GatorAg03 said:

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Wow, calm down there champ and to compare me with Azul. Talk about over-reacting.

LMA was a smart move at the time but has proven to be a terrible signing. Is he the worst ever? Perhaps, perhaps not but it certainly hasn't worked out well.

Green is a good system defender and a decent one on one defender. He also benefits greatly by playing in the Spurs system and by having with Duncan and Leonard.

You are arguing over semantics and word usage. Both LMA and Green are on the trade block for a reason. They both have deficits that can be possibly upgraded to make the Spurs better.

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I'm arguing over word usage because you keep using idiotic words to incorrectly explain the Spurs.

LMA was not even in the same universe of being the worst signing in Spurs history. They've won 128 games the last two seasons with him as our 2nd option. It isn't a debate. "Perhaps, perhaps not" my nutsack. You're wrong. So incredibly wrong.

Can you win a championship with him as your second option? No, you really can't, especially when this iteration of the Warriors exists. He's on the trading block because he is a whiny, stats-driven little beitch, not because he is washed up. If he could put aside his giant ego and play as part of the team, Kawhi/Aldridge/CP3 would be an absolute nightmare, even for the Warriors.

GatorAg03 said:

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Wow, calm down there champ and to compare me with Azul. Talk about over-reacting.

LMA was a smart move at the time but has proven to be a terrible signing. Is he the worst ever? Perhaps, perhaps not but it certainly hasn't worked out well.

Green is a good system defender and a decent one on one defender. He also benefits greatly by playing in the Spurs system and by having with Duncan and Leonard.

You are arguing over semantics and word usage. Both LMA and Green are on the trade block for a reason. They both have deficits that can be possibly upgraded to make the Spurs better.

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Green and LMA are on the trade block for wildly different reasons. LMA due to not living up to the lofty standards we have for SA big men (and having a ****ty attitude). Green due to being one of the preeminent 3 and D specialists in the league at a terrific value.

tbirdspur2010 said:

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GatorAg03 said:

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Wow, calm down there champ and to compare me with Azul. Talk about over-reacting.

LMA was a smart move at the time but has proven to be a terrible signing. Is he the worst ever? Perhaps, perhaps not but it certainly hasn't worked out well.

Green is a good system defender and a decent one on one defender. He also benefits greatly by playing in the Spurs system and by having with Duncan and Leonard.

You are arguing over semantics and word usage. Both LMA and Green are on the trade block for a reason. They both have deficits that can be possibly upgraded to make the Spurs better.

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Green and LMA are on the trade block for wildly different reasons. LMA due to not living up to the lofty standards we have for SA big men (and having a ****ty attitude). Green due to being one of the preeminent 3 and D specialists in the league at a terrific value.

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Thank you!

If Danny Green could drive the paint and finish, he would be a max contract player.

A lot of guys in the NBA don't have an elite skill to their name. Danny Green is an elite wing defender. He can handle the 1-3. In today's NBA, where you get called for a foul for looking at guards the wrong way, he has carved out a space on a championship level team by being THAT good at defense.

He's on the block because he took a below market deal that is proving to be one of the best values in the league for a player with his experience.

The Danny Green and LMA war of aggression in quotes from Obi Wan Ginobil in the two Spurs threads this year. We obviously have real smart internet tough guy here:

All you idiots crowing about dumping Danny Green last season are going to find out just how much this team needs him and Kawhi on the wings at the same time.
I meant every syllable.

Danny Green struggled from 3 last year, which is his only redeeming quality on offense, and he still came out as a net positive because his defense is that good.

He's big enough to guard SG's and SF's, and disciplined/long enough to guard PG's when needed. There's not a lot of players in the NBA who can do that.
All the people crowing last season about trading/benching him are idiots.
I'll admit, however, that he needs to get back to 40% from deep. If he is a threat to drop bombs, Pau and Aldridge are going to bludgeon other teams to death down low. This starting 5 is going to be deadly on offense.

Simpletwat switching up handles again?

The most realistic thing that is going to happen? We are going to roll with him for another year and see if he opts in to the final year of his deal next summer.

In fact, if you ever catch me on a Rockets thread spewing some weak sauce like you bring to the table, do me a favor and shoot me in the junk repeatedly until I'm dead.

It's a Spurs thread, dummy. I can say whatever I want about the Rockets, like how Har_en gargles Kawhi's tater tots and your pizza delivery boy coach is Popovich's man servant.

I can't imagine my team being so terrible that I need to troll my "rivals" threads. And I use "rivals" as loosely as possible, because Houston hasn't been relevant in over 20 years.

