These threads are a beating now.

I thought the movie was good

TCTTS said:

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Apathy, yes. Boycott, no. In terms of contributing factors.

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Every Star Wars fan I know has seen Solo. I think this wasn't as "special" for a lot of people coming so soon after TFA and it didn't draw the casual fans.

Those people aren't boycotting anything.

I'm gonna go start my own entertainment board. With Star Wars. And West World.

AlphaCharlieUniformAggie said:

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TCTTS said:

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daggertx said:

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Hopefully it's bad so maybe they will make a leadership change at lucasfilm.

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The Force Awakens
$248M Opening Weekend / Domestic = #2 All-time
$529M Opening Weekend / Worldwide = #4 All-time
$936M Total / Domestic = #1 All-time
$2B Total / Worldwide = #3 All-time

Rogue One
$155M Opening Weekend / Domestic = #16 All-time
$290M Opening Weekend / Worldwide = #27 All-time
$532M Total / Domestic = #10 All-time
$1B Total / Worldwide = #25 All-time

The Last Jedi
$220M Opening Weekend / Domestic = #3 All-time
$450M Opening Weekend / Worldwide = #6 All-time
$620M Total / Domestic = #8 All-time
$1.3B Total / Worldwide = #11 All-time

Solo
$84M Opening Weekend / Domestic = #81 All-time
$148M Opening Weekend / Worldwide = #97 All-time


With that resume - in addition to the countless other blockbuster classics Kennedy has produced over her nearly 40-year stellar career - one "failure" in this franchise isn't going to do her in. It's just comical how ridiculous all this "Fire Kennedy!" talk is.

It's not happening.

Besides, realistically, who could come in and do better? NO ONE is landing Spielberg/Nolan/Cameron/etc for a Star Wars movie. In terms of practicality, the next best thing blockbuster-wise is/was J.J. Abrams. He didn't want to do it, told her no repeatedly, yet she persisted and landed him. And then after Abrams' wife told him he could never do another sequel again after TFA, Kennedy somehow convinced him to come back for one last go with Episode IX.

Sure, Kennedy has clearly had her share of director troubles as well, but ANYONE would have hired Gareth Edwards after Godzilla, and ANYONE would have taken a chance on Johnson, who, by all accounts, is/was one of the smartest, nicest, and most exciting filmmakers around. Just because he didn't give fanboys the Luke they wanted doesn't mean he's a bad filmmaker. Not by a long shot. That, and kudos to Kennedy for thinking outside of the box and taking a chance on Lord & Miller as well. It obviously didn't work out, but the vast majority of fandom was over the moon when they were announced. And now she somehow lands James Mangold for a Boba Fett spin-off? I had absolutely no desire to see that movie, but after Logan, I'll be the first in line. I literally can't think of a better, more appropriate director to take on that material.

Outside of Colin Trevorrow, which she course-corrected, Kennedy is hiring EXACTLY who everyone - in terms of a realistic consensus - wants for these movies. Sure, I wish Lucasfilm as a whole would have taken more time to map, connect, and flesh out the new trajectory of the franchise before TFA hit theaters, and delayed everything 'til at least 2016, but Kennedy's hands were tied, her and Abrams tried to argue for more time, and Bob Iger wasn't having it. He had stock holders to answer to and wasn't budging from 2015. So if you want to blame anyone, blame Bob Iger.

Anyway, apologies for going off on a random post, but I've had enough of this whining. So many people in this thread and on Twitter have absolutely NO IDEA what they're talking about, and sound like petulant children stomping their feet in a tantrum because mommy gave them a sugar cookie instead of chocolate chip.

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Kennedy makes SJW movies pushing private agendas like an inner city meth dealer pushes... well, meth.

She makes ****ty Star Wars movies. But it's Star Wars and we take what we can get. Solo was stupid and the the script has full of holes. Plus, we already knew where Chewy and Han met, that the Falcon made the Kessel Run in 14 parsecs, and that Keira is gonna die so Han can bang Leia and sire another bull sh_t character...

Don't even get me started how Kennedy and the Kasdans ****ed up the ONE SHOT they had with Hamil, Fisher and Ford.

So yeah, change the Lucas film leadership. Disney is already a left wing company but the Marvel films are not complete garbage.

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Stay off super right wing websites and listening to conservative talk radio. It's amazing how much happier you'll be

BrownCoat said:

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In regards to the Mal and Han comparison.

I know we only see "young" Malcolm Reynolds in the opening sequence episode one of Firefly but I think if you compare Mal in that episode and Han in Solo then you can see a lot of similarities. Both smiled and joked a lot more and acted invincible. If/when we get a Solo sequel I expect we will have a battle of Serenity like moment that breaks Han a beat...maybe it will be failing someone he cares about or letting down the Guardian's of the Whills and losing faith in the Force. That would be one hell of a tie in to RO and the OT Han we all know and love.

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Username checks out.

$8 million Friday, might fall short of $30 million for the weekend. Ouch.

Lucasfilm should take a nice long look at the DCEU for a lesson about what happens when you refuse to learn lessons from your failures.

IMO, there were two avoidable, connected mistakes with Solo.

First, there's a very particular type of personality that obsesses over getting additional detail from a fictional past. There have been 7 Star Wars movies in the last 20 years; of those, Solo was the 5th prequel. Paying theater prices to watch the origin story of a character that is already really well known and dead seems like a tough sell to the average moviegoer.

