*** WESTWORLD Season 1 (HBO) ***

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drewbie08
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9:15a, 10/11/16
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This show is absolutely fascinating! We had a free weekend HBO promotion, and now I'll probably have to get HBO just so I can continue watching this show.

So I get the bullets are different and they can't harm the guests, but how do they cause normal harm to the hosts? There was some pretty intense violence inflicted upon hosts by other hosts.

I think the place is either an island on Earth or on a terraformed Mars. Problem with the latter is that would take much longer than by the end of the 21st century. The Delos globe in the lobby on floor Sub-83 makes me wonder however.

If the "host's" body is underground in the park operations center, how can they be out in the actual park itself? I understand that when a host gets "damaged" they bring them back in to clean them up. But how does it work when they talk to them in the glass rooms? Like Dolores and her dad? Are there two bodies?
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In reply to mhayden • 9:16a, 10/11/16
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free_mhayden said:
Could be that the MIB is an in-world "debugger". Push the limits and see if someone could conceivably "break" the game.
I'd think everyone at central command would know who he is then.
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In reply to drewbie08 • 9:54a, 10/11/16
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They take the host out of the "game", they don't have 2 units
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In reply to LHIOB • 9:59a, 10/11/16
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LHIOB said:
They take the host out of the "game", they don't have 2 units
It just seemed to happen very quickly. The host was there on the street having a malfunction and it seemed like they were talking to her in the operations center at the same time.
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10:06a, 10/11/16
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This show definitely requires a lot of suspension of disbelief.
There are a lot of things that just don't hold up under any level of scrutiny....still a cool concept.
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In reply to drewbie08 • 10:07a, 10/11/16
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They were interspacing the end of the day interview with events of the day
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In reply to RedbeardAG • 10:07a, 10/11/16
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you don't hold up to scrutiny!
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drewbie08
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In reply to amercer • 10:08a, 10/11/16
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Ah, that makes more sense.

I assume we will learn more how it all works as the season progresses.
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10:20a, 10/11/16
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A Michael Crichton story requires suspension of disbelief? Why can't people just enjoy TV for what it is - entertainment.
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In reply to LHIOB • 10:24a, 10/11/16
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It is good tv, and I am enjoying it. Still, great SciFi is usually based on a plausible future. Almost every problem people have mentioned goes away if you set the show far enough in the future. If it's only 50 years from now, then most technology will still be related to what we have today. Way better, but probably not unrecognizable.
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In reply to LHIOB • 10:28a, 10/11/16
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For me, like what Ford said about the park, a lot of the enjoyment is in the details so I love discussing them. That's part of the entertainment.

Plus I love fan theories. The more insane-but-somehow-plausible the better.
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10:36a, 10/11/16
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I like to think about what I would do if I was in that park. I'd like to play an old fashioned poker game in that bar until the sun comes up then maybe go on a cattle drive. Damn, I'm tame.
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In reply to bobinator • 10:37a, 10/11/16
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bobinator said:
For me, like what Ford said about the park, a lot of the enjoyment is in the details so I love discussing them. That's part of the entertainment.

Plus I love fan theories. The more insane-but-somehow-plausible the better.
I think my favorite quite-possible-but-very-unlikely theory is that William and his friends' scenes are set in the past. This theory states that their storyline will show the park's critical failure that has been mentioned already and that William will eventually become the Man in Black.
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10:38a, 10/11/16
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Regarding the MIB and his rampage killing of the posse, one of the guys back at HQ asked if they should "slow him down." So they obviously have things they can do to throw a wrench in the plans of guests who might get a little carried away. I wonder if that includes higher difficulty encounters or weather or what.
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In reply to 3rdGen2015 • 10:49a, 10/11/16
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3rdGen2015 said:
bobinator said:
For me, like what Ford said about the park, a lot of the enjoyment is in the details so I love discussing them. That's part of the entertainment.

Plus I love fan theories. The more insane-but-somehow-plausible the better.
I think my favorite quite-possible-but-very-unlikely theory is that William and his friends' scenes are set in the past. This theory states that their storyline will show the park's critical failure that has been mentioned already and that William will eventually become the Man in Black.
I like that theory, but the hosts are too polished for that to be the case. the first-gen guy we saw in episode one was clearly robotic in movements.
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In reply to RedbeardAG • 10:51a, 10/11/16
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RedbeardAG said:
This show definitely requires a lot of suspension of disbelief.
There are a lot of things that just don't hold up under any level of scrutiny....still a cool concept.
Wait, I think you might be on to something here.

At first I was totally believing travelling by futuristic train to an Old West setting... I mean, that's how they did it in Back to the Future III. But then when they started showing the hosts getting tune-ups to be more sultry and seductive, my BS detector went off. I was like, hey this is totally not real!
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In reply to schmendeler • 10:52a, 10/11/16
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schmendeler said:
3rdGen2015 said:
bobinator said:
For me, like what Ford said about the park, a lot of the enjoyment is in the details so I love discussing them. That's part of the entertainment.

Plus I love fan theories. The more insane-but-somehow-plausible the better.
I think my favorite quite-possible-but-very-unlikely theory is that William and his friends' scenes are set in the past. This theory states that their storyline will show the park's critical failure that has been mentioned already and that William will eventually become the Man in Black.
I like that theory, but the hosts are too polished for that to be the case. the first-gen guy we saw in episode one was clearly robotic in movements.
That's exactly my reasoning for not believing it. But the William == MiB truthers would argue that we don't know exactly when that first-gen was made. We know that there was a critical failure 30 years ago, but we don't know what the hosts looked like at that point.
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11:03a, 10/11/16
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Hmm... I'm going to do a rewatch with this theory in mind.

