I read where the inclusion of Samurais was very deliberate, as there were a lot of similarities between western movies and culture and Bushido movies and culture.
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The only thing that bothered me about her was her acting. Worst actor in the show.
EXACTLY. It's so obvious that it's far more than just a theme park. Otherwise the board would not have its own agenda and we wouldn't have seen any of that. I suspect they will cover this in upcoming seasons.RPM said:
This may have already been discussed here but I'm not going back through 2k+ posts.
I think people are getting stuck on the technology not being able to leave the park. Of course you don't want unidentified robots wandering around with no guidance. That doesn't mean that mega company Delos hasn't already found commercial uses for their products.
I think Westworld is just a Delos proving ground for testing out every conceivable usage of synthetic or biomechanical tissue, bones, intelligence, etc.
What better way to test out this technology than abuse it, throw everything you've got at it? Make it fun and charge an assload to let people test your technology, ta-da!
We already know the one guy approached Ed Harris and thanked him, so in all likelihood, some if not all host technology exists outside the park.
I think on some sublevel, there is a test lab where host technology is paired with actual humans for things like limb replacement, organ transplants and possibly host/human brain transplants.
Westworld is way more than just a theme park.
Loved the show, but the more I think about it the more disturbed I get. One basic theme of the show is that the park shows humans who they really are, and they all turn out to be murderous, rapists, and sadists, even the "good guy" William.
On the other hand, Delores finally shows her free will by murdering Ford and a bunch of humans. It turns out Maeve is the only one whose character arc does not turn her into a mass murderer, and she had to orchestrate a ton of murders to get to that point.
The whole thing is pretty dismal. Basically that all humans are really savages and the sentient hosts are just as bad. Unless they are intentionally setting up a host/human war, Matrix-style, it's a pretty depressing take on intelligence and consciousness.
On the other hand, Delores finally shows her free will by murdering Ford and a bunch of humans. It turns out Maeve is the only one whose character arc does not turn her into a mass murderer, and she had to orchestrate a ton of murders to get to that point.
The whole thing is pretty dismal. Basically that all humans are really savages and the sentient hosts are just as bad. Unless they are intentionally setting up a host/human war, Matrix-style, it's a pretty depressing take on intelligence and consciousness.
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Yeah, she played an incredibly cheesy villain. It was almost like a bad super hero movie villain.claym711 said:
The only thing that bothered me about her was her acting. Worst actor in the show.
I think it is more complicated than that in regards to the robots. It comes down to what do you consider murder or rape. If you accept that the robots are alive and you still kill or rape them, then yeah, you're a murderer or rapist. If you think they're not real and they don't have feelings or emotions, then you're no more a murderer or a rapists than somebody who goes on a killing spree in a video game.ramblin_ag02 said:
Loved the show, but the more I think about it the more disturbed I get. One basic theme of the show is that the park shows humans who they really are, and they all turn out to be murderous, rapists, and sadists, even the "good guy" William.
On the other hand, Delores finally shows her free will by murdering Ford and a bunch of humans. It turns out Maeve is the only one whose character arc does not turn her into a mass murderer, and she had to orchestrate a ton of murders to get to that point.
The whole thing is pretty dismal. Basically that all humans are really savages and the sentient hosts are just as bad. Unless they are intentionally setting up a host/human war, Matrix-style, it's a pretty depressing take on intelligence and consciousness.
In fact, they mention several times in the show that the robots are getting too real and they needed to dial it back a little because if they're too real people don't feel comfortable doing whatever they want to them.
Vander has done this for years in just about every sci-fi thread. His prime directive functions only in Debbie Downer mode.dromo07 said:
I really hate when make believe is tried to be turned into real believe
it's the ****ing worst
LIVE IN THE MOMENT
STOP DECONSTRUCTING EVERYTHING
STOP DECONSTRUCTING EVERYTHING
ramblin_ag02 said:
Loved the show, but the more I think about it the more disturbed I get. One basic theme of the show is that the park shows humans who they really are, and they all turn out to be murderous, rapists, and sadists, even the "good guy" William.
On the other hand, Delores finally shows her free will by murdering Ford and a bunch of humans. It turns out Maeve is the only one whose character arc does not turn her into a mass murderer, and she had to orchestrate a ton of murders to get to that point.
