Wow. Mind blown. Old Bill the malfunctioning bartender is Sir Guy of Gisbourne!

Was also in The Count of Monte Cristo!

i really hate this show is freakin over!

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TCTTS said:

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"I hate this thing that I was not forced to do, but spent ten hours doing anyway, and then b*tched about it online." = one of the many things I will never understand about the internet / humans.

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So, the parks exist as a pet project do the 2 of them to create an escape. But before it opens during Beta Testing Arnold discovers they've created AI and new 'life', but he's terrified of what may happen. So he creates a monster called Wyatt and uploads him into Delores and then sends her out to kill Errybody else and then him. To stop the creation. But his partner puts the pieces back together and creates fake Arnold, Bernard. So then they open the park and because "life will find a way" 2 of the Robots continue to become sentient.

Meanwhile some dude obsessed with the park discovers rumors of the maze, so he buys a majority stake to keep playing the game. The game that is there for the robkts, not humans. For the humans (of which we know nothing about their soceite) it's a theme park for ****ing and fighting and killing. So Arnold's (Dr Frankenstein) robots (monsters) slowly come alive and decide they can do as they please and kill both Hosts and Humans. Then delusional Ford wants to become a master of whatever and is leaving but he wants to transcend time like Mozart and Bach and become "the music" just as Arnold's monster asassinates him. And meanwhile the mob of broken and abused machines rises up as sky net goes online.

But they're still robots and the writers have attempted to make you care about the machines by showing how much inhumane abuse, rale, murder etc they've been through. Exactly what they were designed for. I don't feel bad about a car being a car.

Now the good Dr is dead and his monsters are roaming loose. Should we care? We k ow nothing of the outside or what it could mean. So in the end its just a big meh.

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Wow. Mind blown. Old Bill the malfunctioning bartender is Sir Guy of Gisbourne!

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Also the villain in the crow.

And cardinal richleius main henchmen in three musketeers

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Rather than trying to argue the merits of how we should care about the hosts, which is a complaint I've read before, that's your response?

I think it's natural to ask the question for why we should care about a character on the show. Especially when that character's plight is central to the plot of the show. I don't really care about or feel invested in the characters myself, but I find myself drawn to the layered plot of the show.

This isn't like GoT where I like or dislike characters, but rather I find that on this show I'm rather neutral towards them all.

Sounds like you and Logan would be BFFs.

jabberwalkie09 said:

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Rather than trying to argue the merits of how we should care about the hosts, which is a complaint I've read before, that's your response?

I think it's natural to ask the question for why we should care about a character on the show. Especially when that character's plight is central to the plot of the show. I don't really care about or feel invested in the characters myself, but I find myself drawn to the layered plot of the show.

This isn't like GoT where I like or dislike characters, but rather I find that on this show I'm rather neutral towards them all.

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He didn't ask any questions or debate the merits of it....he went on a long diatribe pointing out everything he thought was negative and ended with "should we care?"

His previous post about 4 before that said and I quote

"This **** is dumb".....and about the writers "they have failed completely"

You seriously think this guy is asking questions or interested in a serious discussion???????

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Rather than trying to argue the merits of how we should care about the hosts, which is a complaint I've read before, that's your response?

I think it's natural to ask the question for why we should care about a character on the show. Especially when that character's plight is central to the plot of the show. I don't really care about or feel invested in the characters myself, but I find myself drawn to the layered plot of the show.

This isn't like GoT where I like or dislike characters, but rather I find that on this show I'm rather neutral towards them all.

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He didn't ask any questions or debate the merits of it....he went on a long diatribe pointing out everything he thought was negative and ended with "should we care?"

His previous post about 4 before that said and I quote

"This **** is dumb".....and about the writers "they have failed completely"

You seriously think this guy is asking questions or interested in a serious discussion???????

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I read it, and rather than simply ignore the post you responded (and BeltonAg too now) to basically stop posting on the thread. You could have simply just not posted a response to his negative perception of the season, but you didn't.

And if you're going to post, why not engage him and try to persuade him to see your side if you do care about the characters?

Why is it that it's apparently acceptable to **** on a poster, but complaining about the show is not ok?

AlaskanAg99 said:

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Sorry to intrude on your groupthink. I must have missed the part where only glowing fan boy reviews and commentary were allowed. And I didn't insult anyone.

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I didn't say you insulted anyone.

And I didn't say only groupthink or positivity allowed. We have had plenty of good debate without your involvement.