Calm the **** down, idiot. It's an alternate logo. Every team has them

Goodness you're a horrible ****ing poster.

You suck at internetting. It is known.

Do you read the **** you type before you post it?

Moron. Jackass.

but you sound like a scorned woman with this "worse than Dick Jefferson" talk

I really don't give a **** about any of you opinions.

You're the worst thing to happen to the Spurs since .04

I wonder if staff would answer honestly if I sent them an email and asked them how many times you've flagged one of my posts where I **** all over you. That list must be six pages long.

Maybe it will help some of these so called "fans" realize he's a steal at $10 million per season. 2nd team defense and above league average 3 point shooting.

But ya, lets be desperate to move the exact kind of player you need to compete with the Warriors.
Go find a single quote were I said "LMA was doing great". Seriously, go do it. You just make so much stupid **** up, prove it one time. I said LMA isn't the "worse signing the Spurs have ever made", which are your exact words.

You lose all credibility when you say **** like he is "decent on defense". Dude just got All-NBA second team, but he's only decent? Did he **** your sister in the ass and then make her ride a bike home? Why the hate?
YOU ARE UNDERRATING HIM EVERY TIME YOU SAY HE IS OVERPAID AND ONLY A "DECENT" DEFENDER.

Are you drunk? Is this the twilight zone?

Great take, Jim Rome.

He is going to be traded in part because of Simmons emergence and because his 3pt % has declined the last two years and he is getting older.

He is a tradable asset as well, with his contract, but if he had been shooting 40% from 3pt range I don't think he would be on the block.

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He is going to be traded in part because of Simmons emergence and because his 3pt % has declined the last two years and he is getting older.

He is a tradable asset as well, with his contract, but if he had been shooting 40% from 3pt range I don't think he would be on the block.

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Simmons is a completely different skill set. He brings energy, slashing, and athleticism. He is not Green's peer on the defensive end.

And be careful of your narrative RE: Green's 3P%. It actually went up this past season. Main reason it's gone down since 2014 is the style of the Spurs' gameplay has changed since his high watermark percentages 2012-2014. We've become a more ball-dominant team and less "beautiful game" with the blossoming of Kawhi's game and the addition of LMA. He's not getting 5 3 point shots a game anymore.

Finally, at the end of the day, Green's value to this team has always, always, always been predicated upon his defense. Main reason he cracked the rotation and has maintained his role despite his variance in offense. Tbh, any offense we get from him is gravy. We win at a terrific clip when he's fulfilling his primary role as a defender. We're unstoppable when he gets streaky, but it's not something we were but to count on and it's not what he's asked to do.

It went up a point or two but still wasn't what was expected/hoped for which is 40%+ and one of the better shooters in the league.

While I agree Simmons defense is different, more of a one on one defender vice system defender. I think there defense capabilities is pretty much a wash. You lose 3pt % with Simmons but gain slashing ability.

I agree with you about the style of play hurting Green, and said the same above, but if they aren't going to use him like they did previously and are going more iso heavy then his Spurs value also declines.

Again, I'm fine if they keep him or ditch him, but the Spurs FO is wise to have him and LMA on he trade block and he isn't irreplaceable.

You claim I'm high on Aldridge, so I tell you to go back and quote me saying that. You then spend an hour copy/pasting quotes that have nothing to do with him.

Awesome.

Yeah, I lost focus when insult after insult kept popping up with your name init. It really took no time at all, as it was on just two threads. You love to insult and argue semantics.

Are you down on LMA like the rest of us and the Spurs FO? Is so then we all agree. It is semantics to argue if it was the worst signing or just a poor signing. Either way it has been worse than planned and he will be traded.

Green had another below expectations year from the 3pt line and is also on the trade block.

It's no surprise that the two starters who played the worst these playoffs are on the block. Spurs are looking to upgrade both positions if possible.

And yes Green and Simmons would be nice, but it likely isn't happening and Simmons showed he can likely assume that role and is younger and probably cheaper.

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It went up a point or two but still wasn't what was expected/hoped for which is 40%+ and one of the better shooters in the league.

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Actually, it went up .047%. Statistically significant. Even moreso considering his shooting was better over the 2nd half of the season.

And, again, 40% is nice, but is NOT the expectation of Green per se. It is an added benefit. To argue otherwise is to misunderstand his role. Think more Bruce Bowen and less Klay Thompson.

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if they aren't going to use him like they did previously and are going more iso heavy then his Spurs value also declines.

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They used him initially as primarily a defender. He saw an uptick in touches/offensive production with the Beautiful Game, but it was always a side benefit. His true Spurs value is as a defender, both in the iso-heavy attack and "summertime" style. And he has continued to live up to his value regardless of style.

