Urban Ag said:

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I will say this. As much as I love Rogue One, I literally put it in the top three with ESB and ANH, this is my one gripe that I have with it.

The battle scene in the streets of Jedha, IMO, is one of the best in the entire SW franchise. It has such a gritty, raw, feel to it. Amazingly filmed. But it has two flaws. First, Jyn kicks the sh** out of 5 or 6 Stormtroopers with what is the equivalent of a police baton. Second, the blind Asian guy kicks the sh** out of at least a dozen stormtroopers with his stick. I like both characters, I get they are both bad asses, but that was just way too overkill to the point of being silly. And that is what I loved so much about Rogue One is that like ESB and ANH, it one of only three SW films that didn't include any silliness.

In regards to Emilia Clarke's character and her martial arts capabilities, I really never even thought about it until I read aTm's posts, probably cause I hadn't had a Mother of Dragon's fix in a while.

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aTmAg said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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Something tells me aTmAg isn't a fan of Bruce Lee movies.

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Actually, I am a fan of Bruce Lee himself. I haven't watched many of his movies (since I was a kid), but back then it was fresh and new (at least in America). And also, it doesn't hurt that he himself could actually do that stuff. The same goes with Jackie Chan. The difference between the Americanized versions of Jackie Chan movies and his native ones is night and day. He performs ridiculous stunts himself that no other actor would dare to do, so he brings that to the table.

Meanwhile, we have walking dead where we are supposed to believe John Carroll Lynch is a karate master sensie:

Really?


That's the sort of thing that makes my eyes roll.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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Something tells me aTmAg isn't a fan of Bruce Lee movies.

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Actually, I am a fan of Bruce Lee himself. I haven't watched many of his movies (since I was a kid), but back then it was fresh and new (at least in America). And also, it doesn't hurt that he himself could actually do that stuff. The same goes with Jackie Chan. The difference between the Americanized versions of Jackie Chan movies and his native ones is night and day. He performs ridiculous stunts himself that no other actor would dare to do, so he brings that to the table.

Meanwhile, we have walking dead where we are supposed to believe John Carroll Lynch is a karate master sensie:

Really?


That's the sort of thing that makes my eyes roll.

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I blame this guy......

50+ years old, kinda pudgy, 5'3"....but karate master with catlike reflexes and can defeat 6 younger karate guys and one twice his size by honking his nose.




PS - I think you take movie fighting too seriously.

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Sex Panther said:

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Hey man, I get it... I can't stand Brits who suck at American accents, and every time I point it out people act like I'm crazy. It's so obvious to me and no one else notices or cares. ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE MARVEL NETFLIX SHOWS ARE BAD AT IT.

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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Something tells me aTmAg isn't a fan of Bruce Lee movies.

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Actually, I am a fan of Bruce Lee himself. I haven't watched many of his movies (since I was a kid), but back then it was fresh and new (at least in America). And also, it doesn't hurt that he himself could actually do that stuff. The same goes with Jackie Chan. The difference between the Americanized versions of Jackie Chan movies and his native ones is night and day. He performs ridiculous stunts himself that no other actor would dare to do, so he brings that to the table.

Meanwhile, we have walking dead where we are supposed to believe John Carroll Lynch is a karate master sensie:

Really?


That's the sort of thing that makes my eyes roll.

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I blame this guy......

50+ years old, kinda pudgy, 5'3"....but karate master with catlike reflexes and can defeat 6 younger karate guys and one twice his size by honking his nose.




PS - I think you take movie fighting too seriously.

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I agree that is cheesy in hindsight. Though as a kid, I loved that movie. If it came out now, I would probably bash it. I tend to give movies a pass if they are the first ones to do it. So I give Ghost in the Shell a pass on 3 point landings. But not the 10000 movies that have done it since. I'm not sure, but I think Rocky had the first montage, so I give that one a pass.


And it's not the fighting per se. It could be ESP and it would be equally cheesy. Eleven in Stranger Things is getting close to this. If season 3 consists of her walking around and solving everybody's problems by moving objects and breaking necks with her mind, then that will get lame real fast. It would get even more lame, if they introduce 10 more numbered characters and they have an X-men like mind "fight". Even if there was no karate or physical violence involved at all. But it's the same principle. Anybody can write a story like that.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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Something tells me aTmAg isn't a fan of Bruce Lee movies.

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Actually, I am a fan of Bruce Lee himself. I haven't watched many of his movies (since I was a kid), but back then it was fresh and new (at least in America). And also, it doesn't hurt that he himself could actually do that stuff. The same goes with Jackie Chan. The difference between the Americanized versions of Jackie Chan movies and his native ones is night and day. He performs ridiculous stunts himself that no other actor would dare to do, so he brings that to the table.

Meanwhile, we have walking dead where we are supposed to believe John Carroll Lynch is a karate master sensie:

Really?