The difference is - you are bringing nothing to the table - you're just spouting off your negativity and everything you hate about it. you aren't asking questions or debating the merits of it - the positives and negatives. you simply listed everything you hate and said "this **** is dumb"...thats not adding to the conversation in any way thats just drawing attention to yourself in a negative way and adds nothing.

Hell I personally had some early negative perceptions of the show early on (I called it LOST after episode 2 - saying the mysteries would never be unraveled and it would just be peeling the onion and i've been here before)...but I also stopped commenting about that...let it play out....and watched it for its other merits. I have applauded it for its performances and writing (i mean i think it is very deeply layered and they did a great job tying things together in the different timelines, etc.) and productions value. I haven't gotten all tied up in the mysteries (the maze for example) so i let others debate that. but i also didn't bog the thread down with my negativity on it. I engaged in discussions about the parts I'm interested in.

you just basically **** on the entire thing.

see the difference?

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Rather than trying to argue the merits of how we should care about the hosts, which is a complaint I've read before, that's your response?

I think it's natural to ask the question for why we should care about a character on the show. Especially when that character's plight is central to the plot of the show. I don't really care about or feel invested in the characters myself, but I find myself drawn to the layered plot of the show.

This isn't like GoT where I like or dislike characters, but rather I find that on this show I'm rather neutral towards them all.

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He didn't ask any questions or debate the merits of it....he went on a long diatribe pointing out everything he thought was negative and ended with "should we care?"

His previous post about 4 before that said and I quote

"This **** is dumb".....and about the writers "they have failed completely"

You seriously think this guy is asking questions or interested in a serious discussion???????

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I read it, and rather than simply ignore the post you responded (and BeltonAg too now) to basically stop posting on the thread. You could have simply just not posted a response to his negative perception of the season, but you didn't.

1. And if you're going to post, why not engage him and try to persuade him to see your side if you do care about the characters?

2. Why is it that it's apparently acceptable to **** on a poster, but complaining about the show is not ok?

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1. That's futile - seriously.

2. Complaining about the show is fine - but if ALL you are doing is complaining seriously why are you here??? Most people have some complaints, but also positive things. He has nothing but complaints. He has never said one thing positive about the show. Ever. Does that not strike you as odd. To hate a show so much but to post about it??? I mean there are 1000 shows on and I only post about the 4-5 I like a lot...I don't bother posting about shows I hate. I don't even bother with shows that I just find "ok". Why would I go to a thread (much less watch a show) that I hate just to go **** on that thread?????

This is a sci-fi series. In case you are confused:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction

"Science fiction (often shortened to sci-fi or scifi) is a genre of speculative fiction, typically dealing with imaginative concepts such as futuristic science and technology, space travel, time travel, faster than light travel, parallel universes, and extraterrestrial life. Science fiction often explores the potential consequences of scientific and other innovations, and has been called a "literature of ideas." "[1] It usually eschews the supernatural, and unlike the related genre of fantasy, historically science fiction stories were intended to have at least a faint grounding in science-based fact or theory at the time the story was created, but this connection has become tenuous or non-existent in much of science fiction.[2]"

If you don't like the genre I suggest you don't watch the show. I'm not particularly a big fan of historical period dramas, so I avoid shows like Downton Abbey. Even though it's highly rated and people who enjoy the genre seem to have good things to say about it, I probably wouldn't really become to attached to the characters.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Rather than trying to argue the merits of how we should care about the hosts, which is a complaint I've read before, that's your response?

I think it's natural to ask the question for why we should care about a character on the show. Especially when that character's plight is central to the plot of the show. I don't really care about or feel invested in the characters myself, but I find myself drawn to the layered plot of the show.

This isn't like GoT where I like or dislike characters, but rather I find that on this show I'm rather neutral towards them all.

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He didn't ask any questions or debate the merits of it....he went on a long diatribe pointing out everything he thought was negative and ended with "should we care?"

His previous post about 4 before that said and I quote

"This **** is dumb".....and about the writers "they have failed completely"

You seriously think this guy is asking questions or interested in a serious discussion???????

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I read it, and rather than simply ignore the post you responded (and BeltonAg too now) to basically stop posting on the thread. You could have simply just not posted a response to his negative perception of the season, but you didn't.

And if you're going to post, why not engage him and try to persuade him to see your side if you do care about the characters?

Why is it that it's apparently acceptable to **** on a poster, but complaining about the show is not ok?

