*** THE MANDALORIAN - Season 1 ***

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Brian Earl Spilner
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Other words? No, my words. That is what I said.

You seem to be getting pretty defensive about this, but not sure why. You can enjoy a thing and also criticize it.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Other words? No, my words. That is what I said.

You seem to be getting pretty defensive about this, but not sure why. You can enjoy a thing and also criticize it.


I'm not offensive. I'm trying to understand your point of view.
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I don't think comparing a show like Mandalorian to a comedy is apples to apples. Does a show like that even really need season long plot?

Of course this show is worth watching, because it's good. I don't know if it's reaching its full potential. It's like a QB throwing 300 yards and 3 TD in a solid win, but he also missed 2 wide open guys that would have made it a blowout.

I do wonder if this type of (minor) criticism would have happened if the Baby wasn't part of the show. That character alone changes how many of us view the show, and our expectations, imo.
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Who is comparing it to a comedy?
Brian Earl Spilner
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Well, let me summarize my pov this way.

It feels like they wrote probably about 2 hours worth of story (ie a movie), and then added some filler and stretched it out over 8 episodes.

Once the season is over I'm sure the overall story will work pretty well.
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Foxymophandlemama said:

Who is comparing it to a comedy?


The Orville is a comedy. Took too long to type out my reply
wangus12
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You guys most have really struggled with TV about 15 years ago and before when all tv shows were like there. Everything was serialized. None of the long arc stories like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. Nearly everything was episode based with possibly some small background story going the whole season.
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redline248 said:

Foxymophandlemama said:

Who is comparing it to a comedy?


The Orville is a comedy. Took too long to type out my reply


It's billed as a comedy but it's really not.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Precisely why I'm glad to have lived through the golden age of tv. (The 2010s)
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Well, let me summarize my pov this way.

It feels like they wrote probably about 2 hours worth of story (ie a movie), and then added some filler and stretched it out over 8 episodes.

Once the season is over I'm sure the overall story will work pretty well.


And why is that a problem?
Brian Earl Spilner
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Why do you need me to explain myself again? I've literally answered this.

Let's agree to disagree and move on.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Why do you need me to explain myself again? I've literally answered this.

Let's agree to disagree and move on.


Ok. I still don't understand your issue but that's cool.
Brian Earl Spilner
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How about this, instead of going around in circles, what did you enjoy about the episode? (Outside of all the cool references and easter eggs.)
redline248
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I, for one, like that the rookie shot her instead of letting her go and being double crossed by her, as usually happens in that situation.
Brian Earl Spilner
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I did like that. Especially considering that he was introduced just like Han was.
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Foxymophandlemama said:

They seem to be doing well with the audience. What more do you want?

I'm not picking on you. I'm just trying to understand your point of view and it's hard to do that in this format.

Why must it have more plot?

I'll take the bait...

  • I've said this before, but there's just no emotion. Every single character is seemingly the most stoic of their tribe/species, and the ones who aren't are either goofballs or bad actors (both of which we got in this latest episode via Amy Sedaris and the wannabe bounty hunter, respectively). As I've said before, it doesn't help that the main character is STILL behind a mask for a seemingly manufactured reason (story-wise). I would honestly find this series at least 10% better if we could actually see Pedro Pascal's face and connect with his facial expressions. One of the main points of storytelling is to elicit empathy from the audience, but they're handicapping the hell out themselves when we can't even see the main character's face. Even the prequels had more emotion/feeling than this series so far.
  • The dialogue isn't bad, but it's not good either. Again, nearly every exchange comes across like it's a cut scene from a video game; generic, on the nose, and/or cliched. And if it's not any of those, it's just flat out vanilla. If wanting better dialogue makes me pretentious or needy, so be it.
  • The acting, at times, feels broader than anything we've seen in Star Wars before (save for Jar Jar, of course). I've been really surprised at how hammy and networky some of the side characters have been.
  • The show feels needlessly rushed for a format that doesn't have to adhere to a restrictive time length. Relationships either aren't developed or feel like we missed about five steps between "Nice to meet you" and friends/lovers. Similarly, the plot lines simply aren't allowed to breathe. I don't need hour-long episodes, but another 10-15 minutes each episode would do wonders.
  • As has been mentioned already, the "monster of the week" format is starting to feel like stalling. The only reason Star Trek, The X-Files, or basically any network show is episodic in nature is to make it easier for audiences to jump in at any time. You don't need to know anything to get hooked. But here, for an eight-episode series, the format makes no sense. I'm all for "complete" episodes that have a beginning, middle, and end, but not when it plays more to network TV than it does to cable (and I don't mean that in a "PG" sense, but rather the tone/vibe/structure).
  • Mando constantly waivers between being very good at his job and very bad at his job. If he needlessly leaves Baby Yoda in yet another easy-to-escape/not-looked-after situation one more time, I'm reporting him to CPS. Seriously, though, it's just getting old at this point.