That's the sort of thing that makes my eyes roll.

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I blame this guy......

50+ years old, kinda pudgy, 5'3"....but karate master with catlike reflexes and can defeat 6 younger karate guys and one twice his size by honking his nose.




PS - I think you take movie fighting too seriously.

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I agree that is cheesy in hindsight. Though as a kid, I loved that movie. If it came out now, I would probably bash it. I tend to give movies a pass if they are the first ones to do it. So I give Ghost in the Shell a pass on 3 point landings. But not the 10000 movies that have done it since. I'm not sure, but I think Rocky had the first montage, so I give that one a pass.


And it's not the fighting per se. It could be ESP and it would be equally cheesy. Eleven in Stranger Things is getting close to this. If season 3 consists of her walking around and solving everybody's problems by moving objects and breaking necks with her mind, then that will get lame real fast. It would get even more lame, if they introduce 10 more numbered characters and they have an X-men like mind "fight". Even if there was no karate or physical violence involved at all. But it's the same principle. Anybody can write a story like that.

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I really don't care about your opinions on karate or 3 point landings. actually.....

I was not trying to start a discussion with you.

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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Something tells me aTmAg isn't a fan of Bruce Lee movies.

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Actually, I am a fan of Bruce Lee himself. I haven't watched many of his movies (since I was a kid), but back then it was fresh and new (at least in America). And also, it doesn't hurt that he himself could actually do that stuff. The same goes with Jackie Chan. The difference between the Americanized versions of Jackie Chan movies and his native ones is night and day. He performs ridiculous stunts himself that no other actor would dare to do, so he brings that to the table.

Meanwhile, we have walking dead where we are supposed to believe John Carroll Lynch is a karate master sensie:

Really?


That's the sort of thing that makes my eyes roll.

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I blame this guy......

50+ years old, kinda pudgy, 5'3"....but karate master with catlike reflexes and can defeat 6 younger karate guys and one twice his size by honking his nose.




PS - I think you take movie fighting too seriously.

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I agree that is cheesy in hindsight. Though as a kid, I loved that movie. If it came out now, I would probably bash it. I tend to give movies a pass if they are the first ones to do it. So I give Ghost in the Shell a pass on 3 point landings. But not the 10000 movies that have done it since. I'm not sure, but I think Rocky had the first montage, so I give that one a pass.


And it's not the fighting per se. It could be ESP and it would be equally cheesy. Eleven in Stranger Things is getting close to this. If season 3 consists of her walking around and solving everybody's problems by moving objects and breaking necks with her mind, then that will get lame real fast. It would get even more lame, if they introduce 10 more numbered characters and they have an X-men like mind "fight". Even if there was no karate or physical violence involved at all. But it's the same principle. Anybody can write a story like that.

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I really don't care about your opinions on karate or 3 point landings. actually.....

I was not trying to start a discussion with you.

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I don't care what you care about. Your opinions are worthless.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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double aught said:

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Quote:

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I think the only really named characters from the start of the film who lived were Upham (Jeremy Davies) and Reiben (Ed Burns).

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aTmAg said:

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Sex Panther said:

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aTmAg's war on karate in movies lives on

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At least I'm consistent!

I also hate:
1) Walking away from explosions
2) Montages
3) deus ex machina endings (I didn't know the name for this... thanks nai06)
4) 3 point landings

(and more I can't think of now)

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c-jags said:

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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Something tells me aTmAg isn't a fan of Bruce Lee movies.

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Actually, I am a fan of Bruce Lee himself. I haven't watched many of his movies (since I was a kid), but back then it was fresh and new (at least in America). And also, it doesn't hurt that he himself could actually do that stuff. The same goes with Jackie Chan. The difference between the Americanized versions of Jackie Chan movies and his native ones is night and day. He performs ridiculous stunts himself that no other actor would dare to do, so he brings that to the table.

Meanwhile, we have walking dead where we are supposed to believe John Carroll Lynch is a karate master sensie:

Really?


That's the sort of thing that makes my eyes roll.

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I blame this guy......

50+ years old, kinda pudgy, 5'3"....but karate master with catlike reflexes and can defeat 6 younger karate guys and one twice his size by honking his nose.




PS - I think you take movie fighting too seriously.

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I agree that is cheesy in hindsight. Though as a kid, I loved that movie. If it came out now, I would probably bash it. I tend to give movies a pass if they are the first ones to do it. So I give Ghost in the Shell a pass on 3 point landings. But not the 10000 movies that have done it since. I'm not sure, but I think Rocky had the first montage, so I give that one a pass.


