CJS4715 said:

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Urban Ag said:

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translation: sh**storm

Ep 9 is the mulligan

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Ep 9 might come out, and we might all say, damn - should have just stopped at 8.

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Maybe. Or, JJ just says F all of you and...gives you this opening crawl.


STAR WARS Episode IX : A New Newer Phantom Hope Strikes Back

Indifference! No one seems to actually care who rules the galaxy.

30 years have passed since Leia Solo, Rey, Capt Poe Dameron, Finn and the remaining Resistance heroes were captured and executed following the defeat at Crait. Chewbacca has retired to the Outer Rim with the Falcon vowing to "never return to this f'ing clown show".

Having grown bored, despondent, and complacent, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has been assassinated by an elderly General Hux while receiving a routine colonoscopy. The First Order has dissolved into chaos.

On Mandalore, young Jengbo Fett looks to the stars in wonder of which new tyrannical force will rise to power and who will rise to resist......when a spacecraft of unknown origin appears with a walking tree, a Norse god, and talking racoon.....

Thank God for I have moved on to blissful indifference toward this franchise.

But I kind of think this scenario is like our football team.

Just like Sumlin came in and went 11-2 with a Cotton Bowl win, Kennedy came in with a pretty good film win - The Force Awakens. It showed good things might come.

But, after the second outing it started to become clear that the success was based mainly on the players/characters of the last guy. Once Manziel was gone the reality started to sink in that this dude couldn't control his players, couldn't manage his quarterbacks and couldn't coach at a tier 1 level.

The parallels are Kennedy getting a boost from the Star Wars brand, presiding over a divided fan base, and the marry-go-round of directors. And her Manziel (Luke, Han and Leia)? They're all dead.

But Sumlin always had winning seasons and a lot of Ags were happy with that. Still, with the amount of money involved and our passionate fan base 7-5 was not going to cut it for most of them. Same for Star Wars.

I also think the media has crucified us for firing Sumlin because of the media's personal politics and as Kennedy is a vocal feminist they would do the same if she was replaced.

And yet if Disney had a Jimbo Fisher (and assuming Fisher does what we paid him to do) I think the media and everybody else would forget and actually praise the decision.

I mean if it's about leadership, that's a fail, if it's about money, one failure isn't enough to fire her, if it's about politics, 2/3 of Americans base their politics on how they feel in the moment.

Or just keep her. Who gives a sh_t, do whatever you want.

Denis Villeneuve is remaking Dune with 2 movies and that's a better, MUCH better story anyway.

If I hear what you are saying, and I'm pretty sure I do... I agree

Star Wars needs to pay Kevin Feige 75 million dollars

What I get from all this is you just can't trust a dude whose parents spelled his name with an "i" instead of "y" to do anything right.

Urban Ag said:

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I agree, it was well written. And it's why I don't feel like I can really discuss SW here anymore because I (and others) are caught between two raging factions. The Disney Defenders on one side and the Lucas Destroyed my Childhood disorder types on the other.

I loved SW as a kid. A kid. And then something crazy happened about the time I entered high school in 1988. I started liking girls, partying, and sports more. A lot more. It wasn't until 1999 that I had some small interest peaked again in SW and then had it thoroughly crushed when my girlfriend, now wife, looks at me and says "god this is terrible" and all I could do was nod in horror as Jar Jar did something else that made me realize I timed the market right when I sold my SW toys in a nerd store in Dallas in 97.

Fast forward to the present. I was very enthusiastic for the new films. I absolutely love Rogue One. I thought Solo was really fun. I just don't really care for the new trilogy. With a couple of exceptions I don't find the characters or their stories intriguing. I find the actual story kind of lame. I find it irritating that so much intrigue and suspense was created only for one nothing burger after the other.

But I can't find common ground with the Lucas Destroyed my Childhood crowd because Lucas didn't destroy my childhood. He made it pretty damn awesome actually. And outside of the TPM, I don't categorically label the prequels as trash nor take any of the shortcomings personally. If I ever met Hayden Christiansen I'd buy the man some drinks and remind him the world is full of dewsh bags.

On the other hand, the Disney Defenders stand waiting to shout down any honest critiques about these films as being driven by knuckle draggin political motivations. No, I really didn't like Rose because she was lame, not because she's a girl or a minority. I'm not out to get Kathleen Kennedy, I just thought TLJ had a lame plot. Honestly, I don't want to be the unhappy fan and I didn't want Solo to tank, I took the whole damn family on opening night (with dinner that's like a car payment). I've never even been on Rotten Tomatoes.

You people have made this nearly impossible. Non angry rant over.

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this is everything in my head trying to read this thread sometimes. Well put Urban.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Rogue One.

Found it

EPISODE IX crawl

I'm starting to become a bit of an UrbanAg groupie.

He's kinda of like LB Coach in the football forum - I always find myself giving his posts stars.



B.E. Spilner, too for that matter.