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I'm fine if they keep him or ditch him, but the Spurs FO is wise to have him and LMA on he trade block and he isn't irreplaceable.

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Never said he was irreplaceable. But he IS elite. And I already said it's a good idea to shop him, because his value will get some looks. But he is on the trading block for very different reasons than the big t-sip.

His whole schtick is making everybody feel inferior to him, because obi wan is supposedly smarter than the GM and knows it

Obi Wan Ginobili said:

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azulAg said:

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His whole schtick is making everybody feel inferior to him, because obi wan is supposedly smarter than the GM and knows it

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Says the guy who doesn't want LeBron because ticket prices would go up and it wouldn't be "satisfying".

You ARE inferior when it comes to anything basketball related.

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Wait...........WUT?

blueAg, is this true?

And for the record, I don't claim to have insight that others don't. I'm just a diehard fan, who watches every game. I see the same things that you could see if you opened your eyes and watched.

I disagree with several things that Gator says, but he is at least trying to use statistics and anecdotal knowledge of the team. Azul just flat out sound like I little girl playing favorites.

That's amazing. I mean, I'm not a fan of LeBron (not a hater of his, either), and have rooted against his team every single Finals he's made, and I would literally jump for joy if PATFO wrangled him into a Spurs uniform somehow lol.

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No doubt we would win many rings with lebron on spurs, would hate the bandwagons that come with him, spurs game ticket prices would skyrocket, and we might never get to see Kawhi become the Leader of the team

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Oh dear God you were serious, and so was he.

Azul, bro, let's put this all behind us.

We're all still Spurs fans, right?

I don't hate lebron, I think outside basketball he is a stand up guy and a great role model. I would just like to see kawhi take the team to a Chip instead of lebron

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I don't hate lebron, I think outside basketball he is a stand up guy and a great role model. I would just like to see kawhi take the team to a Chip instead of lebron

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I just want to see River parade numero seis. Y siete. Y ocho. Y nue-- you get the picture lol.

I truly DGAF who happens to be in the riverboats as they pass by. It's fun and personally gratifying that our stars have been so easy to root for as people and as basketball players, but winning is more fun than even that at the end of the day.

azulAg said:

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I don't hate lebron, I think outside basketball he is a stand up guy and a great role model. I would just like to see kawhi take the team to a Chip instead of lebron

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LeBron has 40,000 minutes on his frame, and he lives to pass the ball. It would be Kawhi's team and Kawhi would be taking the meaningful shots.

All of this is moot though, cause the unicorn is going to one of the LA teams to finish his career.

I never thought I'd see this, but Garnett is in SA to show support for Timmy during his trial. Apparently some of the investments made by Duncan's advisor were tied up with Garnett's.

I am disappointed that Garnett isn't holding a basketball for effect like his Area 21 show, however. But maybe he couldn't bring one into the courtroom.

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ESPN's Marc Stein first reported that the Spurs are attempting to create salary-cap flexibility to pursue Chris Paul this summer, and a combo acquisition of the Clippers' All-Star point guard and Iguodala has been discussed internally, sources say. The Spurs have made LaMarcus Aldridge and Danny Greenavailable for trades, according to sources.

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I'd rather have Green than Iggy.

tbirdspur2010 said:

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azulAg said:

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I don't hate lebron, I think outside basketball he is a stand up guy and a great role model. I would just like to see kawhi take the team to a Chip instead of lebron

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I just want to see River parade numero seis. Y siete. Y ocho. Y nue-- you get the picture lol.

I truly DGAF who happens to be in the riverboats as they pass by. It's fun and personally gratifying that our stars have been so easy to root for as people and as basketball players, but winning is more fun than even that at the end of the day.

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i get that

Agree. Iggy has too many miles. Not worth spending on unless your goal is only to compete the next year or two. Danny has more tread on the tires.

I like getting Iggy to back up Simmons for a few reasons.

* He brings all the knowledge of the Cavs with him
* He severely hurts the Cavs depth
* He is a good distributor off the bench and already has bought into the team system the Spurs play
* Still a very good defender
* Played very clutch in their runs

We could do a lot worse than Iggy, if indeed we deal Green and land PG3. Since playing for GS he's shot 35% from 3, and he's still averaging over 5 rebounds and almost 5 assists per 36, even at age 33. As mentioned above, he's still an excellent defender, still has play making to take the load off of Manu and a 2nd year Murray, still has the ability to finish at the rim, and he shoots it just well enough from 3 to make other teams respect him. Get him for a couple years to chase another title and help ease Simmons into a bigger role and teach White how to be an NBA wing.