One thing for sure in this show is that it's hard to line up timelines with each other right now. It's hard to say yet if that's going to be important or if they're just doing it to save time like Game of Thrones.
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12:37p, 10/11/16
Was the concept of a computer virus even around when M.C. wrote the original?
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1:03p, 10/11/16
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Yes
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1:04p, 10/11/16
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Also, the comparison to a virus spreading among the robots is actually explicitly stated in the film by one of the engineers (almost certainly not an accidental reference).
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In reply to easttexasaggie04 • 2:12p, 10/11/16
easttexasaggie04 said:
I like to think about what I would do if I was in that park. I'd like to play an old fashioned poker game in that bar until the sun comes up then maybe go on a cattle drive. Damn, I'm tame.

I definitely would not turn down the advances from the dressing room girl; what a disappointing scene.

Maybe collect flowers, kill and skin wildlife, help Bonnie at her ranch, kill the church zombies, loot dead bodies; typical Red Dead Redemption stuff
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In reply to JJxvi • 3:58p, 10/11/16
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JJxvi said:
Also, the comparison to a virus spreading among the robots is actually explicitly stated in the film by one of the engineers (almost certainly not an accidental reference).
Didn't they say the madame had MRSA in her abdomen?
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In reply to PooDoo • 4:21p, 10/11/16
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Yes, but that's an entirely different thing.
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In reply to 3rdGen2015 • 5:33p, 10/11/16
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3rdGen2015 said:
bobinator said:
For me, like what Ford said about the park, a lot of the enjoyment is in the details so I love discussing them. That's part of the entertainment.

Plus I love fan theories. The more insane-but-somehow-plausible the better.
I think my favorite quite-possible-but-very-unlikely theory is that William and his friends' scenes are set in the past. This theory states that their storyline will show the park's critical failure that has been mentioned already and that William will eventually become the Man in Black.
Regarding this theory, it looked to me like the fancy escalator area in his time period was the same as the rundown dingy escalator area way underground in present-day Westworld. I've only watched it once (and could be totally wrong), but if it was the same escalator, that would lend credence to your theory.
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5:53p, 10/11/16
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Most of this has already been covered here in one way or another, but still definitely worth the read...

http://www.slashfilm.com/more-westworld-theories/
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7:49p, 10/11/16
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It's not weird that the MIB can do whatever he wants if he's a guest. I was just pointing out that apparently he's a guest bc some people were theorizing that he may be a robot with game mode power or infinite life.
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In reply to Counterpoint • 8:07p, 10/11/16
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I like that theory, but I think they would make it a little more obvious.

If the Delos globe was in that lobby all new and shiny....
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In reply to bobinator • 8:08p, 10/11/16
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bobinator said:
Yes, but that's an entirely different thing.

Yeah, but they were acting like the biological was effecting the mechanical.
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8:26p, 10/11/16
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So my question of the operators talking to the hosts was answered, but how do they get the hosts out of the park and into the operations center so easily? I'm assuming the logistics of the park get amswered in upcoming episodes, and that's one I'd like to know. How many "trap doors" are there between the park and the control center?
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In reply to drewbie08 • 10:06p, 10/11/16
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drewbie08 said:
So my question of the operators talking to the hosts was answered, but how do they get the hosts out of the park and into the operations center so easily? I'm assuming the logistics of the park get amswered in upcoming episodes, and that's one I'd like to know. How many "trap doors" are there between the park and the control center?


Lots, I assume. Plus it seems logical that there are a lot of "event hubs" where hosts tend to congregate.
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10:12p, 10/11/16
As much as I like the show, logistically and psychologically it just feels like something is missing. Some of it has been mentioned here already, and I can't really easily summarize it without a really long winded response, yes much longer than this!
But I think basically the behavior of Harris and the dude this week would be more typical for wealthy people going to a Wild West place where anything goes. That would make the park a raping pillaging shooting gallery and wreck the storylines. They did hint at slowing down Harris but not sure how that would happen. And how they can afford to have so many characters nuked daily already doesn't seem practical financially or logistically. You have to carry on complicated storylines without them and turn them around by the next day based on what we have seen. The more practical solution would be to have multiples of the same character to easily switch out, but then the TV show story arc wouldn't work.
And the one practical thing that's bothered me this week wasn't that everyone except the guys working on the hosts seemed to know the verbal commands to elecit desired behaviors from them? Of course without that miss she couldn't have seen what she saw, so it just felt a bit too convenient.
As I said lots to really like through. So far still the best new show of the fall.
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12:42a, 10/12/16
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I never got the impression that just because we see the same "day" start with Evan Rachel Wood waking up that it meant they reset that frequently. I take it that the shootouts and aftermatch are dealt with for a certain timeline and then they start over again with a new set of guests. This last episode definitely had some juxtaposition of time so that's not a problem for me.

Also, when the hosts are "backstage", maybe they're not fully in game mode so the full gamut of commands don't work? Or only the gamerunners have the power to use the commands, who knows.

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2:06a, 10/12/16
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Talulah Riley as a sexualized, non-real object of affection in Christopher Nolan's Inception...



Talulah Riley as a sexualized, non-real object of affection in Jonathan Nolan's Westworld...

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2:06a, 10/12/16
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Oh, and Talulah Riley as Elon Musk's ex...

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