Sex Panther said:

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If I hear what you are saying, and I'm pretty sure I do... I agree

Star Wars needs to pay Kevin Feige 75 million dollars

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I know this is a joke, but for as much as we compare Star Wars to Marvel, I don't think the Marvel model works for Star Wars. I think Star Wars needs a combination pure serials and the overarching trilogies/direct sequels, not a "cinematic universe" with a common narrative.

Marvel is all about movies rotating around a single gravitational pull they are inching toward until they collide in a huge event. First the establishment of the Avengers, then Infinity War. I don't think Star Wars should be built around these sorts of meta events.

The future of Star Wars is telling very different stories in that canon with familiar elements and characters. Some will be stand-alone and others will be two or three-film arcs, but I don't see building them over a few years to a central event.

I know this isn't entertainment, but it seems like Israel has now given everyone the blueprint on how to handle evil trolls

CJS4715 said:

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I know this isn't entertainment, but it seems like Israel has now given everyone the blueprint on how to handle evil trolls

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Boo, you Moor

Quote:

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Go Jews!



Edit: Should clarify I'm cheering them on and not asking them to leave the West Bank

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And this thread is now completely derailed. Great job team.

At this point, I feel like everything that can be said about this movie and our feelings of it has been said. Probably time to move all Star Wars talk back to the main thread anyway.

TCTTS said:

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01. The Empire Strikes Back
02. A New Hope
03. Solo: A Star Wars Story
04. Rogue One
05. Return of the Jedi
06. The Force Awakens
07. The Last Jedi
08. The Phantom Menace
09. Revenge of the Sith
10. Attack of the Clones

Someone please tell me... how is EVERYONE not hyped on this movie???

Because holy hell that was fantastic.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm pretty sure I now love the world of Star Wars more than I do Jedis and the Force and lightsabers. Give me this and Rogue One over TFA and TLJ all day long. Just keep the spin-offs coming... Solo 2, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett... whatever they've got coming down the pike, I'm there.

Seriously, the characters, the pacing, the twists, the turns, the sets, the cinemetography, the air-tightness of the script, the winks, the nods, the set ups, the payoffs... all of it was pitch perfect.

I truly do not understand how this is getting mediocre reviews. It's so... damn... fun. With great action. And it looks gorgeous. What's not to like? Even act one, which so many people are saying is clunky, was awesome. Losing the girl in the way he did, joining the Empire to get out of a pinch, Han's eagerness to be part of Beckett's crew, meeting Chewie (which was PERFECT)... I loved it all and every second of it served to anchor everything to come in just the right way.

I'm honestly at a loss. How is this not good enough for some people? Because this is how it's done. With just the right amount of humor, heart, and emotion, with an ending that so brilliantly calls back and ties up every last beat in thrilling, spot-on fashion.

Just... wow.

Give me Solo 2 now, please.

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Not sure I would put it above the prequels.

Here is one of my problems with the movie :

I wasnt sold on Han being Han. I watched this young "Han Solo" and tried my best to connect him to the Han I know. It was so forced. I really had a hard time doing it. Take out the blaster, Chewie, the dice, and some cheesy lines.....and I would have no idea that is Han Solo.

I started to blame myself for this....thinking that I was expecting too much. I know too much about old Han and I need to accept that this is the young Han.

And then Lando came on the screen. BAM!!! THAT was Lando. No cheesy lines needed. Just great acting and perfect version and vision of a young Lando.

Why couldnt they get that right with the main character?

Honestly, I almost felt the opposite. I love Glover and he did a great job, but ultimately it was clearly Glover doing an impression... and there were a couple times where that was painfully obvious. Ehrenreich, on the other hand, felt more like Chris Pine as Kirk. The spirit of the original was there in his performance, but he wasn't trying to do an impression, and thus came across as more natural and something that felt more his own.

I'm a Glover / Gambino fan. I was excited when he got cast as Lando. He did a good job, but I didn't think it was anything special like a lot seem to think. He didn't "steal the movie" or anything like that for me.

The #1 thing I worried about was not being Han was actually Han. I think Ehrenreich did an admirable job. I just think he was put in a damn near no-win situation. There needs to be something that happens in Solo 2 that makes him more jaded and even less trusting / a nice guy.

Philip J Fry said:

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Ditto. Felt like Glover was Lando and Ehrenreich was doing his best to impersonate Han. There were too many times in the movie where I just could not believe Han would speak or behave like I was seeing on screen.

Him shooting first though at the end made up for a lot of that bull**** though. I damn near wanted to stand and applause at that.

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i get that and actually don't disagree. Han, as we knew him before Solo, wouldn't have necessarily spoken or behaved like he did in Solo.

but that's actually why it worked for me. we actually get to see a little of how Han developed into the character we meet in ANH.

i liken it to Daniel Craig in Casino Royale.

I thought Ehrenreich was paying more attention to the demeanor and not really worrying about the accent, which is the right way to approach it. Glover was doing the (admittedly much more distinctive) Lando accent, but not that consistently.