And it's not the fighting per se. It could be ESP and it would be equally cheesy. Eleven in Stranger Things is getting close to this. If season 3 consists of her walking around and solving everybody's problems by moving objects and breaking necks with her mind, then that will get lame real fast. It would get even more lame, if they introduce 10 more numbered characters and they have an X-men like mind "fight". Even if there was no karate or physical violence involved at all. But it's the same principle. Anybody can write a story like that.

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I really don't care about your opinions on karate or 3 point landings. actually.....

I was not trying to start a discussion with you.

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I don't care what you care about. Your opinions are worthless.

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are you the guy that said you don't like super hero movies because a guy being better or trying harder at karate shouldn't be what wins in the end?

i'm not knocking the statement, i agree with it to an extent, just trying to remember who that was.

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redline248 said:

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Paging Alias or one of the other book/comic readers...

At what point after Maul gets his ass kicked by the emperor on Madalore does he come back and take over Crimson Dawn? My first reaction to seeing him at the end of Solo was "why can't they just leave him dead?"

...and I know at that point it time he is alive, thanks to Rebels, but Rebels handled him so well that they should have left him out of any of the "real" movies.

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redline248 said:

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Paging Alias or one of the other book/comic readers...

At what point after Maul gets his ass kicked by the emperor on Madalore does he come back and take over Crimson Dawn? My first reaction to seeing him at the end of Solo was "why can't they just leave him dead?"

...and I know at that point it time he is alive, thanks to Rebels, but Rebels handled him so well that they should have left him out of any of the "real" movies.

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Flashdiaz said:

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redline248 said:

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Paging Alias or one of the other book/comic readers...

At what point after Maul gets his ass kicked by the emperor on Madalore does he come back and take over Crimson Dawn? My first reaction to seeing him at the end of Solo was "why can't they just leave him dead?"

...and I know at that point it time he is alive, thanks to Rebels, but Rebels handled him so well that they should have left him out of any of the "real" movies.

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agree with this 100%. They introduced him now what? are they going to address him in the Solo sequel or Fett movie? Or maybe even the Kenobi movie, but if they do this, they'll have to recreate Rebels in live action. If they don't, the movies only fans will be wondering what happened to him.

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redline248 said:

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Paging Alias or one of the other book/comic readers...

At what point after Maul gets his ass kicked by the emperor on Madalore does he come back and take over Crimson Dawn? My first reaction to seeing him at the end of Solo was "why can't they just leave him dead?"

...and I know at that point it time he is alive, thanks to Rebels, but Rebels handled him so well that they should have left him out of any of the "real" movies.

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CJS4715 said:

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redline248 said:

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Paging Alias or one of the other book/comic readers...

At what point after Maul gets his ass kicked by the emperor on Madalore does he come back and take over Crimson Dawn? My first reaction to seeing him at the end of Solo was "why can't they just leave him dead?"

...and I know at that point it time he is alive, thanks to Rebels, but Rebels handled him so well that they should have left him out of any of the "real" movies.

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What do you mean why can't they just leave him dead? Sidious didn't kill him on Mandalore.

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AliasMan02 said:

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redline248 said:

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Paging Alias or one of the other book/comic readers...

At what point after Maul gets his ass kicked by the emperor on Madalore does he come back and take over Crimson Dawn? My first reaction to seeing him at the end of Solo was "why can't they just leave him dead?"

...and I know at that point it time he is alive, thanks to Rebels, but Rebels handled him so well that they should have left him out of any of the "real" movies.

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I'm behind on comics but him running Crimson Dawn, specifically, is new canon. Previously he was running an alliance of criminal cartels and Mandalore called the Shadow Collective. He eventually lost Mandalore as well, concurrent with the end of RotS and Order 66.

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redline248 said:

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ok, thanks. Other than black sun, or whatever, I have paid zero attention to names of crime syndicates over the years.

Follow up question: what timeframe does the new Solo book(s?) cover relative to this movie?

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CJS4715 said:

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I feel like Maul is one of those characters that Filoni probably has ownership over, so anything with him I assume has Filoni's stamp of approval. Because of that, I will trust whatever they are doing with Maul.

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aTmAg said:

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Since Solo is not doing well at the box office, is this whole story line with maul going to sorta just die?

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aTmAg said:

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Since Solo is not doing well at the box office, is this whole story line with maul going to sorta just die?

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aTmAg said:

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Since Solo is not doing well at the box office, is this whole story line with maul going to sorta just die?

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exitone said:

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aTmAg said:

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Since Solo is not doing well at the box office, is this whole story line with maul going to sorta just die?

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I sure hope not. I thought it was a good movie. Its in my top 5, maybe 4. I really enjoyed it. And I hope Ron Howard isn't going to suffer from this (which I doubt he would), because I thought he told a really solid story. I could only imagine jumping into a mess and trying to salvage it.

I was thinking.... the only problem I had with the whole movie was how bad I thought the wookie looked that Chewbacca rescued at the mining complex. It looked really odd to me.

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