargain contract under the new salary cap. OKC will be pretty salty I think.

George, Adams and Roberson is a pretty solid defensive core and Westbrook gives them plenty of scoring.

Yea after GSW I'm most worried about OKC matchup-wise.

Not sure he's a fit because of his size, but the pacers just released Monta Ellis

The_chum said:

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Not sure he's a fit because of his size, but the pacers just released Monta Ellis

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Volume shooter that plays questionable defense at best probably isn't a great Spurs match. If he can come cheap and is willing to be part of the second team, sure.


I'd rather see if we can land JaMychel Green.

what is stevie nash doing these days? could we get nash and narwitzski together?

I DVR'd the game just watched it. The guys really bounced back. I thought Forbes looked pretty comfy in game one but last night he really lit it up. Murray looked better even though he couldnt get anything to fall. He is clearly talented. Some of his one on one play making is pretty exceptional. If he had bigs who could finish he easily racks up nice assist numbers. Bertans looked very good. White looked pretty comfortable.

All in all, the gaurds and Bertans looked very good considering they were playing a Boston team with two top 3 picks. It will be interesting to see them against Philly tonight.

The front court is a mystery to me because the playing time is there to taken. Of all the summer league bigs I've got to say Jefferson or Whittington maybe have shown something to warrant a camp invite. Jefferson is a big guy and battles hard. Whittington can shoot. All the other guys look like g leaguers at best.

DSAg44 said:

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what is stevie nash doing these days? could we get nash and narwitzski together?

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How about Eduardo Najera while we're at it?

GatorAg03 said:

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Roberson re-signs with OKC for 3 years $30 million. Pretty nice bargain contract under the new salary cap. OKC will be pretty salty I think.

George, Adams and Roberson is a pretty solid defensive core and Westbrook gives them plenty of scoring.

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And they added Patrick Patterson who was a good pickup for them who helps their depth. Patterson is regarded as a good versatile defender who made 36% of his threes last year as well, so he is a decent shooter.

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AustinAg2012 said:

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DSAg44 said:

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what is stevie nash doing these days? could we get nash and narwitzski together?

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How about Eduardo Najera while we're at it?

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dirk resigned with the mav*****

Kelly O off the list. Same contract as Patty.

I wonder if we were even interested in him. I sure would have liked to add him to our rotation.

Well, we signed Rudy Gay.

Edit - West beat me to it

Is this MLE money? Also, can we still match Simmons offers without going into luxury tax territory?

I was pretty against signing Gay, but holy crap that's a heck of a deal we got him for.

If he's healthy I really like this deal. We have a real, polished bench scorer now.

Apparently they used the MLE and they still have room to match Simmons and develop a new contract for Pau. I just saw that on Twitter so no guarantees to the accuracy so I guess we'll see.

Enzo The Baker said:

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Is this MLE money? Also, can we still match Simmons offers without going into luxury tax territory?

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Yes it is MLE money. We signed him for non-tax payer exception, so I think we get hard capped to not have luxury tax.

Impossible to know final level without knowing what happens with Dedmon, Lee, Manu, Simmons and Gasol.

I don't see this having any impact on Simmons either way. What this does is allows Mills to potentially be the starter with Gay being the offensive spark for the bench.

So some things to ponder.

-how well will Gay recover from a ruptured achillies?
-how does he fit next to Kawhi? I'm not too worried about him dominating the ball with the bench unit, but he's gonna be a second or third option when on the floor with Kawhi. -assuming our goal with this signing to was to try and matchup with some of the small ball lineups we see (warriors), who does he defend?

All I want to know is do the Spurs still have a path to signing Lebron and Deandre Jordan next summer while keeping LMA.

Murray, Kawhi, Lebron, LMA, Deandre would be a fun starting lineup.

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What history tells us is that he will not be as good at slashing/jumping. Shouldn't hurt his shot much, though. Everyone is different, but it isn't really the injury you want to see from an athletic wing.

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-how does he fit next to Kawhi? I'm not too worried about him dominating the ball with the bench unit, but he's gonna be a second or third option when on the floor with Kawhi.

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I think he fits fine. He played 40% of his minutes at PF last year and hit 38% of his corner threes. I think he will play more PF/Stretch 4 and less wing next year, especially if he isn't jumping as well. Kawhi will likely spend a lot of the season playing a point-ish type position.

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-assuming our goal with this signing to was to try and matchup with some of the small ball lineups we see (warriors), who does he defend?

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He isn't an elite defender by any means, but I think we match him up with Draymond primarily. Maybe even against whoever their post scrub is. Even if Zaza vs Gay is a mismatch, it isn't like GSW is going to waste time exploiting it with Durant/Curry on the floor.

Against Houston, he's probably a better bet than LMA to guard Anderson or Ariza and he helps us match up against them better.