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It's the second or third time around with this guy. My post was more of a response to his follow up about groupthink and fanboys. It's pretty clear that despite spending a considerable amount of time watching the show, he isn't interested in any kind of discussion.

There are plenty of posts in this thread from people who question certain things or may not have liked the direction of the show and a good discussion followed. That's cool, we don't all have to like it. This guy seems to have another motive.

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TCTTS said:

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"I hate this thing that I was not forced to do, but spent ten hours doing anyway, and then b*tched about it online." = one of the many things I will never understand about the internet / humans.

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So, the parks exist as a pet project do the 2 of them to create an escape. But before it opens during Beta Testing Arnold discovers they've created AI and new 'life', but he's terrified of what may happen. So he creates a monster called Wyatt and uploads him into Delores and then sends her out to kill Errybody else and then him. To stop the creation. But his partner puts the pieces back together and creates fake Arnold, Bernard. So then they open the park and because "life will find a way" 2 of the Robots continue to become sentient.

Meanwhile some dude obsessed with the park discovers rumors of the maze, so he buys a majority stake to keep playing the game. The game that is there for the robkts, not humans. For the humans (of which we know nothing about their soceite) it's a theme park for ****ing and fighting and killing. So Arnold's (Dr Frankenstein) robots (monsters) slowly come alive and decide they can do as they please and kill both Hosts and Humans. Then delusional Ford wants to become a master of whatever and is leaving but he wants to transcend time like Mozart and Bach and become "the music" just as Arnold's monster asassinates him. And meanwhile the mob of broken and abused machines rises up as sky net goes online.

But they're still robots and the writers have attempted to make you care about the machines by showing how much inhumane abuse, rale, murder etc they've been through. Exactly what they were designed for. I don't feel bad about a car being a car.

Now the good Dr is dead and his monsters are roaming loose. Should we care? We k ow nothing of the outside or what it could mean. So in the end its just a big meh.

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Putting aside the back and forth, that's a pretty good summary of the plot. I think things will get interesting once we discover what's going on outside of the park. That's what I am looking forward to discovering.

Me too. What's going on in the outside world and how does the park fit in? What are the company's true intentions with developing the host technology ?

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1. That's futile - seriously.

2. Complaining about the show is fine - but if ALL you are doing is complaining seriously why are you here??? Most people have some complaints, but also positive things. He has nothing but complaints. He has never said one thing positive about the show. Ever. Does that not strike you as odd. To hate a show so much but to post about it??? I mean there are 1000 shows on and I only post about the 4-5 I like a lot...I don't bother posting about shows I hate. I don't even bother with shows that I just find "ok". Why would I go to a thread (much less watch a show) that I hate just to go **** on that thread?????

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1) so don't even try to figure out the other posters position or why they are dissatisfied with the show, got it.

2) because some people like to be involved rather than left out. Not everyone posts like you do, and no it doesn't. I complained pretty hard about the last season on Arrow for example and was extremely negative about the season and show as a whole. Granted I think many shared my views, but that certainly didn't stop me from posting and complaining about it. Sometimes it's that people need to vent for some reason.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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1. That's futile - seriously.

2. Complaining about the show is fine - but if ALL you are doing is complaining seriously why are you here??? Most people have some complaints, but also positive things. He has nothing but complaints. He has never said one thing positive about the show. Ever. Does that not strike you as odd. To hate a show so much but to post about it??? I mean there are 1000 shows on and I only post about the 4-5 I like a lot...I don't bother posting about shows I hate. I don't even bother with shows that I just find "ok". Why would I go to a thread (much less watch a show) that I hate just to go **** on that thread?????

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1) so don't even try to figure out the other posters position or why they are dissatisfied with the show, got it.

2) because some people like to be involved rather than left out. Not everyone posts like you do, and no it doesn't. I complained pretty hard about the last season on Arrow for example and was extremely negative about the season and show as a whole. Granted I think many shared my views, but that certainly didn't stop me from posting and complaining about it. Sometimes it's that people need to vent for some reason.

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1. Not based on his previous comments no. But yes, I have and others have with other posters that have meaningful discussions.

PS - myself and Belton have not called out any other complainers. Like Belton said - this guy has been nothing but complaints and isn't interested in discussion. He doesn't ask questions or debate the merits at all. And he doesn't say anything positive or note what qualities keep him watching it.