In short, five episodes in, I can confidentially say that this show is average at best. I still like it, find parts of it entertaining, think it's beautifully shot, am stunned by the effects work, and want to see where it goes, but I think a lot people are giving it too much slack simply because it's servicing their Star Wars kick in easter egg-ish fashion, not because it's actually a well-developed show.

To me, your "Geez! Why can't you just like it?!" attitude is just as weird as you think the "haters" are being. We want it to be better BECAUSE we love Star Wars.
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MuckRaker96 said:

Guys, it could be 4 hours of padme and rey full on makeout session and someone would gripe about camera angles and TC would say the script he read had more organic interplay. If you create something, someone will critique it. Just human nature.

When it comes to crass/blunt/tired/non-constructive criticism, I'm right there with you. But I will never understand your attitude that we should all either love everything or keep quiet. To me, that's such a weird, dystopian approach to message boards. Again, people who just sh*t on stuff to sh*t on stuff, have weird/political biases they won't stop belaboring, or simply want to ruin the fun for everyone - screw those guys. But if someone wants to explain why something didn't or isn't working for them, in a rational, level-headed way, why would we not invite that? Why does it always have to be sunshine and roses, especially when it comes to Star Wars?
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When does the next season of clone wars come out?
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

How about this, instead of going around in circles, what did you enjoy about the episode? (Outside of all the cool references and easter eggs.)

Seeing the cantina again was super cool. It was especially interesting seeing it AFTER the OT. I wanted to walk over to the bounty hunter wannabe and exclaim, "Did you know that beginning of the end of the Empire began right here in this booth!?"

I also really liked the speeders. Not only did they look awesome, but it was nice change of pace from seeing Mando either have to ride some slow animal or hoof it across miles of terrain.
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I wish the last shot of the episode was the binary sunset...
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I wish the last shot of the episode was the binary sunset...


Same. Even when she said the "suns" were rising and we were still denied both
TCTTS
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Yeah, surprised we didn't get that.
The Collective
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So, guess Filoni is not the savior since some of you don't approve.
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As a director, I guess he did fine. Did he write the script for that episode? Whoever did, it wasn't his or her best effort.

Personally, I like Filoni, but don't like everything he's done.
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The Collective
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I believe he wrote and directed this episode.
Rudyjax
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This is Star Wars. And they're better at it than anything else.

But that was a very good and legitimate criticism. Thank you.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Why do you need me to explain myself again? I've literally answered this.

Let's agree to disagree and move on.


I thought, that was an entertaining half hour.
Brian Earl Spilner
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It is a little disappointing that his two episodes have been my least favorite thus far.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

It is a little disappointing that his two episodes have been my least favorite thus far.


Are pilot episodes ever anyone's favorite? I did think it was a pretty solid pilot, though.
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MuckRaker96 said:

Guys, it could be 4 hours of padme and rey full on makeout session and someone would gripe about camera angles and TC would say the script he read had more organic interplay. If you create something, someone will critique it. Just human nature.

When it comes to crass/blunt/tired/non-constructive criticism, I'm right there with you. But I will never understand your attitude that we should all either love everything or keep quiet. To me, that's such a weird, dystopian approach to message boards. Again, people who just sh*t on stuff to sh*t on stuff, have weird/political biases they won't stop belaboring, or simply want to ruin the fun for everyone - screw those guys. But if someone wants to explain why something didn't or isn't working for them, in a rational, level-headed way, why would we not invite that? Why does it always have to be sunshine and roses, especially when it comes to Star Wars?


I just spent $2,361 to get a 3-month old dog's eyeball fixed after getting scratched by a cat so whatever you're saying about me let's just assume you are right and I'm passive aggressive and whatever else needs to fit into this space. I'm just trying to lighten the mood, using your name in jest isn't me trying to irk you or make you feel bad. Truth be told I just want to see the movie hear the soundtrack geek out with spilner about it and get to work on the 9 million piece Lego yoda ths TV my daughter is going to open in 19 days. I've got nothing against you, rose, jarjar, the ewok who clearly says "that guys wise: in return of the jedi, dak, the dumb special edition wampa, kittster and his failed high five with wald after anakin wins boonta eve. Coleman trebor for freezing up when he could have taken dookus head off or anything else. I just want my damn star wars already.
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100% that guy's wise
 
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