The whole thing is pretty dismal. Basically that all humans are really savages and the sentient hosts are just as bad. Unless they are intentionally setting up a host/human war, Matrix-style, it's a pretty depressing take on intelligence and consciousness.
little bit of Lord of the Flies in there...left to our own devices and turned loose in a closed society with no rules...we devour each other.
ahhh humanity ain't it great.
now not only that but we corrupt the robots too.......something about wreaking our own destruction....
It was all downhill once we ate from the tree of knowledge. Turns out escaping the garden wasn't so great after all. Likely won't be great for Delores either.
Going to be tough to be worse than getting beaten, raped, and murdered on the regular.claym711 said:
It was all downhill once we ate from the tree of knowledge. Turns out escaping the garden wasn't so great after all. Likely won't be great for Delores either.
Going to be some major PTSD going on in Westworld if all these robots become sentient and get their memories back.
bangobango said:Going to be tough to be worse than getting beaten, raped, and murdered on the regular.claym711 said:
It was all downhill once we ate from the tree of knowledge. Turns out escaping the garden wasn't so great after all. Likely won't be great for Delores either.
Its not tough when you have no self awareness. It is when you do.
http://uproxx.com/tv/know-answer-maeve-westworld-decision-before-2018/
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Vulture got the exact answer from producer Jonathan Nolan on its recent Vulture TV Podcast. He apparently explained there were some technical hints to the answer. Steadicam shots are used when hosts are following their intended protocols but handheld cameras are used when they're going off book. Here's Nolan dishing on Maeve (emphasis added):
"In the finale, when Maeve gets onto that train the Steadicam is leading her over. Now, it's just keeping pace with her as she makes the decision. What we understand in the moment is it's the first real decision she's made all season," Nolan said. "Which is, she's not going to fulfill the script she's been given, which is to take this train wherever it's going, and do whatever else she's programmed to do. She can get off the train. At which point, we shift to handheld camera, which we'd held back on throughout the entire season until one moment with her, and one moment with Dolores, when Teddy comes to rescue her."
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He apparently explained there were some technical hints to the answer. Steadicam shots are used when hosts are following their intended protocols but handheld cameras are used when they're going off book.
Well duh.....Y'all didn't pick up on that?
Why didn't old Willy get all excited when Dolores kicked his ass in the church?
It wasn't the penultimate scene...and he hadn't talked to Ford yet.RPM said:
Why didn't old Willy get all excited when Dolores kicked his ass in the church?
Just now watching with the wifey:
Scene where Teddy sees all the dead bodies and then turns to see Delores by the train and wolf runs across the scene.
Wife says, "THATS where Nymeria is!!!"
Scene where Teddy sees all the dead bodies and then turns to see Delores by the train and wolf runs across the scene.
Wife says, "THATS where Nymeria is!!!"
The entire point of the show is to explore these new beings becoming self aware and how they would interact with human beings once they did. That was clear in the interviews posted. How those of you deconstructing every bit of the storyline can say the poster pointing out how humans would actually react is out of line, is beyond me.
The robots very first action upon becoming sentient was to commit mass murder. I highly doubt outright destruction, but the government would immediately come in, shut down the park, tear the robots to pieces for research (under the auspices of "investigation "), and seize all the assets and IP of the company.
Absolutely no question. To say, well they can avoid that by saying "the authorities can't come because we will push the death ray button" would be the epitome of lazy ineffectual writing. The entire world would be up in arms.
The robots very first action upon becoming sentient was to commit mass murder. I highly doubt outright destruction, but the government would immediately come in, shut down the park, tear the robots to pieces for research (under the auspices of "investigation "), and seize all the assets and IP of the company.
Absolutely no question. To say, well they can avoid that by saying "the authorities can't come because we will push the death ray button" would be the epitome of lazy ineffectual writing. The entire world would be up in arms.
I'm picturing the rides at Disneyland coming to life and murdering the Disney board and a bunch or workers during an annual meeting and TCCT and his friends in Hollywood saying, "Whooaaa, slow down...... Let's see how this thing plays out in Californialand before we rush on in!".
If we make it to Samurai world, that's what has happened.
If we make it to Samurai world, that's what has happened.
It's self contained on an island no need to rush
Lol. That is so far beyond short sighted it's retrogressive. Fail.
How did I get dragged into this? Also, I have no clue what's going on right now.
TCTTS said:
How did I get dragged into this? Also, I have no clue what's going on right now.
Not picking on you. Just commenting on how you said this was not relevant and could be written away with one comment. It is the central point to the story going forward. There would never be another guest in the park going forward.....