2. That's also a little different - complaining about the LAST season of a show when you've been engaged and committed and involved for the entire run. Thats understandable and everyone has some buyin at that point. He has been crapping on this show/thread since it started and this is the first season. thats why I am questioning why he is still here. When you hate a show at the beginning - get out!!! Are you a masochist? Otherwise you are just being purposefully negative and obtuse and you actually like the show but just want to be that guy on the thread and thats BS too. His tone and language say otherwise.

What other motive? I have none. I love the HBO series, usually. I had very high hopes for this one when I read the writers had a 5 year story arc. To me that means they did a helluva jb selling the show and there's some fantastic writing. First half of S1 felt rushed and in a very convoluted "Lost" manner of jumbled storytelling. And a lot of the plot points are rehashed other stories. Dr Frankenstein with his monster going loose, the downtrodden/abused/slaves for which they try to build empathy for them. But the issue is the setting. It's not like society as a whole is abusing this 'class' of people. The setting is an amusement park where they are supposed to be used for the viseral enjoyment of paying guests. I think that distinction is where I can't connect with the storyline. We know nothing about the state of society as a whole, only that rich dbags can afford to come in and play make beleieve with the robots in a safe space where the people can't get hurt by the park toys.

Then it goes off the raise with the internal fighting of the operators. And when Maeve goes rogue, activates 2 murder bots and somehow they're killing all the security on level 2 with alarms going off yet they take an escalator and elevator to the main floor where people are drinking tea?

Huh? They have giant bullet proof glass security gates to secure areas but when the alarms are going off they don't shut down the elevators?

And meanwhile one of the main owners can't simply ask Ford what the maze is.

I loved the premise but it went off the rails quick. The ony real interesting surprise was the reveal of East World.

So I stuck it out for a season to see where things ended up, and it was disappointing. Because who's going to come to a park with murder bots? We don't know if everyone was killed but it's going to be hard to explain who's now running the park. Or will the bots enter the real world?

If I told you that I thought that I hated both Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead but gave them both a season or two because of all the hype they got, would that surprise you? Seriously, didn't like either one.

This show generated a lot of buzz and developed a pretty good following. I don't see what the problem is when someone watched the season to try and understand, and essentially gave an embittered exit interview upon completion.

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If I told you that I thought that I hated both Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead but gave them both a season or two because of all the hype they got, would that surprise you? Seriously, didn't like either one.

This show generated a lot of buzz and developed a pretty good following. I don't see what the problem is when someone watched the season to try and understand, and essentially gave an embittered exit interview upon completion.

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Did you crap on the show threads - during and after?

And by the way ditto for The Walking Dead - I hate that show stopped watching in the middle of season 1 - I never ever posted on the show thread....not ONCE.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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If I told you that I thought that I hated both Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead but gave them both a season or two because of all the hype they got, would that surprise you? Seriously, didn't like either one.

This show generated a lot of buzz and developed a pretty good following. I don't see what the problem is when someone watched the season to try and understand, and essentially gave an embittered exit interview upon completion.

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Did you crap on the show threads - during and after?

And by the way ditto for The Walking Dead - I hate that show stopped watching in the middle of season 1 - I never ever posted on the show thread....not ONCE.

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On their threads? Nope, because I was seasons behind everyone else and watched them on Netflix. I do however mention that they're both overhyped shows that were pretty meh most of the time.

Designated Survivor this season I crapped on before quitting the show. Only reason I gave that show a chance at all was Sutherland. I crapped all over BvS too, never saw Suicide Squad but I would probably have done the same.

And again, just because you didn't post on those threads how unhappy with the show you were, doesn't mean someone else can't or won't.

My biggest complaint with the show is, do the host go to the bathroom? I mean, they're programmed to think they're human. Do they ever wonder why all these other humans have to go take a crap or a piss but they never do? I mean, even just 24 hours before they are reset they should have to piss at least a few times.

These are the questions that keep bugging me and keep me from truly enjoying the show!

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My biggest complaint with the show is, do the host go to the bathroom? I mean, they're programmed to think they're human. Do they ever wonder why all these other humans have to go take a crap or a piss but they never do? I mean, even just 24 hours before they are reset they should have to piss at least a few times.

These are the questions that keep bugging me and keep me from truly enjoying the show!

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lol.

i think the simple answer is they are programmed to ignore the differences between themselves and humans.

if they can be programmed not to see certain things (doors, people in photographs) then surely they can be programmed to never question their own lack of a need to go to the bathroom. it could be so simple as to if the situation ever comes up or the question the programmed answer/response is simply always "i don't have to go right now".