schmendeler said:

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bobinator said:

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MW03 said:

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I think that's the point of the interaction between Dr. Ford and the tech that had covered up the host. Dr. Ford would tell you exactly that their feelings aren't real within the narratives because "they only feel what we tell them to feel" or whatever he said.

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He says they aren't real, but they seem to be pretty real to the hosts.

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Ford says that after the first year, their hosts were passing turing tests. so, if a human being can't tell the emotions aren't real, who's to say they aren't?

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MW03 said:

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schmendeler said:

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bobinator said:

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MW03 said:

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I think that's the point of the interaction between Dr. Ford and the tech that had covered up the host. Dr. Ford would tell you exactly that their feelings aren't real within the narratives because "they only feel what we tell them to feel" or whatever he said.

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He says they aren't real, but they seem to be pretty real to the hosts.

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Ford says that after the first year, their hosts were passing turing tests. so, if a human being can't tell the emotions aren't real, who's to say they aren't?

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The question, in other words, is does the perception of a thing define the reality of that thing.

I'd offer that whether a unit can pass a turing test isn't indicative of whether the host is actually emoting or not. Dr. Ford doesn't think they are, while Bernard thinks Delores actually does. Or at least is beginning to. Does emotion signify true existence anyway? On the other hand, if she's truly in an existential crisis, and if she is doubting the nature of her existence at its foundation, you could say that she is real. Cue Decartes.

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LHIOB said:

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If Bernard is a Host then the story of his son is a backstory which would make sense given that it was introduced in the same episode that they focused on backstories. If this is the case, is Bernard aware he is a Host?

We have seen Ford control the hosts with his hands (the snake and the piano player) and his voice (Wild Bill and the child). Has there been an instance that he may have controlled Bernard that we did not pick up on because it was so subtle?

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schmendeler said:

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MW03 said:

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schmendeler said:

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bobinator said:

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MW03 said:

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I think that's the point of the interaction between Dr. Ford and the tech that had covered up the host. Dr. Ford would tell you exactly that their feelings aren't real within the narratives because "they only feel what we tell them to feel" or whatever he said.

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He says they aren't real, but they seem to be pretty real to the hosts.

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Ford says that after the first year, their hosts were passing turing tests. so, if a human being can't tell the emotions aren't real, who's to say they aren't?

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The question, in other words, is does the perception of a thing define the reality of that thing.

I'd offer that whether a unit can pass a turing test isn't indicative of whether the host is actually emoting or not. Dr. Ford doesn't think they are, while Bernard thinks Delores actually does. Or at least is beginning to. Does emotion signify true existence anyway? On the other hand, if she's truly in an existential crisis, and if she is doubting the nature of her existence at its foundation, you could say that she is real. Cue Decartes.

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do we really experience emotions? or is it just a response to stimuli and hormones released by the body in response to those stimuli?

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MW03 said:

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LHIOB said:

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If Bernard is a Host then the story of his son is a backstory which would make sense given that it was introduced in the same episode that they focused on backstories. If this is the case, is Bernard aware he is a Host?

We have seen Ford control the hosts with his hands (the snake and the piano player) and his voice (Wild Bill and the child). Has there been an instance that he may have controlled Bernard that we did not pick up on because it was so subtle?

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Ford would have had to have given Bernard the "reveries" because we actually saw him have memories of his son, which would be interesting. And there were times when Ford did dismiss Bernard easily mid-conversation, but that could just as easily be because Ford is the director and Bernard's mentor.

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OldArmy71 said:

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If Bernard is a robot with implanted memories of his son (as in Blade Runner) how do we explain the conversation with his wife?

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LHIOB said:

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MW03 said:

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LHIOB said:

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If Bernard is a Host then the story of his son is a backstory which would make sense given that it was introduced in the same episode that they focused on backstories. If this is the case, is Bernard aware he is a Host?

We have seen Ford control the hosts with his hands (the snake and the piano player) and his voice (Wild Bill and the child). Has there been an instance that he may have controlled Bernard that we did not pick up on because it was so subtle?

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Ford would have had to have given Bernard the "reveries" because we actually saw him have memories of his son, which would be interesting. And there were times when Ford did dismiss Bernard easily mid-conversation, but that could just as easily be because Ford is the director and Bernard's mentor.

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They wouldn't have to be reveries if Bernard never actually had a son and he only knows his own backstory. Much like Delores knows how to paint, who her father is, etc. Bernard's backstory could include the story of his son. Exactly how Teddy suddenly knew about his past dealing with Wyatt. Teddy didnt just remember it, it was programmed.

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TCTTS said:

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Their theory is that Theresa knows as well, by the way she kind of dismisses him in bed.

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bobinator said:

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If only Ford knows, I imagine that (google tells me her name is...) Theresa is going to be writing a strongly worded letter to HR at some point.

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amercer said:

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bobinator said:

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If only Ford knows, I imagine that (google tells me her name is...) Theresa is going to be writing a strongly worded letter to HR at some point.

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Having your head of host programming be a sex bot, seems like a bad idea

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amercer said:

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I think he's real and his goal is to resurrect his son.

Ford is giving the hosts religion after all...

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bobinator said:

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In fact, until the last scene, this episode almost looked like it was running backwards for her. She digs up a gun, then she has a gun in her dresser, then she pulls the gun off of the outlaw guy. Seems like the natural order would have been, get the gun, hide it in the house, bury the evidence. To be fair, I didn't notice the details enough to see if this is the same gun, but I assume it is.

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That's something straight out of Memento right there. Props for coming up with a real theory that I haven't even seen on Reddit.

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Interesting take. Wonder who wrote the original short story for that film....

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LHIOB said:

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If Bernard is a Host then the story of his son is a backstory which would make sense given that it was introduced in the same episode that they focused on backstories. If this is the case, is Bernard aware he is a Host?

We have seen Ford control the hosts with his hands (the snake and the piano player) and his voice (Wild Bill and the child). Has there been an instance that he may have controlled Bernard that we did not pick up on because it was so subtle?

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bangobango said:

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Probably already mentioned, but Teddy lights those axe murderers up with his gun at the end and they all barely flinch. So, I guess the implication is that five or six guests decided to join a murdering cult?

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