Second, I think calling it star wars fatigue isn't exactly right. Marvel has been cranking out two movies a year since 2008. The fatigue comes when it's the same characters over and over. The universe is not getting bigger very fast; in fact, in some ways it's getting smaller. Prequels are by nature about characters we already know, plus the way the prequels have been written shrinks the universe. When ANH was released, there were tons of offhand references and tropes used that made it appear to exist in a rich universe. Watch it again and note how much less open space there is for your imagination to fill in now. Contrast that with marvel, who relentlessly moves forward and introduces significant new protagonists and villains in almost every film. That's why it stays fresh.

Now layer in the production issues which led to marketing problems, the timeline that exacerbated the issue, and dissatisfaction over a poor second effort in the saga films.


Tl;dr: Solo was doomed no matter what, and so is any subsequent prequel until the universe reaches a richer, fresher state.

I like the movie too (seen it 3 times, and am ready to put it ahead of TFA in my rankings), but I don't think there's any way you can look at a hugely expensive film (whose budget you inflated because you ****ed up the first try) losing as much money as this thing will probably lose at the box office as anything other than a failure.

Solo was the victim of a variety of factors. Some things are pretty easy to fix (May vs. December), but they need to rethink a lot on the creative side. This was a movie nobody really wanted except for apparently George Lucas and the Kasdans, and of course what have we gotten in the past couple weeks on the news front? A Boba Fett movie basically nobody wants. Mangold's an interesting pick, but Fett's story is basically told, plus Episode II already ****ed up his mystique by pulling back the curtain, so why risk that even more?

And then of course we have the possibility of more movies with Maul, a character who the casual audience thought (quite understandably) was dead, and for the fans of the expanded canon, again, his story is told. His final appearance in Rebels was just about perfect. Plus you're pretty limited in what you can do with him anyway. He can't really run into Obi-Wan, and Han can't see him use the Force.

Those movies might be really good, but I don't see them generating much excitement amongst a wide enough section of the population. At least Obi-Wan has an actor everyone is a fan of and we all would love for him to get a chance to play the character in a movie not weighed down by Anakin and George Lucas

They don't have an easy task ahead of them. They have to thread the needle of simultaneously doing something new and interesting, while still having the look and feel of Star Wars. The Last Jedi didn't do nearly enough of the latter for a lot of people (and some bad execution on the former), and Solo probably didn't do enough of the former.

I think they need a creative lead to manage the overall vision. Letting directors add their spins to the franchise is great, but it all has to fit together.

Sorry, didn't mean to keep you "waiting".

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I'm not interested in getting an a battle over this. You came to this forum with your beliefs and me with mine.

We'll both leave with those same beliefs. If you somehow associate me as a bad person for not agreeing with you then that is your mistake to make.

Gig'em

I'm agreeing with TC on this movie. Get past the opening and it was a blast. Guy that played Han (sorry, idk his name) was likable as hell.

Best thing about this movie was Chewie. You almost could have called this "Han and Chewie". Seeing him reach his previously almost mythical, physical capabilities was awesome.

Calling this movie a failure is just people with an axe to grind imo. Look forward to renting and watching again (although I will fast forward through the opening).

I bet near-term history will validate this film.

I am a ground-floor Star Wars fan. Have been since my mom first took me to see the original when I was five years old. I am also a pretty conservative guy who despises almost all PC and SJW BS.

Just got out of Solo... and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. The whole L3 activist outrage stuff was funny, IMO. Maybe the Lando-L3 stuff was a little weird, but I also found the humor in it.

Several really cool sequences, interesting backstory and lots of (as always) fun nods to the franchise's past / future, out of left field surprises, solid performances by the actors... all-in-all good stuff.

I'd rank it about middle-of-the-pack amongst the films... inferior to the OT and RO, not as significant as ROTS... maybe on-par with TFA. It was pretty good, but not great. I enjoyed it, but I also didn't have to spend three years waiting for it. I'll buy the Blu-Ray when it comes out, of course, but don't know if I'll see it again in theaters, just like TLJ.

Ok, so? Do the creatives care? Sure, they get an A for Effort. But the more important people, the executives who run the show, don't. And they're the reason why Disney is in this mess.

The creatives caring doesn't change the fact that the movies aren't very good. I'm just choosing to be realistic about the situation.

A lot of people worked hard on and cared about The Hobbit movies, but does anybody watch them currently? No. Because they aren't very good. It's not about intent, it's about results. You don't get credit for just caring.

That's just my opinion though.

You work in Hollywood, yet your go-to response to someone who's interested enough in movies to discuss the industry is to insult them? No wonder people think Hollywood people are smug. I'd be a little more self-aware yourself.

I respect your insight into the industry, and I agree with the majority of your points. But I feel Disney's shortchanging of Han, Leia, and Luke is a big deal. Very big. They were the emotional cornerstone of the OT, and they were treated in the absolute worst possible of ways. Since they were treated so poorly, and since the new story and characters aren't satisfying at all, and since Disney has taken a weird arrogant tone to the fans, many people are probably wondering why even bother going to see these films anymore long-term? Which is why Solo (along with merchandise sells) may be underperforming, due to that apathy. Disney has probably hamstrung this franchise, before it ever really got going.

I agree with some of AlphaCharlieUniformAggie's points, but not all. oragator took the grown-up approach. Grow a ****ing backbone. Learn to take a comment you don't like.

So anyone want to talk about the movie...like the actual movie and what it was about. Maybe the music?

What's with the politics board people? Is this a board raid?