Unless the entire next season is a hostage situation, I don't see how you can get past the murder bot situation they've created.
claym711 said:
Lol. That is so far beyond short sighted it's retrogressive. Fail.
Really? Is any worker not getting the hell out ASAP? Are all guests not immediately evacuated? Are the families of the dead not demanding immediate action?
Who cares about the newly sentient robots? They are mass murderers.
Season 2 may run concurrently with season 1 if it's on another type of world.
Was just thinking what would the point of Shogun World would be if they use swords. I mean guns I understand because it still knocks a guest down with the bullet but a sword I would guess is differenf.
Was just thinking what would the point of Shogun World would be if they use swords. I mean guns I understand because it still knocks a guest down with the bullet but a sword I would guess is differenf.
By the way, awesome show! Loved it! Just don't know how you jump into samurai world unless everyone who has been killed is a host (which could be). Ford could have been, Theresa probably was. All the workers could have been, etc. I don't think we saw the gala members actually die, but I could be forgetting.
We saw them get shot in the back I would say some of them are deed
That's what I was getting at when I talked about the ticking clock aspect. You could milk an episode or two with the idea that the military or whoever was going to be there in 24 hours or however long and that's how much time the hosts had to get ready for some kind of conflict. And yeah, that conflict could play out over a few episodes as well.
Overall, though, my point was that I'm SURE the writers have considered that and will address it accordingly. Nolan said they've already been working on season two for 10 weeks now. They know what they're doing. Just because no one on this thread has thought of a way around it doesn't mean Nolan & co haven't. This show is set decades in the future and we have basically no idea what the outside world is like, or where this park even is it. It just bugs me when everyone starts playing know-it-all before the writers have even had a chance to show where they're going with it. These guys are literally some of the best in the business and get paid to think up clever solutions we can't dream up. Heck, maybe season two is set a year or two AFTER some big military assault and it's all about the reprocussions of that. Point is, I'm just saying there's no need to get all worked up about it this early.
Overall, though, my point was that I'm SURE the writers have considered that and will address it accordingly. Nolan said they've already been working on season two for 10 weeks now. They know what they're doing. Just because no one on this thread has thought of a way around it doesn't mean Nolan & co haven't. This show is set decades in the future and we have basically no idea what the outside world is like, or where this park even is it. It just bugs me when everyone starts playing know-it-all before the writers have even had a chance to show where they're going with it. These guys are literally some of the best in the business and get paid to think up clever solutions we can't dream up. Heck, maybe season two is set a year or two AFTER some big military assault and it's all about the reprocussions of that. Point is, I'm just saying there's no need to get all worked up about it this early.
This is from episode 6 I believe. Ford planning the whole thing out.
MrPlow2010 said:
This is from episode 6 I believe. Ford planning the whole thing out.
That's an awesome find.
There is gonna be so many little details to notice on a second viewing. So much thought was put into the writing and attention to details. It truly is a wonderful show.
TCTTS said:
That's what I was getting at when I talked about the ticking clock aspect. You could milk an episode or two with the idea that the military or whoever was going to be there in 24 hours or however long and that's how much time the hosts had to get ready for some kind of conflict. And yeah, that conflict could play out over a few episodes as well.
Overall, though, my point was that I'm SURE the writers have considered that and will address it accordingly. Nolan said they've already been working on season two for 10 weeks now. They know what they're doing. Just because no one on this thread has thought of a way around it doesn't mean Nolan & co haven't. This show is set decades in the future and we have basically no idea what the outside world is like, or where this park even is it. It just bugs me when everyone starts playing know-it-all before the writers have even had a chance to show where they're going with it. These guys are literally some of the best in the business and get paid to think up clever solutions we can't dream up. Heck, maybe season two is set a year or two AFTER some big military assault and it's all about the reprocussions of that. Point is, I'm just saying there's no need to get all worked up about it this early.
Hey, I'll be tuned in waiting with breathless anticipation, but this won't be the 1st or last time great Hollywood writers have been so consumed with their theme/central story, that the wrote themselves into a corner.
RossK10 said:
Did we ever have resolution on the whole "getting information out of the park" thing?
We know Maeve's script was altered and Felix got her the bag of "everything she needed". Yes she made a decision to get off, but she left the bag on the train. What she needed is what someone scripted her to need. Maybe information - I have no idea. But it's someone on the outside and I don't think it's the board.
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